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05-05-2009, 01:49 AM
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No MIDI learn on vol, sends, pan?
Im still wondering why the volume faders (and pan, mute, sends) dont have any midi learn function.
Would be sooo easy , touch it - right mouse button: learn - thats it. Why not?
The actions only give you the option to set it for a fixed track - not for individual project. That makes no sense at all because evry project is different.
And i cant change it every time when loading an other project.
The sends: is it possible that the sends cannot be contolled via midi????? (hope im wrong)
I just want to load a project and have all my Volume (pan sends..) faders assigned. Or not??? Am i wrong? Does it make sense as it is now?
There is a learn option for every knob on every plug in - even parameter modulation with a single click !!! And im not able so set the volume fader of track 35 to my contoller - only by actions.
(what about parameter moulation on vol, pan ect...? a nice Lfo on the pan would be great sometimes)
Ok i hope im completly wrong and all that is already possible.
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05-05-2009, 03:26 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by reaperdeeper
Im still wondering why the volume faders (and pan, mute, sends) dont have any midi learn function.
Would be sooo easy , touch it - right mouse button: learn - thats it. Why not?
The actions only give you the option to set it for a fixed track - not for individual project. That makes no sense at all because evry project is different.
And i cant change it every time when loading an other project.
The sends: is it possible that the sends cannot be contolled via midi????? (hope im wrong)
I just want to load a project and have all my Volume (pan sends..) faders assigned. Or not??? Am i wrong? Does it make sense as it is now?
There is a learn option for every knob on every plug in - even parameter modulation with a single click !!! And im not able so set the volume fader of track 35 to my contoller - only by actions.
(what about parameter moulation on vol, pan ect...? a nice Lfo on the pan would be great sometimes)
Ok i hope im completly wrong and all that is already possible.
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It is indeed the case that pan/volume/mute/solo/... can only be controlled by actions, not by a rightclick learn function. I have put forward some other F/Rs for this as well. But to no avail....
I am not sure about sends i.e. whether they can be controlled by midi...i sure hope so
Yves
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05-05-2009, 03:31 AM
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05-05-2009, 03:40 AM
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big big +1 !
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05-05-2009, 03:53 AM
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+1..........
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05-05-2009, 10:30 AM
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+ 54 !
(i have requested that so often)
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05-07-2009, 12:36 AM
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Other thing is : when the are assigend by actions - and you move a track or insert a track , the track order is changing - but the assigend controller stays on the same track number. This just cannot be!!!!
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05-07-2009, 01:11 AM
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05-07-2009, 01:36 AM
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Originally Posted by DarkStar
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thanks for that ;-)
Yves
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05-07-2009, 03:41 AM
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Biggest +1 I own!
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05-09-2009, 03:44 PM
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right now would have needed that badly for controlling 1 delay on different tracks over sends via midi controller....
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05-09-2009, 03:47 PM
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There is a workaround involving 4 or 5 mouslicks (so : less than ideal), by going into the preferences (but i can't rememember where), so technically, you can if you really need, but it is not intuitive, and it is not quick.
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05-09-2009, 07:18 PM
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+1 for this, too!
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05-10-2009, 02:13 AM
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Massive +1
Especially need this for sends (delay sends being the most obvious example).
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05-10-2009, 10:42 AM
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+1 here too
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05-11-2009, 05:19 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sinkmusic
There is a workaround involving 4 or 5 mouslicks (so : less than ideal), by going into the preferences (but i can't rememember where), so technically, you can if you really need, but it is not intuitive, and it is not quick.
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A workaround for what exactly? And can you elaborate a bit how that workaround would look like ?
Yves
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05-11-2009, 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by yhertogh
A workaround for what exactly? And can you elaborate a bit how that workaround would look like ?
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A workaround for assigning a track volume to a Midi CC.
It is described in the manual, you can have a look at it, as, as i told you, i don't remember where exactly in the Preferences dialog it is.
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05-12-2009, 09:26 PM
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who wouldn't +1 this?
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05-13-2009, 03:01 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sinkmusic
A workaround for assigning a track volume to a Midi CC.
It is described in the manual, you can have a look at it, as, as i told you, i don't remember where exactly in the Preferences dialog it is.
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Perhaps its me , but in my opinion this isnt what this thread is about. This is about the reverse i.e. assigning a midi CC to a track volume, BUT doing it in a more flexible way. todays implementation binds the CC to a track number, which is not flexible enough. The CC should stay with the track.
Yves
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05-13-2009, 03:04 AM
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+1 from me too.
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05-25-2009, 02:19 PM
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any news on this?
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05-25-2009, 03:11 PM
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I feel sad for those poor sends... all alone, unable to learn, whilst all his friends skip merrily along with assignable knobs, per track, per focus, soft takeover, reacontrol midi etc. etc.
... I think i have something in my eye...
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05-25-2009, 04:24 PM
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Is there really no way to control sends via midi? I just cannot believe this. I guess this is one of the most basic things you do while mixing (especially when using Reaper in a studio, where everything is controlled with a big digital mixer).
fladd
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05-25-2009, 05:24 PM
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This is about the reverse i.e. assigning a midi CC to a track volume, BUT doing it in a more flexible way. todays implementation binds the CC to a track number, which is not flexible enough. The CC should stay with the track.
