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Hi folks,

I own a physical Roland Jazz-Chorus 160 (4X10" speakers) but want to go 100% digital...

Any free VST to suggest ?
(I know Guitar Rig and few other commercial sims have such amps)

Thanks for any hints !

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I use to have a Roland Jazz Chorus....boy, I liked that amp.......I wonder what I traded it in for and how much I lost on that deal.

Finding nice clean guitar amp plugins is not easy. Tons of great distortion out there......but......I finally sprung for this one, because I love the nice clean sounds I can "easily" get.

I got the $79 one.....Just seemed to me that the more expensive one had a lot of things you can get free....such as verb, echo, impulse files, chorus.

check out the sound clips....plus it has a demo you can download.

It's the best thing I've tried so far for clean.

http://www.studiodevil.com/products/
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Finding nice clean guitar amp plugins is not easy. Tons of great distortion out there......but......I finally sprung for this one, because I love the nice clean sounds I can "easily" get.

It's the best thing I've tried so far for clean.

http://www.studiodevil.com/products/
So even AcmeBarGig was not able to satisfy you with any clean Head? It must be really hard to produce clean ones then...

Thanks for the tip DB

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sigh......I was able to get close with one of ABG's called "Cyan" it was an experiental one he never released. Also they are working on one right now that I believe is called "Twin".....and I have high hopes on that one.

If you emailed Ken....I'm sure he would give you a download link for Cyan....it's a nice amp sim.

but.....I must be the freakin' odd ball of all guitarists or something.....I LOVE A NICE CLEAN SOUND......that's not to say a dead sound.....I want it to be "Hot" but clean.....as in.....listen to every country song ever recorded in the last 20 years......or might I say, the Mark Knoffler ish sound......HOT....SMOKING HOT....BUT CLEEEEEEEEAAAAAAN HOT.....AAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGGH.......

I have Peavy Revolver.....I can play for you 5 million different levels of distortion from mild distortion to brain damage distortion.....it's the same with the ABG stuff.....I love Kens amps.....sometimes I use distortion....distortion is nice....I love it....but.......unfortuneatly, I guess I write a style of song that no one in the world likes.....(which quite coinkidinkly explains why my complete fan base can ride on a bicycle with me at the same time).....but.......when I strum my 6 string G chord....I like to hear all of the pretty notes.......not the sound of my McCullough chain saw......a chain saw just doesn't fit into what my fan base likes......(although, I'm sure my fan base doesn't really give a shit, and only say they like my music so I'll leave them alone).....but anyway..........I WAAAAAANT A CLLLLEAAAAAN ROLAND JAZZ CHORUS PLUGIIIIN SOOOOOUUUUUNNDD.....DAAAAAAAMMMNNNN ITTTT....AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMOOOOOOORE...........ooooh waitaminut....I forgot....I just bought the studio devil...sooo, I don't have to take it....sigh.

forgive the rant.
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Old 10-24-2009, 01:37 PM   #5
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Allow me to do the mathematics. Here we have a guy who really needs a kind if guitar tone. He could need some kind of..like....tone factory. Yes! A tone factory were some kind of genius would put together effect chains to reach the tone of your wish........ if you ask him to....... and he feels that it's interesting.......

Now I've got it! Go to TedWoods Tonefactory at http://tedwood.wordpress.com
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In this last year, Computer Music magazine (at any Barnes&Noble or Borders) has given away in the disc-of-the-month both GuitarRig3le and Amplitube - both are giving me great clean jazz settings.

....gotta watch for the giveaways...
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Also guys, I'm hopeful that G-SPOT Suite will do that...
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I know this thread is about free Amp VSTs and I've tried most of them and can never seem to get those clean-ish tones with a little bit of,"Bite" out of them to sound good.That's most likely me though.
I always end up going back to tones I've made with Gearbox/Podfarm standalone software that came with my Mucho cheapo Toneport GX(Now Pod Studio GX),


http://line6.com/podstudiogx/

I'm quite happy with this tone for a little boogie number I'm working on,

https://stash.reaper.fm/oldsb/667383/BoogieOn.mp3

and here's the patch if any has the Podfarm software,

http://www.box.net/shared/gsxsdpd6zn
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Also guys, I'm hopeful that G-SPOT Suite will do that...
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Good call Ken, if I had to I would go to the G-spot first, IMO the Guitar Rig one doesn't come close, my band mate owned a Jazz chorus and I can still hear it ringing in my ears.

It's a tough one how ever you try, because the harmonic character seems nearly distortion free.

