Can I sell my Reaper 5 License?

rcl · 12-14-2019, 07:48 AM

Here is the situation.

I bought Reaper 4 years ago and recently Reaper 6.
I have a bandmate here in Brazil that I would like to share projects with. He is primarily a Reason guy for now.
Sure he could load the stems in Reason, but sharing projects would be so much easier.

I would think I still have a license for Reaper 4-5.

Can I sell / give him my license for Reaper 5?

Who knows he may become a Reaperite.

siehorst · 12-14-2019, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by rcl

... recently Reaper 6. ...

The fee is so little, buy him one as a christmas surprise ;-) .
Than you both can work with version 6.
horst

Greg Savage · 12-14-2019, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by rcl

Here is the situation.

I bought Reaper 4 years ago and recently Reaper 6.
I have a bandmate here in Brazil that I would like to share projects with. He is primarily a Reason guy for now.
Sure he could load the stems in Reason, but sharing projects would be so much easier.

I would think I still have a license for Reaper 4-5.

Can I sell / give him my license for Reaper 5?

Who knows he may become a Reaperite.

He can always use the demo without limitation

siehorst · 12-14-2019, 11:42 AM

Thumb down!

OldTascam · 12-14-2019, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Greg Savage

He can always use the demo without limitation

For 60 days. After that it's stealing.

rcl · 12-14-2019, 02:15 PM

Cool but...

$60.00 usd is a weeks wages here.

Not trying to steal reaper. Just trying to solve a problem ethically

mlprod · 12-14-2019, 02:49 PM

Ask cockos...

siehorst · 12-14-2019, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by rcl

Cool
$60.00 usd is a weeks wages here.

Do you have an idea how we can set up a fund raising campaign here?
I will participate with 10 $ :-) .
horst

Held · 12-14-2019, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by siehorst

Do you have an idea how we can set up a fund raising campaign here?
I will participate with 10 $ :-) .
horst

https://www.gofundme.com/

peter5992 · 12-14-2019, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by rcl

Here is the situation.

I bought Reaper 4 years ago and recently Reaper 6.
I have a bandmate here in Brazil that I would like to share projects with. He is primarily a Reason guy for now.
Sure he could load the stems in Reason, but sharing projects would be so much easier.

I would think I still have a license for Reaper 4-5.

Can I sell / give him my license for Reaper 5?

Who knows he may become a Reaperite.

No, probably not, but you can ask licensing@cockos.com.

siehorst · 12-15-2019, 01:07 AM

Good morning,

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Originally Posted by Held

https://www.gofundme.com/

That means, @rcl has to set up a campaign?

Isn't there an easier way?

Tubeguy · 12-15-2019, 04:03 AM

When I buy hardware I can sell it or do anything I want with it. Why not with software.

Held · 12-15-2019, 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by siehorst

Good morning,

That means, @rcl has to set up a campaign?

Isn't there an easier way?

I think you can setup a campaign for other people too. Or you can just send him the money on PayPal?

Held · 12-15-2019, 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Tubeguy

When I buy hardware I can sell it or do anything I want with it. Why not with software.

In the European Union, you are allowed to resell used software by law. Maybe Brazil has a similar law? Might be worth looking into if Cockos says no.

rcl · 12-15-2019, 06:45 AM

Hey guys it is very generous of you to want to fund my friend. But not sure it is necessary. Maybe my friend likes Reaper....maybe not. It just makes sharing these projects easier and if it takes us longer than 60 days to complete our project we are still operating ethically.

It is really a question of ..Is Reaper 4-5 a separate product from Reaper 6-7 and if so, can I transfer the Reaper 4-5 license to another party.

rcl · 12-15-2019, 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by peter5992

No, probably not, but you can ask licensing@cockos.com.

Interesting.

This link wants me to setup an accout through a wizard that will collect the need info.

vitalker · 12-15-2019, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by rcl

This link wants me to setup an accout through a wizard that will collect the need info.

It's an email adress, just copy it to new email you want to write to Cockos.

akademie · 12-15-2019, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by rcl

...
It is really a question of ..Is Reaper 4-5 a separate product from Reaper 6-7 and if so, can I transfer the Reaper 4-5 license to another party.

Hi rcl,
no matter the lots of replies here, your question is totally valid IMHO.

Not that I would like to sell my previous two licenses

, but it wouldn't hurt to know how it stands.

As was already recommended, ask Cockos directly via email.
And, please, share the final result with us here in the thread.
Thank you.

rcl · 12-15-2019, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by vitalker

It's an email adress, just copy it to new email you want to write to Cockos.

Good grief!!!!

palm to the face

thanks

rcl · 12-15-2019, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by akademie

Hi rcl,
no matter the lots of replies here, your question is totally valid IMHO.

Not that I would like to sell my previous two licenses

, but it wouldn't hurt to know how it stands.

As was already recommended, ask Cockos directly via email.
And, please, share the final result with us here in the thread.
Thank you.

will do

kenm · 12-15-2019, 12:08 PM

The word "nontransferable" is all over the Reaper license agreement.

That being said, 60 days is plenty of time for your bandmate to evaluate 6.0 before having to purchase a license.

akademie · 12-15-2019, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by kenm

The word "nontransferable" is all over the Reaper license agreement.

