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11-09-2020, 12:36 PM
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Help needed with CSI installation - odd noise
Having followed the instructions from the GeoffAWaddington
reaper_csurf_integrator page to the letter, when I add the "control surface intergrator" in reaper preferences-control/osc/web I hear the sound of a loud piano chord followed by horrible random digital noise. If I remove it, the sound goes away.
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11-09-2020, 12:45 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by percy main
Having followed the instructions from the GeoffAWaddington
reaper_csurf_integrator page to the letter, when I add the "control surface intergrator" in reaper preferences-control/osc/web I hear the sound of a loud piano chord followed by horrible random digital noise. If I remove it, the sound goes away.
-Strange
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You need to disable the control surface in the general Reaper Midi section -- see step 15 in the wiki installation instructions.
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11-09-2020, 03:11 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Geoff Waddington
You need to disable the control surface in the general Reaper Midi section -- see step 15 in the wiki installation instructions.
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Hi Geoff - thank you for replying
Yes - the control surface is disabled, but the noise problem is still there?
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11-10-2020, 03:58 AM
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Noise problem
Quote:
Originally Posted by Geoff Waddington
You need to disable the control surface in the general Reaper Midi section -- see step 15 in the wiki installation instructions.
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The noise still persists when devices are disabled and even disconnected
Also it causes the sound card to crash.
I have removed the CSI files and .dll so that is no longer a problem.
Last edited by percy main; 11-10-2020 at 04:40 AM.
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11-10-2020, 05:31 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by percy main
The noise still persists when devices are disabled and even disconnected
Also it causes the sound card to crash.
I have removed the CSI files and .dll so that is no longer a problem.
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Please post the contents of your CSI.ini, .mst file and any .zon files, we'll have a look.
It makes things easier if you put the results inside code blocks like this:
Code:
Your file contents go here
The tags are [bode] at the beginning and [/bode] at the end -- I used the word bode instead of code to fool the forum software, you will use code
[bode]
Your file contents go here
[/bode]
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For installation instructions and documentation see the Wiki
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11-10-2020, 06:41 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Geoff Waddington
Please post the contents of your CSI.ini, .mst file and any .zon files, we'll have a look.
It makes things easier if you put the results inside code blocks like this:
Code:
Your file contents go here
The tags are [bode] at the beginning and [/bode] at the end -- I used the word bode instead of code to fool the forum software, you will use code
[bode]
Your file contents go here
[/bode]
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Code:
Page "HomePage" FollowMCP NoSynchPages UseScrollLink NoTrackColoring { 39 255 45 }
MidiSurface "Console1" 7 6 "Console1.mst" "Console1" 0 0 0 0
MidiSurface "LaunchPad" 6 7 "LaunchPadMiniMK3.mst" "LaunchPadMiniMK3" 0 0 0 0
OSCSurface "iPad" 8001 9001 "TouchOSCPad.ost" "TouchOSCPad" 0 0 0 0 192.168.2.19
OSCSurface "iPhone" 8000 9000 "TouchOSCPhone.ost" "TouchOSCPhone" 0 0 0 0 192.168.2.11
MidiSurface "A800" 10 8 "RolandA800.mst" "RolandA800" 0 0 0 0
MidiSurface "Mix1" 0 0 "MCU.mst" "MCU" 8 8 8 0
