Custom order for named notes in MIDI editor

[dug dog]

mpl said he could build a big chunk of the functionality but he needs a bit of help from someone with JSFX know how. Perhaps we should post a request for this assistance in the JSFX sub forum.

[AXP]

Originally Posted by mpl

First of all, I`d say, it IS possible.
I see a possible workaround for this, but I need some JSFX help here.

What I dig so far:
1) I can build a GUI which allow to drag/move notes around piano roll to quickly remap them (so the note names also moved in piano roll to whatever position you prefer)
2) also I can build something which load custom mapping Lokasenna suggested here
3) sort notes alphabetically in piano roll, move section of notes with custom name to whatever position in pianoroll etc

What I need from JSFX side:
MIDI JSFX with 20 sliders with 0-9 digits. When initialize @slider it takes a 20-digits integer from sliders, convert it to hex and crop for 2-letter hex numbers represent current mapping. Then generate mapping table from this once it is loaded. Blank mapping in this case will look like this:



which is 8681104427521506943 19-digit integer supposed to be sent/splitted to requested JSFX sliders from ReaScript. Theoretical script I can build will set values for this JSFX plugin, then rename notes accordingly in piano roll for selected tracks (piano roll note names is per track setting).

Any thoughs here?

If it is still relevant, I may try to help.

[TheWhistler]

Originally Posted by AXP

If it is still relevant, I may try to help.

It is, it is, it is......super relevant

[dug dog]

Definitely still relevant to some users.
My chosen "work around" is still cumbersome at best.
I'm sad to say that I started looking for a different DAW.

[TheWhistler]

Originally Posted by dug dog

I'm sad to say that I started looking for a different DAW.

I can live with the limitations but knowing there might be a chance that it could be changing....wonderful...

BTW: I had a session with a friend of mine working in Ableton Live. I was glad to come back to Reaper.

[dug dog]

I certainly don't want to leave Reaper.
I thought, maybe, I could write my drum parts in some other DAW and link them together somehow.

[vlig]

I started using Arturia BeatStep to write my Addictive Drums 2 parties instead of endless mouse romp. I've set up drum map in AD2 for easy play and recorded some stuff. Then, I renamed used notes, because former became irrelevant. In MIDI editor I saw then a sad sight:
...
(52)
Cymbal 3
Cymbal 2
Tom 3 Open Hit
Tom 2 Open Hit
Tom 1 Open Hit
Ride 1 Bell
HH Closed Shaft
Cymbal 1
Cymbal 5
Cymbal 4
Tom 4 Open Hit
Snare RimShot
Snare Open Hit
Ride 1 Tip
HH Open B
Kick
(35)
...
That's not I'd like to see. I tried to use some Reaper's JS MIDI stuff to remap notes, but it CAN'T REMAP AFTERTOUCH (to choke cymbals in AD2). It's making me sick >_<

Please, PLEASE add an opportunity to just REORGANIZE notes order...

[wjmwpg]

+1


Just another voice calling for this feature.

[Trogdor]

I would like to see this as well. I’m surprised that we are at version 6 and this still has not been implemented. The MIDI editor really needs more love very badly.

[torreznor]

Originally Posted by Trogdor

I would like to see this as well. I’m surprised that we are at version 6 and this still has not been implemented. The MIDI editor really needs more love very badly.

I agree with this wholeheartedly! I can´t understand how Reaper hasn´t fixed this issue yet. I´m not a coder myself so excuse me if I´m wrong, but this feature can´t be that hard to implement. The only thing needed is to be able to move around the pitches in the graphical interface, no re routing necessary. Cubase is a good reference for this. I rely heavily on programmed drums and I can´t use Reaper because of this.

Pretty please!!!