However its' worth bearing in mind the JC relied to a great extent on the speakers - ally caps, 2x12 open back if I recall correctly, and wider range than the norm, so it's not just about the amp, you want a cab sim of that type too
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I can't wait to try out your G spot Ken......hmmmmmmm.....something just doesn't sound right about that.....but......can't wait to try that one and the Twin one that other one guy is working.

I'm not one of Kens testers anymore......I just wasn't putting enough time into it.....sooo, I told Ken I didn't want to just be taking up space when he can find serious testers...Love his work though.

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Dali - can't resist a challenge, so to help me get an idea I need a bit more info.

Are you talking Jazz chorus - with the stereo chorus effect as well?

If you are I would suggest we treat it separately - that can be done, but I think it 's better to try to get the JC sound - then put it through a stereo chorus FX

Also can you tell what type of guitar you want to use.

I have managed to get a reasonable JC sound but can tweak it for you if you let me know these things
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Old 10-25-2009, 05:22 AM   #12
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Dali - can't resist a challenge, so to help me get an idea I need a bit more info.

Are you talking Jazz chorus - with the stereo chorus effect as well?

If you are I would suggest we treat it separately - that can be done, but I think it 's better to try to get the JC sound - then put it through a stereo chorus FX

Also can you tell what type of guitar you want to use.

I have managed to get a reasonable JC sound but can tweak it for you if you let me know these things
Hey Monsieur Tedwood, you're a gentleman.

The main reason I like my JC-160 so much is because I was quite happy with this "analog chain":

Guitar: Fernandes Sustainer Revolver -> Boss Super Feedbacker and Distorsion -> Ibanez Double Sound Fuzz Wah(now missing in action) -> TC Phaser -> Ibanez DM2000 Digital Delay (set to 325 ms usually) -> MXR Digital Delay (previously owned by Frank Zappa! and use just for looping past 1024 ms... Zappa added 4 sec of delay on the unit) -> JC-160 with Chorus on (Depth 8, speed 2) and reverb near 8.

I'm not a tone purist and my reach for clean tone is simply aimed at having my fuzz and delay upfront before reaching the amp, hence my search for clean ampsims.

Maybe I'll have a JC-160 to sell...

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Thanks Ted...Dali, Doughboy...I was working a little more on G-SPOT effects last night with this thread in mind...I think we're getting really close to release...Just have some skins and Presets to do...Ted...I'll get you the advanced copy as soon as I get the preset saving sorted..You should be able to get a JC out of it...I Have not yet5, but my presets also suck as you all now LOL

So far...I worked on Routing for..
Bassman, Super reverb, Twin(All relatively similar) AC30, Sound City(Hiwatt), Gibson(GA 77 in particular), Orange, Bogner, Boogie, Marshall, Ampeg(Not had too much luck with that),GK(This one either, no solid state circuits),Kent(6610, not sure why I did that)..

Now, I'm certainly not saying that G-SPOT is 100% spot on for these amps, However, The goal was never to be able to absolutely model other amps, we all know how I feel about that...The goal was to give you a Tool that could do a decent approximation thereof. It still ends up being that you use your ear and if it sounds good to you, then great...As I have always said...You want a Marshall sound, there is only one place to get it...Buy a Marshall..

One note as well, G-SPOT was the backbone for every one of the Preampus line heads...Including the metal heads..It was used as a template..a starting point kinda..

Anyways, I hope you can get a JC out of it...I am really sure you'll be close..although I'm not sure if the G-SPOT chorus will do the job for it or not..There is another type new type effect in it as well that may work better in conjunction with the chorus to achieve the JC chorus sound..

HAHA...Its called the Wonder Girdle!
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There is another type new type effect in it as well that may work better in conjunction with the chorus to achieve the JC chorus sound..

HAHA...Its called the Wonder Girdle!
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OMG! another cracking name from ABG

Don't tell me next you will be doing a Tube Screamer called The Tampon





Tube - Scream - get it?



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Does this sound like a JC120 to you?


https://stash.reaper.fm/oldsb/232692/JC120.mp3

It does to me, but I am going on 20 year old memories


It uses Stillwell's Stereo Chorus, and Studio Devil - British Valve Custom ( http://www.studiodevil.com/download/ )

Here's the chain

https://stash.reaper.fm/oldsb/232695/...horus.RfxChain
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Great sounds Ted!
Just browsing your web site...
Great presets-templates.

Thank you!

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I like that Ted....my memories of my JC are waaaay older than 20 years.....but.....that's a sound I can definatly use on my tunes.

Sigh....okay.....DAMN IT.....HERE'S THE PART I HATE!!!!