MidiSurface "Mix2" 1 1 "MCU.mst" "MCU" 8 0 0 0
csi.ini
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11-10-2020, 06:54 AM
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Zon
Code:
Zone Home
IncludedZones
"Buttons"
"Channel"
"MasterTrack"
IncludedZonesEnd
ZoneEnd
Zone "Buttons"
Track NoAction
Send MapSelectedTrackSendsToWidgets
Pan NoAction
Plugin MapSelectedTrackFXToMenu
EQ NoAction
Instrument NoAction
BankLeft TrackBank "-8"
BankRight TrackBank "8"
ChannelLeft TrackBank "-1"
ChannelRight TrackBank "1"
Flip NoAction
GlobalView GoZone Channel
nameValue NoAction
smpteBeats CycleTimeDisplayModes
TimeDisplay TimeDisplay
F1 NoAction
F2 NoAction
F3 NoAction
F4 NoAction
F5 NoAction
F6 NoAction
F7 NoAction
F8 NoAction
MidiTracks NoAction
Inputs NoAction
AudioTracks NoAction
AudioInstrument NoAction
Aux NoAction
Busses NoAction
Outputs NoAction
User NoAction
Shift Shift
Option Option
Control Control
Alt Alt
Read TrackAutoMode "1"
Write TrackAutoMode "3"
Trim TrackAutoMode "0"
Touch TrackAutoMode "2"
Latch TrackAutoMode "4"
Group Reaper "42023" //Set track automation mode to latch preview
Shift+Read GlobalAutoMode "1"
Shift+Write GlobalAutoMode "3"
Shift+Trim GlobalAutoMode "0"
Shift+Touch GlobalAutoMode "2"
Shift+Latch GlobalAutoMode "4"
Shift+Group Reaper "42024" //Set all tracks automation mode to latch preview
Save ToggleLearnMode
Undo NoAction
Cancel NoAction
Enter NoAction
Marker Reaper "40157" //Insert marker at current position
Hold+Marker Reaper "40614" //Edit marker near cursor
Nudge Reaper "_S&M_CYCLACTION_1" //Show track receives T/W Recall mix visibility and selection
Cycle CycleTimeline
Drop ToggleVCAMode
Replace ToggleScrollLink 17
Click Reaper "40364" //Toggle metronome
Hold+Click Reaper "40363" //Show metronome settings
Solo ClearAllSolo
Rewind Reaper "40172" //Go to next marker/project end
FastForward Reaper "40173" //Go to previous marker/project start
Stop Stop
Play Play
Record Record
JogWheelRotaryCW Reaper "40647" //Move cursor right to grid division
JogWheelRotaryCCW Reaper "40646" //Move cursor left to grid division
Scrub NoAction
Left TrackBank "-8"
Right TrackBank "8"
Up TrackBank "1"
Down TrackBank "-1"
Zoom ForceScrollLink
ZoneEnd
Zone "Channel"
TrackNavigator
DisplayUpper| TrackNameDisplay
DisplayLower| TrackPanDisplay
RotaryPush| GoZone PanWidth
VUMeter| TrackOutputMeter
/ Rotary| TrackPan "0" [ (0.001,0.005,0.025,0.05,0.1) ]
Rotary| TrackPan "0"
RecordArm| TrackRecordArm
Solo| TrackSolo
Mute| TrackMute
Select| TrackUniqueSelect
Shift+Select| TrackRangeSelect
Control+Select| TrackSelect
Shift+Control+Select| TogglePin
Fader| TrackVolume
Alt+Select| TrackUniqueSelect
Alt+Select| Reaper "41665"
Alt+Select| TrackToggleVCASpill
ZoneEnd
Zone "MasterTrack"
MasterTrackNavigator
MasterFader TrackVolume
Control+MasterFader FocusedFXParam
ZoneEnd
Zone "PanWidth"
TrackNavigator
Rotary| TrackPanWidth "1" //[ (0.001,0.005,0.025,0.05,0.1) ]
DisplayLower| TrackPanWidthDisplay
FaderTouch+DisplayLower| TrackVolumeDisplay
RotaryPush| GoZone "Pan"
ZoneEnd
Zone "Pan"
TrackNavigator
Rotary| TrackPan "0" //[ (0.001,0.005,0.025,0.05,0.1) ]
DisplayLower| TrackPanDisplay
FaderTouch+DisplayLower| TrackVolumeDisplay
RotaryPush| GoZone "PanWidth"
ZoneEnd
Zone "Send"
SendNavigator
DisplayUpper| TrackSendNameDisplay
DisplayLower| TrackSendVolumeDisplay
Mute| TrackSendMute
Fader| TrackSendVolume
ZoneEnd
Zone "FXMenu"
FXMenuNavigator
DisplayUpper| FXMenuNameDisplay
DisplayLower| NoAction
Rotary| NoAction
RotaryPush| GoFXSlot
ZoneEnd
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11-10-2020, 06:56 AM
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MCU
This file had too many characters to post - it was above the limitation allowed
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11-10-2020, 03:45 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by percy main
Code:
Page "HomePage" FollowMCP NoSynchPages UseScrollLink NoTrackColoring { 39 255 45 }
MidiSurface "Console1" 7 6 "Console1.mst" "Console1" 0 0 0 0
MidiSurface "LaunchPad" 6 7 "LaunchPadMiniMK3.mst" "LaunchPadMiniMK3" 0 0 0 0