[Trogdor]

Originally Posted by torreznor

I agree with this wholeheartedly! I can´t understand how Reaper hasn´t fixed this issue yet. I´m not a coder myself so excuse me if I´m wrong, but this feature can´t be that hard to implement. The only thing needed is to be able to move around the pitches in the graphical interface, no re routing necessary. Cubase is a good reference for this. I rely heavily on programmed drums and I can´t use Reaper because of this.

Pretty please!!!

I agree. this cannot be very hard to implement. Cubase should be the standard for MIDI that we would all want. The features are there that can do it all really. I'm contemplating to get Cubase just for the MIDI as Reaper is not cutting it there. If they could make it as flexible as Cubase or even pretty close, then Reaper would be pretty darn kick ass.

[torreznor]

There are so many good ideas in the Superior Drummer 3 MIDI editor:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cd74OpHtIPI

[dug dog]

Originally Posted by torreznor

There are so many good ideas in the Superior Drummer 3 MIDI editor

I was hoping that I'd be able to edit my drum MIDI in the SD3 program interface while all of my corresponding recorded audio played in Reaper, but I couldn't figure out a way to have Superior take control of the Reaper Transport (stop/play) and edit cursor placement.

[torreznor]

Originally Posted by dug dog

but I couldn't figure out a way to have Superior take control of the Reaper Transport (stop/play) and edit cursor placement.

I don't think that's possible. If you could edit your drums comfortably in Reaper you wouldn't need that.

[sager]

any news about this?

[torreznor]

Originally Posted by sager

any news about this?

No changes I'm afraid...

[benf]

+1 for that FR.

[Delucci]

+20
That's the only thing left for Reaper to be perfect to me
(well, almost)

[thevisi0nary]

+1 this would be great.

[dug dog]

This post is from page 1 of this thread (about 2 1/2 years ago.) Perhaps it warrants further investion. Maybe some sort of collaborative effort... I don't have time to quarterback it right now, though.

Originally Posted by mpl

First of all, I`d say, it IS possible.
I see a possible workaround for this, but I need some JSFX help here.

What I dig so far:
1) I can build a GUI which allow to drag/move notes around piano roll to quickly remap them (so the note names also moved in piano roll to whatever position you prefer)
2) also I can build something which load custom mapping Lokasenna suggested here
3) sort notes alphabetically in piano roll, move section of notes with custom name to whatever position in pianoroll etc

What I need from JSFX side:
MIDI JSFX with 20 sliders with 0-9 digits. When initialize @slider it takes a 20-digits integer from sliders, convert it to hex and crop for 2-letter hex numbers represent current mapping. Then generate mapping table from this once it is loaded. Blank mapping in this case will look like this:



which is 8681104427521506943 19-digit integer supposed to be sent/splitted to requested JSFX sliders from ReaScript. Theoretical script I can build will set values for this JSFX plugin, then rename notes accordingly in piano roll for selected tracks (piano roll note names is per track setting).

Any thoughs here?

[Trogdor]

Originally Posted by dug dog

I was hoping that I'd be able to edit my drum MIDI in the SD3 program interface while all of my corresponding recorded audio played in Reaper, but I couldn't figure out a way to have Superior take control of the Reaper Transport (stop/play) and edit cursor placement.

Hmmm interesting because I see that Cubase transport follows along with it when you have the follow host button is clicked.

Just a small bump! Please?!

[dug dog]

I'm not particularly knowledgeable in the Cubase department, but I had a go with Cubase Essentials yesterday and, from what I could see, Superior Drummer behaved the same way as it does in Reaper. Perhaps I'm missing something.

With, "follow host" engaged, the Superior transport follows Cubase, but not the other way 'round.

I had hoped that Toontrack might make SD compatible with Rewire, in which case, Reaper could be set up as a slave, but it was stated in the T'track forums that no such plans are in place.

[Trogdor]

Originally Posted by dug dog

I'm not particularly knowledgeable in the Cubase department, but I had a go with Cubase Essentials yesterday and, from what I could see, Superior Drummer behaved the same way as it does in Reaper. Perhaps I'm missing something.

