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Old 03-21-2019, 09:34 AM   #1
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Default Can someone please help me with sidechaining...

Ok, I am at my wits end with it so I am asking here.

I think of myself as a person that catches onto most things quickly but like anyone, I hit obstacles and plateaus that require a little help from time to time. This seems silly because sidechaining is often said to be really easy and it also seems easy but for some reason, I am struggling mightily.

Here's what I am trying to do:

I run Superior drummer on one track rather than routing it out. I do this for now because I like working with the SD3 presets. I want to sidechain compression on the bass guitar with the SD3 kick drum.

I tried copying the kick drum midi notes, running them in reasamplomatic, turning that into a wav. file and then using that file to trigger the compressor on the bass. Seems like it SHOULD work but it doesn't.

Could someone perhaps explain how I might accomplish this without having to route the kit out to a bunch of tracks?

Thank you in advance!
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Old 03-21-2019, 09:41 AM   #2
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Ok, I am at my wits end with it so I am asking here.

I think of myself as a person that catches onto most things quickly but like anyone, I hit obstacles and plateaus that require a little help from time to time. This seems silly because sidechaining is often said to be really easy and it also seems easy but for some reason, I am struggling mightily.

Here's what I am trying to do:

I run Superior drummer on one track rather than routing it out. I do this for now because I like working with the SD3 presets. I want to sidechain compression on the bass guitar with the SD3 kick drum.

I tried copying the kick drum midi notes, running them in reasamplomatic, turning that into a wav. file and then using that file to trigger the compressor on the bass. Seems like it SHOULD work but it doesn't.

Could someone perhaps explain how I might accomplish this without having to route the kit out to a bunch of tracks?

Thank you in advance!
A simpler alternative might be to send the entire SD3 track to your bass and use ReaComp's filter to make it only listen to the low content.

- Create SD3 track.
- Create bass track.
- Create a send from channels 1/2 on the SD3 track to channels 3/4 on the bass track.
- Add ReaComp to the bass track.
- Set ReaComp's Detector Input to "Auxiliary Input L+R"

At this point you should be able to hit play, mess with the threshold and ratio, and see/hear the bass being ducked by the entire drum kit.

- Solo the bass track
- Click "Preview Filter" in ReaComp (under the output sliders)
- Press play - you should hear just the drum kit
- Bring down the Lowpass slider for ReaComp's detector
- As you pull it down, it should be affecting the drum sound you hear
- Keep going until all you can really hear is the kick (and maybe a bit of the toms)
- Turn off "Preview Filter"

You should now have the bass being ducked only by the kick.
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Old 03-23-2019, 06:55 AM   #3
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I will give this a shot today!! Thanks!!!
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Old 03-24-2019, 05:21 AM   #4
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1. In your drums plugin, route the kick to channels 3-4
2. Add any fx in the end of fx chain (e.g. reaEQ)
3. Click on "2 in 2 out" button in the upper right corner
4. Set it like this:

5. Add send to the bass track, from ch. 3-4 to bass 3-4:

6. Make usual sidechain setup in the bass ReaComp (aux input etc)

Now you'll hear all drums in one track, 1-2 channels, and have sidechain pumping on the bass.
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Old 03-24-2019, 11:18 AM   #5
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https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=200136

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Old 03-24-2019, 12:26 PM   #6
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^^ This is incorrect. ReaEQ is only sending on 1/2, and the sidechain is listening on 3/4.
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That's the point. ReaEq here is not for send, but to combine 3\4 with 1\2. so we can hear it on one track. 3\4 is combined in ReaEQ AND still send trough fx bypass to bass track in parallel.
Op wants to have one track for drums (so kick must be heard on this track), and to send the kick to bass. This is exactly what it does.
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Old 03-24-2019, 01:03 PM   #7
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Ok I didn't read it clearly. I though you were posting an example of simple sidechaining.
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Old 04-01-2019, 08:32 PM   #8
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more ways to skin the cat:

On your SD track, set to exclusive solo, go into the midi and select all the kick drum notes and mute them...
then do a render to audio of the SD track and have the render dialog add it as a new track to the project...

OK then go back to the midi notes, un mute the kick but keep it selected,
run the action to invert the selected notes.... so you'll get all the other notes... so mute them... and render that to another track...

don't forger to unmute the midi and return it to it's original state

OK now you should have the audio of all the drums as two audio files
one being the kick that you can use for the side chaining
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Old 04-02-2019, 06:24 AM   #9
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Just wondering, why does wanting to work with the SD3 presets force you not to do multi-out routing?
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