OSCSurface "iPad" 8001 9001 "TouchOSCPad.ost" "TouchOSCPad" 0 0 0 0 192.168.2.19
OSCSurface "iPhone" 8000 9000 "TouchOSCPhone.ost" "TouchOSCPhone" 0 0 0 0 192.168.2.11
MidiSurface "A800" 10 8 "RolandA800.mst" "RolandA800" 0 0 0 0
MidiSurface "Mix1" 0 0 "MCU.mst" "MCU" 8 8 8 0
MidiSurface "Mix2" 1 1 "MCU.mst" "MCU" 8 0 0 0
csi.ini
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Ok, that's my CSI.ini file you have there.
It is there as an example.
You need to configure CSI for your setup.
Each of the lines in CSI.ini except the first line represent control surfaces.
You need to remove all of those via the configuration panel and add your own surface(s).
That's where your problems are coming from.
Please see steps 9-13 in the installation guide on the wiki and also click the CSI.ini link on the page to help understand how this all fits together.
What surface(s) are you trying to use ?
The documentation is fairly out of date, we are just finishing the next version, at that point the docs will be updated, so please bear with us
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To install you need the CSI Software and Support Files
For installation instructions and documentation see the Wiki
Donate -- via PayPal to waddingtongeoff@gmail.com
Last edited by Geoff Waddington; 11-10-2020 at 03:50 PM.
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11-11-2020, 04:23 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Geoff Waddington
Ok, that's my CSI.ini file you have there.
It is there as an example.
You need to configure CSI for your setup.
Each of the lines in CSI.ini except the first line represent control surfaces.
You need to remove all of those via the configuration panel and add your own surface(s).
That's where your problems are coming from.
Please see steps 9-13 in the installation guide on the wiki and also click the CSI.ini link on the page to help understand how this all fits together.
What surface(s) are you trying to use ?
The documentation is fairly out of date, we are just finishing the next version, at that point the docs will be updated, so please bear with us
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Frontier Alphatrack - it does work in W10 but some of the less important buttons do not respond.
The problem with the noise occurs immediately I choose the option "Control Surface Integrator"
-9. Click on the empty box beside "control surface mode" and select Control Surface Integrator - this will now show the setting for CSI. If Control Surface Integrator is not visible, you might have to install the Microsoft Visual C++ 2019 runtime 32bit | 64bit and restart Reaper.
eventually followed by my sound card crashing and reaper exiting or freezing
So I fall at the first hurdle.
I once managed to get this far:
"Back on the main Reaper window, run the Reaper Action "CSI Edit Mode" to get the Edit Mode Window. Click on "Show Input from Surfaces" checkbox. Close the Edit Mode Window.
You should now be able to turn a knob, push a button or move a fader and see the ReaConsole window pop up to show you the message received by CSI. If so, we're now ready to start defining our control surface capabilities."
However ReaConsole did not respond
I think there maybe some conflict between the CSI software and the sound card?
Have there been any other reports of this noise problem/crashing in the past?
Last edited by percy main; 11-11-2020 at 04:38 AM.
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11-11-2020, 05:08 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by percy main
Frontier Alphatrack - it does work in W10 but some of the less important buttons do not respond.
The problem with the noise occurs immediately I choose the option "Control Surface Integrator"
-9. Click on the empty box beside "control surface mode" and select Control Surface Integrator - this will now show the setting for CSI. If Control Surface Integrator is not visible, you might have to install the Microsoft Visual C++ 2019 runtime 32bit | 64bit and restart Reaper.
eventually followed by my sound card crashing and reaper exiting or freezing
So I fall at the first hurdle.
