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Old 02-15-2020, 05:21 PM   #1
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Default Looking for an 8-channel control surface (Artist Mix, Icon M+)

I am currently using a Faderport 1, which works very good, but I would like to have eight faders in a small footprint. The Icon M+ looks very good, but I am a little concerned about quality. The most important factor for me is fader quality and at this point I would be willing to drop the 1k Avid asks for the Artist Mix (despite of the lack of transport control).
So I looked around and found out that it is not as easy as one would think (of course). I found some Youtube videos where it seems to work, some threads here in the forum where it kind of works, or doesn't work or may work in the future... I am completely lost. Then there is this 120 pages CSI thread that started a gazillion years ago and just confuses me even more.

I am looking for the bare minimum: high quality faders, solo, mute, automation mode control and the name display should be functioning. Transport control would be optimal as well as a button for the mix window. I ruled out Faderport 8 (size) and X-Touch (size, plastic fantastic). Any suggestions would be much appreciated.
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Old 02-16-2020, 12:22 AM   #2
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WHOA, major idea: I could keep the Faderport for Transport and use it in conjunction with the Artist Mix. Would that be possible would they somehow get in the way of each other?
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Old 02-16-2020, 03:46 AM   #3
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WHOA, major idea: I could keep the Faderport for Transport and use it in conjunction with the Artist Mix. Would that be possible would they somehow get in the way of each other?
In theory, this combination should work.

Comparable to a controller + extender.

Don´t know how Reaper interacts with the ArtistMix though.

I guess CSI (on page 166 now), is, although confusing at the present state of its development, your best bet; CSI approaches beta-state and the pre-made protocols, for instance concerning MCU, are already giving good function.
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Old 02-16-2020, 06:02 AM   #4
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Thanks!
I would just try it out, but the ArtistMix is a little expensive for that. I could get a really good used one right now and am extremely tempted to simply take it, but I want to make sure that it will at least give me the core functionality.
Did someone make it work? What are the downsides?
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Old 02-16-2020, 06:02 AM   #5
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WHOA, major idea: I could keep the Faderport for Transport and use it in conjunction with the Artist Mix. Would that be possible would they somehow get in the way of each other?
They won't get in the way, I currently use CSI with this setup here:

2 x Artist Mix -- EuCon protocol
1 x Softube Console 1 -- Midi protocol
1 x Novation Launchpad mini MK3 with RGB support -- Midi protocol
1 x iPhone -- OSC protocol
1 x iPad -- OSC protocol

That's what CSI is all about -- integrating control surfaces
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Old 02-16-2020, 06:05 AM   #6
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Thanks!
I would just try it out, but the ArtistMix is a little expensive for that. I could get a really good used one right now and am extremely tempted to simply take it, but I want to make sure that it will at least give me the core functionality.
Did someone make it work? What are the downsides?
They were out of production as of Oct 31, 2019, end of life is 2024, so a good used one is the way to go
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Old 02-16-2020, 06:13 AM   #7
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Oh, very cool Geoff!
Does everything work (incl. the display and metering)? And most importantly: do the faders behave like they’re supposed to, or are they slow/jittery?
Last question: is a Reaper update likely to break the functionality, as I understand this is all not „official“?
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Oh, very cool Geoff!
Does everything work (incl. the display and metering)? And most importantly: do the faders behave like they’re supposed to, or are they slow/jittery?
Last question: is a Reaper update likely to break the functionality, as I understand this is all not „official“?
The CSI EuCon support is a work in progress (about 2 months young) -- faders, displays all work, as do Pan/PanWidth, Sends and FX are next up on the list.

Here's a demo from a couple of years back with the Artists in Mackie Mode, it's as fast or faster with EuCon mode

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ravhFzHcYKI&t=19s

Here's one from last summer but (without the Launchpad):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byqW...ature=youtu.be
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I have the feeling you like controllers! Thanks so much, I will get the ArtistMix! Then I‘ll annoy you about installing CSI
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I will get the ArtistMix today after work. YES!
I already installed CSI and had a look around. In the setup video there is already an ArtistMix mst in the surfaces folder. The current version doesn’t include that, can I get it somewhere? And do I actually have to install anything from Avid (like their Eucon driver) or is CSI the only thing I need?

EXCITEMENT

Edit: I see! I’ll probably have to add it as EuConSurface.

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I will get the ArtistMix today after work. YES!
I already installed CSI and had a look around. In the setup video there is already an ArtistMix mst in the surfaces folder. The current version doesn’t include that, can I get it somewhere? And do I actually have to install anything from Avid (like their Eucon driver) or is CSI the only thing I need?

EXCITEMENT
1) You must add the eucon dll/dylib to the same location as the CSI dll/dylib.

2) You don't need an .mst anymore, just set it up as a EuCon in CSI -- AND THEN -- install eucon in general control surfaces panel.

Haha cross post edit -- yes you are right.
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1) You must add the eucon dll/dylib to the same location as the CSI dll/dylib.
Just to be clear (sorry for being dumb, trying to wrap my head around this): I install Avids Eucon driver, I add your Eucon dll to the CSI folder, I create the Eucon Surface, I add the Eucon surface to surface prefs?

Can the Faderport just stay as is, or do I have to assign Midi channels or anything like that?
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Just to be clear (sorry for being dumb, trying to wrap my head around this): I install Avids Eucon driver, I add your Eucon dll to the CSI folder, I create the Eucon Surface, I add the Eucon surface to surface prefs?
Install EuControl.

Make sure your surface shows up in EuControl.

You have already installed base CSI, so you're good to go there

Add the reaper_csurf_EuCon dll to the same location as the reaper_csurf_integrator dll.

Go to Control Surface Integrator panel and add a EuCon -- the defaults are fine for now.

Go back to the Control/OSC/Web select and add EuCon.


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Can the Faderport just stay as is, or do I have to assign Midi channels or anything like that?
You should be able to leave the Faderport alone.
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Install EuControl.

Make sure your surface shows up in EuControl.

You have already installed base CSI, so you're good to go there

Add the reaper_csurf_EuCon dll to the same location as the reaper_csurf_integrator dll.

Go to Control Surface Integrator panel and add a EuCon -- the defaults are fine for now.

Go back to the Control/OSC/Web select and add EuCon.
It seemed to work at first, but as soon as I drag and dropped some audio files in to Reaper I can the surface only sees 8 tracks. The bank buttons do nothing. When I select some tracks with the mouse the surface sees them but looses the tracks before the selected one. I hope can get it to work as THIS. IS. AWESOOOME!
Oh it also won’t adjust the fader level to the actual level of some tracks, but not all. Hmm...

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It seemed to work at first, but as soon as I drag and dropped some audio files in to Reaper I can the surface only sees 8 tracks. The bank buttons do nothing. When I select some tracks with the mouse the surface sees them but looses the tracks before the selected one. I hope can get it to work as THIS. IS. AWESOOOME!
Oh it also won’t adjust the fader level to the actual level of some tracks, but not all. Hmm...
You will want to use the bank buttons on the Faderport, not the ones on the Mix.

Sounds like the config is a bit off, please post the contents of your CSI.ini file.
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