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That's how I read it as well. This is where I have a small problem with the statement on the home page that "REAPER doesn't discriminate against MIDI". It seems to me that it does a bit -- or at least it doesn't support it as intuitively/fully as it does Audio.
Coming from another DAW, this was one of the first things I noticed. I wouldn't be surprised to see it addressed soon, though.
-Susan
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06-20-2009, 03:43 AM
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Big ++1
I cant believe reaper cant assign midi to sends its about the most important control to automate apart from volume . How am I supposed to do mad professor style dub tracks without my hand permanently on the send control.
The only workaround I can think of would be to set up a folder with say a delay in the folder track.Then insert a track for every track you want to send to the delay in the folder. Then use the sends to send the signals from your original tracks to there corresponding folder tracks . Then and only then you could map midi cc to the volume controls of the folder tracks controlling the amount of signal into the delay.
Absolutely ridiculous if its this hard to implement because sends are so diverse in terms of there routing then there should be a simple fx sends structure as well. Simply for setting up send Fx nothing els with its own column in the mixer so that they always appear in the same order i.e like in cubendo : Add an fx channel it automatically routes itself to the send structure on every track . These could then be addressed more sensibly by reaper for midi control i.e assign midi cc : track 1 : FX Send 1 .etc
So people please vote on this one so we can get down to some ire dub and reggae in reaper
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06-20-2009, 03:47 AM
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MODERATOR SHOULDN'T THIS BE IN THE FR FORUM
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07-06-2009, 02:22 PM
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ok plsss cockos!!!!
Again would have needed baaaadly to control the sends in a live situation!!!
For me the highest priority of all updates.
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07-07-2009, 01:39 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by reaperdeeper
ok plsss cockos!!!!
Again would have needed baaaadly to control the sends in a live situation!!!
For me the highest priority of all updates.
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This was one of my FR a while ago ... for the same reasons !
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07-07-2009, 04:56 PM
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I will even ask in binary.
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07-07-2009, 05:27 PM
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07-07-2009, 06:15 PM
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07-07-2009, 09:34 PM
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A workaround for now would be to stick a volume control plugin on that track's channels 3+4 and then create a send to the other channel from 3+4 back to the receiving channels 1+2.
that way not only can you midi control the send via this volume control plugin but you can parameter modulate it too.
hope that makes sense!
+1 though!
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07-07-2009, 10:07 PM
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08-11-2009, 10:25 AM
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I need thissssss --- uuuuurgentlyyyyy!!!!
I can feel you will do it....its in the air...u smell it???
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08-11-2009, 12:22 PM
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+1235A6
there should be a GLOBAL 'last touched parameter'
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08-18-2009, 03:37 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by reaperdeeper
Other thing is : when the are assigend by actions - and you move a track or insert a track , the track order is changing - but the assigend controller stays on the same track number. This just cannot be!!!!
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slaps forehead...
and yet it is.
it's funny to me that someone else had the same reaction to this that i did almost three years later and it's still true. apparently having their faders go haywire every time they rearrange track order (which it's hard not to do a lot of since showing/hiding mixer tracks in reaper is even more painful than assigning midi cc control to vol/pan) doesn't bother most reaper users in the least. if this makes you wonder a little about reaper's average user it does me too.
i switched to logic 9 recently on my main box after finally losing faith that cockos would ever fix all the "you gotta be kidding me" oversights like this in reaper (of which there are many).
the primary reason most of these types of issues take forever to get fixed (or don't at all like this one) is because the reaper devs are very sensitive, delicate people who take any intimation that anything might be wrong with their baby very very personally. when someone says, "hey, reaper reassigns my fader and pan controls every time i change track order in the mixer. WTF?" well, then cockos is gonna teach you a lesson by making sure reaper will continue to change your control assignments as it sees fit in perpetuity. maybe then you'll know better than to voice your completely natural "WTF?" reaction next time you find something about reaper that cannot be, and yet is.
i'm not making this up either. believe it or not schwa has said as much on this forum more than once. he is on the record that cockos will and does intentionally withhold useful and obviously needed features or fixes from its entire user base in order not to "reward" a user who made him feel bad by pointing out a problem with reaper in too brusque a manner, or perhaps did not afford him the deference he feels he is due in the process - who knows. i do know that if schwa spent half the time fixing problems with reaper that he does sniffing his own farts and trolling the forum putting his user base in its place it would be a far more serious application than it is today.
reaper: the only DAW with a development track subject to the adolescent, hyper-emotional narcissism of one of it's three developers. YAY!
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08-18-2009, 04:04 PM
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http://www.logicprohelp.com/
good riddance to bad vibes...
cc to specific track number parameter is very valuable to some. changing this isn't desired, rather another series of actions for direct assign to a certain track, perhaps by track name rather than number
cc to specific track number must remain an option as some of us may use the same top-numbered, unchanging submix tracks to which lower dynamic tracks send...
additional actions are better than changing existing actions.
Last edited by plamuk; 08-18-2009 at 04:09 PM.
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08-18-2009, 06:10 PM
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This really is way way overdue
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08-18-2009, 09:08 PM
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+1. would like to able to control *everything possible* with my midi controller.
apart from using a fader for the volume and pan, also the start, stop, continue and record functions for transport controllable via midi would be awesome.
plz jcs ... we're waiting
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