Old 05-31-2010, 08:48 AM   #1
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I've been messing around with Reaper for the past few days trying to get the hang of it. In my current setup, I use both Nuendo and PT depending on tasks I have at hand, and want to simplify this setup with something that is more customizable....like Reaper.

Well, this program is so freakin confusing at times. I think the ease at which things are customized is both a plus and a minus when it comes to understanding the program itself, because it seems like everyone's version of it is different.

I have a few questions as to what's possible, things I miss/need from the other DAW's that I have known for years. I'll list all my qualms below, and maybe someone could help me out. Sorry if this is all stuff that's been over again and again, but I've been reading these forums for about 3 days straight, can can't find answers to some of these questions.

Here goes....

1. Move audio to different track while locking in time. This is "Ctrl drag" in Nuendo

2. Zoom the waveform itself to be able to see small transients better without zooming the track itself. Every other DAW I've ever used has a slider or toolbar for this, so I'm sure I've just overlooked it.

3. The undo history saves stuff that is non-destructive and pointless like "record enable track" that makes it hard to sort through sometimes. Is there a way to disable all but edits to the media files themselves?

4. Can the transport bar be docked to the top of the project instead of the middle? Is there a way to have the beat divisions for the snap feature as a drop-down in the transport instead of buried in a menu system? And finally, is there a way to get rid of that "rate" slider? I can't see that thing ever causing anything but problems by accidentally clicking on it.

5. I really REALLY miss my split tool in Nuendo that shows a floating cursor over the track you're mouse if hovering over. It makes for very precise and easy splitting. Using the split tool in Nuendo, I can edit DI tracks and minor drum fixes with ease using one hand. I really like only using one hand when possible. I keep seeing discussions about a split tool for Reaper existing somewhere but can't find it.

6. What's up with this continuous trimming going on in here. If I trim a file past where it exists, it keeps expanding past there and it's just a duplicate of itself underneath. This seems totally pointless to me and was confusing the hell out of me to begin with.

7. The feature I seem to miss most of all is "locate next event". This is a brilliant and simple feature where you just have a track highlighted and hit "N" and the cursor moves to the next audio event on that track. I know the lingo is probably different, but is this feature doable? I use that A LOT.

8. Other than a zoom tool of some kind, I guess those are my main issues at the moment with Reaper. If what I know about the program so far rings true, then I'm sure all these things are quick easy customize options that I'm simply overlooking.

Thank you all for any help or guidance in my journey to try and love this program.
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Old 05-31-2010, 08:50 AM   #2
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Hello,

I've been messing around with Reaper for the past few days trying to get the hang of it. In my current setup, I use both Nuendo and PT depending on tasks I have at hand, and want to simplify this setup with something that is more customizable....like Reaper.

Well, this program is so freakin confusing at times. I think the ease at which things are customized is both a plus and a minus when it comes to understanding the program itself, because it seems like everyone's version of it is different.

I have a few questions as to what's possible, things I miss/need from the other DAW's that I have known for years. I'll list all my qualms below, and maybe someone could help me out. Sorry if this is all stuff that's been over again and again, but I've been reading these forums for about 3 days straight, can can't find answers to some of these questions.

Here goes....

1. Move audio to different track while locking in time. This is "Ctrl drag" in Nuendo

2. Zoom the waveform itself to be able to see small transients better without zooming the track itself. Every other DAW I've ever used has a slider or toolbar for this, so I'm sure I've just overlooked it.

3. The undo history saves stuff that is non-destructive and pointless like "record enable track" that makes it hard to sort through sometimes. Is there a way to disable all but edits to the media files themselves?

4. Can the transport bar be docked to the top of the project instead of the middle? Is there a way to have the beat divisions for the snap feature as a drop-down in the transport instead of buried in a menu system? And finally, is there a way to get rid of that "rate" slider? I can't see that thing ever causing anything but problems by accidentally clicking on it.

5. I really REALLY miss my split tool in Nuendo that shows a floating cursor over the track you're mouse if hovering over. It makes for very precise and easy splitting. Using the split tool in Nuendo, I can edit DI tracks and minor drum fixes with ease using one hand. I really like only using one hand when possible. I keep seeing discussions about a split tool for Reaper existing somewhere but can't find it.

6. What's up with this continuous trimming going on in here. If I trim a file past where it exists, it keeps expanding past there and it's just a duplicate of itself underneath. This seems totally pointless to me and was confusing the hell out of me to begin with.

7. The feature I seem to miss most of all is "locate next event". This is a brilliant and simple feature where you just have a track highlighted and hit "N" and the cursor moves to the next audio event on that track. I know the lingo is probably different, but is this feature doable? I use that A LOT.

8. Other than a zoom tool of some kind, I guess those are my main issues at the moment with Reaper. If what I know about the program so far rings true, then I'm sure all these things are quick easy customize options that I'm simply overlooking.