Now I've got to figure out how to get your system to work....because no doubt whatever I try....it's not going to work....It'll take about 20 posts back and forth about some dot or dash that really isn't where it's suppose to be so therefore I'll be as frustrated as that poor bastard yesterday that couldn't download those impulse files he paid for, and was even the guy that let everyone else know about the deal and he was the one screeewed.....although that was kind of funnier than hell....who was that again??? Oh yeah....ooops sorry....but anyway.....
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Now I've got to figure out how to get your system to work....because no doubt whatever I try....it's not going to work....It'll take about 20 posts back and forth about some dot or dash that really isn't where it's suppose to be so therefore I'll be as frustrated as that poor bastard yesterday that couldn't download those impulse files he paid for, and was even the guy that let everyone else know about the deal and he was the one screeewed.....although that was kind of funnier than hell....who was that again??? Oh yeah....ooops sorry....but anyway.....
HaHa - In your face Doughboy - now for payback time

Gee thanks Dimi, good to see a tone head (and guitar phenom) like you taking interest.

You what I guys? I started the Tone Factory so that people don't have to wade through loads of stuff and read tons of manuals etc.

The idea was to provide some easy to install chains that will give you a good starting point, then you can look into why they work without having search through pages of threads to find what you want.
It should also save having to type things out a thousand times as it's all in one place, but I' starting to wonder about that

Obviously I haven't got it right just yet, but my thoughts were that if this were popular I would make it a proper web site instead of a blog. A web site would be easier to find what you want.

Give me a bit of time and I will completely revamp the whole thing.

Could someone that knows please help out poor old doughboy, It must be somebody else's turn surely ?
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Does this sound like a JC120 to you?


https://stash.reaper.fm/oldsb/232692/JC120.mp3

It does to me, but I am going on 20 year old memories


It uses Stillwell's Stereo Chorus, and Studio Devil - British Valve Custom ( http://www.studiodevil.com/download/ )

Here's the chain

https://stash.reaper.fm/oldsb/232695/...horus.RfxChain
Probably a bit too *thin* and on the mp3 I still hear a bit of distortion but I will have to test the actual chain to be sure.

Anyway thanks a lot for those chains ! I'll keep you informed during the week once I got my new PC with real horsepower...

@KEN, thanks also for your effort in clean stuff! As I see it people are awaiting Bass amps AND clean guitar ones... I'm on the Facebook group so I will await the link once you got the software ready

Thanks guys !

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1. Put a single page with links to all plugs you use in a page so we got the stuff "ready".

2. Give 1-2-3 instructions for the new "Quick FX add: support for adding FX chains from folders via context menu" found in REAPER v3.131pre (see: http://landoleet.org/)

That should do the trick !

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Probably a bit too *thin* and on the mp3 I still hear a bit of distortion but I will have to test the actual chain to be sure.

Anyway thanks a lot for those chains ! I'll keep you informed during the week once I got my new PC with real horsepower...

@KEN, thanks also for your effort in clean stuff! As I see it people are awaiting Bass amps AND clean guitar ones... I'm on the Facebook group so I will await the link once you got the software ready

Thanks guys !

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Absolutely Dali, It's a starting point only - there is no way I can guess what your guitar will sound like, but if it sounds right but too distorted then you can clean it up .

Personally I remember the JC120 my band mate had distorting a bit - because he played it loud and it sounded great.

the other thing a lot of people forget is you are hearing these tones in isolation - it's a whole 'nother story once you put them in a mix.

I try all my chains with a Les Paul, a Srat, and a Ibanez semi - when they pass that test I try them in a mix of of the kind of music they were made for.

Often what you find is that they don't sit in a mix well if you try for too much tone - they will be too present and distract

Since awesome clean tone has always been the great challenge though I will be working on a whole range of JC120 sounds. The main purpose is for different chorus effects.

Stillwell's stereo chorus is a powerful bit of kit, but I don't really want to be distracted when looking for the tone I want - so there will also be presets for that
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Tad, I think I forgot to say thanks !

And out of curiosity... Does Recabinet got JC impulses ? If not maybe I'll have to try to get some from mine...

And now time to get a decent microphone...

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Negative on recab having JC responses. There are some nice ones though.
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Negative on recab having JC responses. There are some nice ones though.
Some very nice ones I'd say, I'm pretty knocked by the tweed and the top boost ones.

Dali, a Jazz Chorus Impulse might be good if you are going to build you tones up from scratch, but putting a new impulse in the chain changes everything.

