Old 09-28-2022, 07:27 AM   #1
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Default Distorted guitars sound phasey

I recorded lots of guitar tracks from a Marshall MG 100 watt head + a 4x12 cabinet.

Used just an sm58 as microphone, straight to one speaker.

It doesn't matter if I record a distortion pedal thru the clean channel or I use the distortion of the head, my tracks sound phasey during guitar chords.

The room is no reflecting (lots of absorbers, it is a practice space).

I'm starting to think it is something guitar related.

That phasey effect is located in the 1 KHz - 1.5 KHz zone.

Does anyone ever experienced the same effect?
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Old 09-28-2022, 11:26 AM   #2
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If you record a bunch of the same parts with the same sound, yea you'll have that. It's just like if you duplicate a sound and move it a little, they two will have a bunch of null points.

Trick is to use a different guitar/amp. Then you build up the sound with different waveforms, instead of very similar ones, which can start to produce that unpleasant comb filtering.

You can also try panning the guitars away from each other. Many many recordings feature double tracked guitars, hard-panned L and R.

Another thing to try is to overdub a part with a similar part, but in a higher register. This lends to nice big stereo sound with less risk of phasing and less need for lots of overdubs.
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If you record a bunch of the same parts with the same sound, yea you'll have that. It's just like if you duplicate a sound and move it a little, they two will have a bunch of null points.

Trick is to use a different guitar/amp. Then you build up the sound with different waveforms, instead of very similar ones, which can start to produce that unpleasant comb filtering.

You can also try panning the guitars away from each other. Many many recordings feature double tracked guitars, hard-panned L and R.

Another thing to try is to overdub a part with a similar part, but in a higher register. This lends to nice big stereo sound with less risk of phasing and less need for lots of overdubs.
Nope. I'm hearing that strange phasy distortion on single tracks recorded by one dynamic mic straight to one speaker.

I don't know where to start. Maybe guitar intonation is making strange artifacts playing distorted chords (beats for example)
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My guess: it's just the cab. Some cabs, combined with distorted signals, indeed sound hollow/phasey. Especially Orange are among the very weird ones, but they may sound "right" in the context of a mix. Marshall totally depends on the head (I don't know the MG, sorry).

Where ‒ if you remember ‒ exactly did you point the mic at? Most forgiving probably would be the edge of the cone, but again: if the overall tone of the guitar/amp doesn't play right with the loudspeaker, there's nothing you can do.
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My guess: it's just the cab. Some cabs, combined with distorted signals, indeed sound hollow/phasey. Especially Orange are among the very weird ones, but they may sound "right" in the context of a mix. Marshall totally depends on the head (I don't know the MG, sorry).

Where ‒ if you remember ‒ exactly did you point the mic at? Most forgiving probably would be the edge of the cone, but again: if the overall tone of the guitar/amp doesn't play right with the loudspeaker, there's nothing you can do.
I pointed the mic in different spots.

Usually near the border or straight to the center.

Result are the same.

Wobble sound during chords (power chords mostly)

Can you please describe me the kind of artifacts you met on those cabs?

I could live in peace knowing that sometimes the cab is the answer.

The phase relationship between the recorded speaker and the closest is also very interesting.

I'm assuming that reflections are very small because of the ambience (very absorbent, roof and ground too).
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I pointed the mic in different spots.
Usually near the border or straight to the center.
Result are the same.
Wobble sound during chords (power chords mostly)
Can you please describe me the kind of artifacts you met on those cabs?
I could live in peace knowing that sometimes the cab is the answer.
The phase relationship between the recorded speaker and the closest is also very interesting.
I'm assuming that reflections are very small because of the ambience (very absorbent, roof and ground too).
Re: cabs - your example doesn't sound like the effect I experienced with "mismatched" amps and cabs. The artifacts I'm referring to are probably much closer related to "contradictory/opposed voicings" of amp/distortion timbre and the range and sweet spots of particular speakers and cabinets. "Hollow" is what I usually use for a term. Yours isn't.

That said: as others also pointed out, your tone is not phasey to my ears. I hear a buildup in the bass/low mids (can't download and analyze, I guess around 180-220Hz), which might be caused by a reflecting boundary, most likely the floor?* Could as well be your settings if the room is not as neutral as you think it is.
What does it sound like if you really stick the mic as close to the grill as possible, upper pair of speakers (and remove the mic basket with a 58)?

* I totally get that the tone is supposed to be somewhat bassy, but your recording is nothing you couldn't EQ the way you want it in a mix. It needs - for my taste at least - some definition in the presence area and a tighter, not less, bottom end. Maybe also a slight boost in the "meat mids".
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Nope. I'm hearing that strange phasy distortion on single tracks recorded by one dynamic mic straight to one speaker.
Seriously? And only once you've recorded it? I wonder if one of the speakers is wired opposite of the other ones? Is that even a thing? If your amp has variable impedance, could you disconnect all but one speaker?
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Old 09-28-2022, 02:01 PM   #8
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I don't know where to start. Maybe guitar intonation is making strange artifacts playing distorted chords (beats for example)
Probably best if you post a sample we can hear.

Based your comment above though, assuming it is intonated properly, if it is making beats/out of tune sounds on the Low E and A strings during a power chord for example, especially 5th fret and above, the pickups are too high and pulling the larger strings out of tune when you fret. Since we don't have a sample though, most of us are just guessing.
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Probably best if you post a sample we can hear.

Based your comment above though, assuming it is intonated properly, if it is making beats/out of tune sounds on the Low E and A strings during a power chord for example, especially 5th fret and above, the pickups are too high and pulling the larger strings out of tune when you fret. Since we don't have a sample though, most of us are just guessing.
Here are the samples.

Focus on the transitions to the chords.

I hear a wobble digital-like sound.

Raw tracks - no processing.


https://www.4shared.com/folder/HkGdyoOZ/_online.html
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Well they sound like normal guitar tracks to me. Whatever you're hearing, I doubt it's going to matter in a mix.
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