I once managed to get this far:
"Back on the main Reaper window, run the Reaper Action "CSI Edit Mode" to get the Edit Mode Window. Click on "Show Input from Surfaces" checkbox. Close the Edit Mode Window.
You should now be able to turn a knob, push a button or move a fader and see the ReaConsole window pop up to show you the message received by CSI. If so, we're now ready to start defining our control surface capabilities."
However ReaConsole did not respond
I think there maybe some conflict between the CSI software and the sound card?
Have there been any other reports of this noise problem/crashing in the past?
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Ok, looks like some kind of Midi / sound card interaction,
Edit your CSI.ini with notepad or some other text editor so that it looks like this containing only one line:
Code:
Page "HomePage" FollowMCP NoSynchPages UseScrollLink NoTrackColoring { 39 255 45 }
Then add CSI and let me know what happens, nothing should work, but it should not affect your sound card anymore.
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For installation instructions and documentation see the Wiki
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11-11-2020, 12:04 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Geoff Waddington
Ok, looks like some kind of Midi / sound card interaction,
Edit your CSI.ini with notepad or some other text editor so that it looks like this containing only one line:
Code:
Page "HomePage" FollowMCP NoSynchPages UseScrollLink NoTrackColoring { 39 255 45 }
Then add CSI and let me know what happens, nothing should work, but it should not affect your sound card anymore.
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I did as you advised and as you predicted the sound card wasn't affected, thank you
Not sure what I should do next with regard to the Alphatrack.
The idea was that I could test the water with CSI on the Alphtrack before investing on a more up to date control surface.
https://github.com/GeoffAWaddington/...r/wiki/CSI.INI
I saw there was a CSI.ini entry:
MidiSurface "AlphaTrack" 8 8 "AlphaTrack.mst" AlphaTrack UseZoneLink NoAutoMapSends AutoMapFX NoAutoMapFXMenu NoAutoMapFocusedFX
but no mst or zon files associated with it?
Should I wait until the next CSI version is released, which maybe more comprehensive for somebody like me?
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11-11-2020, 03:55 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by percy main
I did as you advised and as you predicted the sound card wasn't affected, thank you
Not sure what I should do next with regard to the Alphatrack.
The idea was that I could test the water with CSI on the Alphtrack before investing on a more up to date control surface.
https://github.com/GeoffAWaddington/...r/wiki/CSI.INI
I saw there was a CSI.ini entry:
MidiSurface "AlphaTrack" 8 8 "AlphaTrack.mst" AlphaTrack UseZoneLink NoAutoMapSends AutoMapFX NoAutoMapFXMenu NoAutoMapFocusedFX
but no mst or zon files associated with it?
Should I wait until the next CSI version is released, which maybe more comprehensive for somebody like me?
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I believe that's Malcolm Groves setup there.
The wiki really needs work, those parameters are way out of date, we need to get the wiki fixed up.
I'll ask Malcolm in the main thread if he has that .mst.
Glad to hear progress is being made !
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For installation instructions and documentation see the Wiki
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11-12-2020, 03:56 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Geoff Waddington
I believe that's Malcolm Groves setup there.
The wiki really needs work, those parameters are way out of date, we need to get the wiki fixed up.
I'll ask Malcolm in the main thread if he has that .mst.
Glad to hear progress is being made !
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Thank you
Is the sound card conflict something that can be solved without replacing it?
Last edited by percy main; 11-12-2020 at 12:23 PM.
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11-18-2020, 08:37 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Geoff Waddington
I believe that's Malcolm Groves setup there.
The wiki really needs work, those parameters are way out of date, we need to get the wiki fixed up.
I'll ask Malcolm in the main thread if he has that .mst.
Glad to hear progress is being made !
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I found the mst and zon file to try out but only the master fader, play, stop and record worked. I think the zon file may be limited to those parameters.
I could see the midi in rea console but not midi ox.
It worked for a short time and then stopped.
I think I will leave it there until such time as CSI is further developed.
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