If you were to put a JC120 in place of the one I used in the chain I made I can pretty much promise you it will sound shit - well not like you want it too anyway.

I am using The Boogex Cabinet 2 U87 Bright Impulse. This has a two fold reason.
A. You don't need to buy anything to use it
B. It is already embedded with Boogex

Reasons A and B will always apply to my chains - unless I make some specials, simply so everyone can share them without having to pay for stuff they don't know whether they need or not.

I can highly recommend Recabinet impulses, but at the end of the day it's just another string to your bow
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Why would you need more than one string for your bow??????? I can see one spare....but that's it.....two spare strings would be over kill and border on a nerosis of some kind.......

thank gaaawd I read this so I know now, that you don't know what you're talking about.....I was starting to think you were preeeetty dang sharp.
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Hmm - you got me on the run there Doughboy. I am trying to formulate a smart answer as I write.

Two strings would suffice, yes one spare, for that crucial moment when at war and your enemy is attacking, and your bow string snaps - Hold on there squire - allow me to restring my bow - chivalry and all that!

Maybe I meant to say it's nice to have choice of bows, but I am truly grasping at straws now.

Now don't start on the straw thing will you
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Dali, a Jazz Chorus Impulse might be good if you are going to build you tones up from scratch, but putting a new impulse in the chain changes everything.

If you were to put a JC120 in place of the one I used in the chain I made I can pretty much promise you it will sound shit - well not like you want it too anyway.
Thanks for the invaluable sharing of your knowledge. Deeply appreciate.

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Dali - I do want to make a pack of JC sounds - so if you happen to find a Jazz Chorus Impulse, I bet I could put it to good use.
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Dali.....here's some site I was looking at a few days ago, and actually thinking of buying.....just to much though.....anyway.....if you look at there "Upcomming Cabinets".....down towards the bottom of the page......you will see, that a Roland Jazz Chorus is on the list.....$10.

http://www.redwirez.com/bigbox.jsp
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Dali.....here's some site I was looking at a few days ago, and actually thinking of buying.....just to much though.....anyway.....if you look at there "Upcomming Cabinets".....down towards the bottom of the page......you will see, that a Roland Jazz Chorus is on the list.....$10.

http://www.redwirez.com/bigbox.jsp
Funny enough, 2 minutes ago I saw that too ! Life can be good...

I'll keep you all informed,

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Dali - I do want to make a pack of JC sounds - so if you happen to find a Jazz Chorus Impulse, I bet I could put it to good use.
As you said... Can't resist a challenge...

http://www.grgr.de/IR/

Bottom of the page: "Roland Jazz Chorus"
But the description is creepy: "Keyboard Setup with different mics" so I can't say it will helps...

Still can't try anything sound-related so be patient...

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OK...as a result of this thread..Last night I made some adjustments to G-SPOT to allow for a JC type configuration..and...whats very cool, is that when I loaded up the other heads that have already been created, they sounded more like their intended models, especially the VOX...!
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Old 10-26-2009, 04:23 PM   #34
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OK...as a result of this thread..Last night I made some adjustments to G-SPOT to allow for a JC type configuration..and...whats very cool, is that when I loaded up the other heads that have already been created, they sounded more like their intended models, especially the VOX...!
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Old 10-27-2009, 04:27 AM   #35
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As you said... Can't resist a challenge...

http://www.grgr.de/IR/

Bottom of the page: "Roland Jazz Chorus"
But the description is creepy: "Keyboard Setup with different mics" so I can't say it will helps...

Still can't try anything sound-related so be patient...

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I tried that JC IR Dali, doesn't do anything for me though, it it's thin and has a nasty resonance to my ears.

Good news is though, I got some great AC30, Orange Mattamp IR's as well as some very nice bass impulses
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Old 10-27-2009, 06:31 AM   #36
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I was working a little more on G-SPOT effects last night with this thread in mind...I think we're getting really close to release..
Great news ! If we accidently made G-Spot better everyone wins.

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So far...I worked on Routing for..
Sound City(Hiwatt)...

...I hope you can get a JC out of it...
Wow! So a Robert Fripp wannabe will be able to get a '74 era King Crimson sound and a '80s sound too.

Next buying item should be this Fripp custom :


For more nude guitar porn: http://www.crimsonguitars.com/051009-2 . There's hundreds of pictures there!

And could someone tell me where to buy talent ? Please.

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Old 10-27-2009, 07:39 AM   #37
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Well thats the goal..We'll see what te guys from the Facebook group can come up with..We're releasing a pre-release copy to them all for them to get to know and make some heads with...We'll include them in the release..
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