With, "follow host" engaged, the Superior transport follows Cubase, but not the other way 'round.

I had hoped that Toontrack might make SD compatible with Rewire, in which case, Reaper could be set up as a slave, but it was stated in the T'track forums that no such plans are in place.

I think the idea is to use the DAW host transport and such for all of the moving around the project. So when the follow host button is pressed in SD3, it follows the host and not the other way around.

[dug dog]

Yes. That's what "Follow Host" is intended to do, but you said:

Originally Posted by Trogdor

I see that Cubase transport follows along with it when you have the follow host button is clicked.

That's what I was trying to clarify.

There is a long thread going about an Articulation Manager for MIDI instruments. The thread/project was started in 2016 ago but is still active and, in one of the earliest posts in that thread, there was talk about using it for drum mapping as well. I haven't yet read through the whole thread but am hopeful that it might give us what we're looking for.

Here's the thread: https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=185304

[nofish]

Requested feature appeared in the today's pre-release version, so all interested may want to check it out (and give feedback).

[dug dog]

Originally Posted by nofish

Requested feature appeared in the today's pre-release version

I am absolutely thrilled by this news!

[luiza177]

I really can't wait for this feature. It's probably the main reason I don't use Reaper as my main DAW. I see it isn't part of the release candidates, so I guess we'll have to wait a little longer.

I did check out the dev build, and wasn't able to get it to work. Was this something you necessarily needed to use the .txt?

[tra]

Bump for this feature. Has it been worked out yet? I'm in the latest version and can't figure it out.

[dug dog]

Still in the early stage of development, it seems.

[gofer]

Originally Posted by dug dog

Still in the early stage of development, it seems.

Depends on how far/deep they want to go with it. Note reordering as such already works in the dev releases. There’s nothing else to it yet, such as map to channels or colors or solo/mute.
Alas, there is not much discussion going on to push it further. I‘d like to see everyone interested in this feature head over there and motivate the devs with their ideas on how it could be improved and built upon. (Boy, the folder/groups thing in the SD3 vid is rad!)

[dug dog]

Originally Posted by gofer

I‘d like to see everyone interested in this feature head over there and motivate the devs with their ideas on how it could be improved and built upon. (Boy, the folder/groups thing in the SD3 vid is rad!)

I went over and did just that.

I'm surprised that more users aren't interested in this feature.

[zacki]

Originally Posted by gofer

There’s nothing else to it yet, such as map to channels or colors or solo/mute.

Definitly! Please Devs, go for it. Mapping, colors, solo, mute... I'm doing a lot of drum programming and a little love to this would be very welcome!

[Johnny Rico]

I'm looking forward this too !

I'd love to rearrange row as I want AND hide some notes/drum parts super fast (switching from ONLY cymbals to ONLY tom/ONLY snares/only kick...)

[benqbasic]

Is there a FR for this? Would be very handy if they copied how Superior drummer does it with the ability to roll up sets of midi notes

[dug dog]

You can reorder MIDI note names in the MIDI editor. I can't find the details at the moment (and don't remember when this feature was added) but I think it's CTRL (CMD) + left drag on a note name to move it around. Very handy.

There was some info about this feature on the Reaper Blog, but I can't find it at the mo'.

[liperli]

+1 for the continued development and hopefully eventual full integration of this - would be so helpful!

[Derjayger]

+1
This would be fantastic.

[stillshaded]

this would be great

[EpicSounds]

for those commenting in 2022, do you know custom named note order was added in 6.37 a full year ago?

https://reaperblog.net/2021/10/637-update/

[luiza177]

Originally Posted by zacki

Definitly! Please Devs, go for it. Mapping, colors, solo, mute... I'm doing a lot of drum programming and a little love to this would be very welcome!

This sounds amazing, especially color coding. S1 has it and it really helps. Another thing that would be great is the ability of only seeing the velocities for the currently selected note, like Cubase does with its drum maps.