That being said, 60 days is plenty of time for your bandmate to evaluate 6.0 before having to purchase a license.

Not so on main online purchase webpage "Purchase a REAPER License" https://www.reaper.fm/purchase.php

And there is also that EU regulation for the software reselling to allow by law (here I speak generally, because rcl and his friend are not in EU, of course).

Greg Savage · 12-15-2019, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by OldTascam

For 60 days. After that it's stealing.

How is using it within its limitation stealing?

kenm · 12-15-2019, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by akademie

Not so on main online purchase webpage "Purchase a REAPER License" https://www.reaper.fm/purchase.php

And there is also that EU regulation for the software reselling to allow by law (here I speak generally, because rcl and his friend are not in EU, of course).

Where on the purchase page specifically?

As you said, EU law doesn't apply for purchases in Brazil.

Ken

nait · 12-15-2019, 01:19 PM

I'm not trying to find a loophole i the EULA, but just quoting the only line in the EULA that sounds somewhat applicable (but still doesn't seem to sound applicable to me):

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3.2 You may not sell, rent, lease, sublicense, transfer, resell for profit or otherwise distribute the Software, its documentation, or any part thereof.

It does say "transfer" here, but in the context of the Software.. not the license..? It does say "documentation, or any part thereof" so it might be implying license too. I don't take that line as meaning you can't transfer the license, and I couldn't find anything in the EULA that says you can't transfer the license. Usually legal documents aren't vague in that sense.. if they don't want the license transferred, it would more than likely specifically say the license can't be transferred.

This is where it's just best to wait and hear what someone from Cockos says though, out of respect. I'm no lawyer (I just play one on the internet), and you obviously want to make sure you do this on the up and up. Plus, you need one of them to change the name anyways, if this is all possible.

I know other applications like Reason allow you to transfer licenses, because I've actually done it with those using their process that they have for license transfers. So it's possible Cockos is OK with this as well, but best to wait for an answer from one of them as to whether it can be done and if they can switch the name for you.

I do think having your friend do the trial for 60 days is a good idea too though. Cause that might be enough to sell them on the product or not.

You're also attempting to transfer an outdated license too, so I'm not sure if that also throws another wrench in whether this is transferable or not.

Reason · 12-15-2019, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Greg Savage

How is using it within its limitation stealing?

The license allows for 60 days of evaluation use, without purchasing a license. After that, use is in violation of the license terms. So while there are no technical limitations, there is a licensing limitation. Using it outside of that limitation is stealing (barring any semantic arguments).

kenm · 12-15-2019, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Greg Savage

How is using it within its limitation stealing?

Please read section 1.1 and 1.2 of the license agreement. Beyond 60 days you are required...

Greg Savage · 12-15-2019, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Reason

The license allows for 60 days of evaluation use, without purchasing a license. After that, use is in violation of the license terms. So while there are no technical limitations, there is a licensing limitation. Using it outside of that limitation is stealing (barring any semantic arguments).

Well there ya go I guess

rcl · 12-15-2019, 01:54 PM

I don't agree with outdated license. People buy komplete ultimate older versions all the time. It is still a usable product as is Reaper 5

akademie · 12-15-2019, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by kenm

Where on the purchase page specifically?

As you said, EU law doesn't apply for purchases in Brazil.

Ken

I meant that

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Originally Posted by kenm

The word "nontransferable" is all over the Reaper license agreement.

but that word is not written anywhere on purchase page. That's all.

I think, there is no room for speculations. rcl can (and will) ask Cockos and then he (and us) will know. Simple.

rcl · 12-15-2019, 01:58 PM

I would understand if it is not transferable. It is low cost and the extra admin may raise cost

nait · 12-15-2019, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by akademie

I meant that but that word is not written anywhere on purchase page. That's all.

I think, there is no room for speculations. rcl can (and will) ask Cockos and then he (and us) will know. Simple.

The EULA is really all that matters, but as I said, I dont see any specifics regarding not being able to transfer a license. I may have missed it. Also, I'm not trying to help circumvent the EULA or find loopholes, just saying. Cockos is needed to rename the license anyways, if possible, and they'll have to confirm. So yeah, we shall see!

rcl · 12-19-2019, 01:26 PM

Ok boys and girls...Cockos got back to me. Here is the deal.

They will allow it.
It becomes NfR.
They do this as a courtesy to those folk who no longer want to use Reaper or give their old license to a friend.

That applies to my situation perfectly.

Another awesome view point from the folks at Cockos.

vitalker · 12-19-2019, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by rcl

They do this as a courtesy to those folk who no longer want to use Reaper or give their old license to a friend.

It is very generous of them!

kenm · 12-19-2019, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by rcl

Ok boys and girls...Cockos got back to me. Here is the deal.

They will allow it.
It becomes NfR.
They do this as a courtesy to those folk who no longer want to use Reaper or give their old license to a friend.

That applies to my situation perfectly.

Another awesome view point from the folks at Cockos.

Glad to hear it worked out. Can you tell me what NfR means?

Thanks,
Ken

AJYoung · 12-19-2019, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by kenm

Glad to hear it worked out. Can you tell me what NfR means?

Thanks,
Ken

"Not For Resale". It means that the friend he sells it to can't then turn around sell the license to someone else.

kenm · 12-19-2019, 06:37 PM

Ah. Got it.

Thanks,
Ken