Thank you all for any help or guidance in my journey to try and love this program.
i would like to know the answer to a lot of these

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1. For now you're gonna have to use keyboard for this. Num 2 and Num 8 keys for moving selected items down/up. Or, right click on the padlock icon in the main toolbar, and click on "Enable locking" and "Items (prevent left/right movement)". You also have "Locking: Toggle left/right item locking mode" action which you can assign to a key of your choice so you can use it more quickly

2. You have "Peaks: Increase/decrease peaks view gain" actions. I have them on Shift+Up or Down.

3. You can only disable creating undo points for making an item/track/time selection.

4. Transport can't be docked to the top. You can edit almost all menus to suit yourself. For a good starting point, search the forum for "ReaMenus". Yes, you can remove the playrate slider. Right-click the Transport->Show playrate control!

5. You do have "Split item under mouse cursor" command. I have it on Shift+S

6. Select your item, press F2 and disable Loop source. You can also have this disabled by defaults, it's in the Properties.

7. You have to get used to searching the Action list. It's there, albeit "different lingo": "Item navigation: Select and move to next item".

8. Mousewheel is your zoom tool, ALWAYS.
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1. Move audio to different track while locking in time. This is "Ctrl drag" in Nuendo
I don't believe you can use a "modifier" for this but you can lock left and right movement in the locking dialog. You can also make custom actions to turn that specific locking mode on and off. So you can hit one key to turn it on in one shot.
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Old 05-31-2010, 09:21 AM   #5
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1. For now you're gonna have to use keyboard for this. Num 2 and Num 8 keys for moving selected items down/up. Or, right click on the padlock icon in the main toolbar, and click on "Enable locking" and "Items (prevent left/right movement)". You also have "Locking: Toggle left/right item locking mode" action which you can assign to a key of your choice so you can use it more quickly

2. You have "Peaks: Increase/decrease peaks view gain" actions. I have them on Shift+Up or Down.

3. You can only disable creating undo points for making an item/track/time selection.

4. Transport can't be docked to the top. You can edit almost all menus to suit yourself. For a good starting point, search the forum for "ReaMenus". Yes, you can remove the playrate slider. Right-click the Transport->Show playrate control!

5. You do have "Split item under mouse cursor" command. I have it on Shift+S

6. Select your item, press F2 and disable Loop source. You can also have this disabled by defaults, it's in the Properties.

7. You have to get used to searching the Action list. It's there, albeit "different lingo": "Item navigation: Select and move to next item".

8. Mousewheel is your zoom tool, ALWAYS.
1. how can you make this a default? cuz my projects usually have thousands of "items"

2. how do you get back to "normal". i use wave form view to check if im clipping or not (as everyone should since you can't clip the internal summing)

5. how do you make it so you actually see a line where you're going to cut?

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1. Just assign the keys you want to trigger those actions with in the Actions list. For example, I have:

Num 2 - "Item edit: Move items/envelope points down one track/a bit
Num 8 - "Item edit: Move items/envelope points up one track/a bit
Num 5 - "Locking: Toggle left/right item locking mode"

Then you just click on the padlock icon when you want locking.

2. You just bring it back to normal with continuous repetition of "Decrease peaks view gain" action. Just hold Shift+Down for that. You can also make a custom action which will have 20 "Decrease peaks view gain" actions in it, this would virtually reset the peaks view gain.

5. You can't show that line, for now. But general rule is, where the tip of mouse pointer shows, that's where the cut is going to be.
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Ahhhh, I can lock movement left and right! I've always wished I could do this as I'm usually not moving stuff around out of time post drum editing. Having this enabled makes it ONE HAND instead of two. That's the kinda stuff I love to hear.

I can't find where to disable "loop source" for all tracks. I'm still looking, but I can't find it even typing in the word "loop" in the prefs search box.

Zooming waveforms, brilliant, and thanks for pointing that out. I don't mind not having a slider or button for this since it's usually only needed for in depth edits where I can see things a little better.

Still really wish I could figure out a way to "select sub division for slap" from the transport like every other DAW on the market. Can you customize menus to be anywhere on the screen, or just from the menu bar at the top?

Zooming with the mouse sucks, but I'll see if my muscle memory gets used to it after a couple more days. I love the way both other programs zoom, Nuendo dragging the cursor up and down from the timeline, and the PT "zoom once" tool is great, you highlight a selection and it zooms to it, then the tool turns back into the regular cursor.
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Regarding constraining item movement to vertical only:

Most people don't know this but Reaper has a mechanism built into it that prevents left/right movement when dragging across tracks unless it feels like you are specifically making an effort to move it left and right. There is a 20-30 pixel buffer zone that you can move left and right in and the item won't move left or right until you try and move it outside of that zone.

Try it, grab an item and try to move it up a track, and then very gently move your mouse left and right. You'll notice you can move it without the item moving at all. So as long as you are using even a remote bit of control and care when dragging items vertically to other tracks, they will be constrained automatically.
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8. Mousewheel is your zoom tool, ALWAYS.
Check this out:

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I can't find where to disable "loop source" for all tracs
It's per item, not per track.

Preferences > Projects > Default > Loop source for imported items (top left)

for existing tracks select all (ctrl+a), F2, "All at once" (pop up dialog), disable
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7. You have to get used to searching the Action list. It's there, albeit "different lingo": "Item navigation: Select and move to next item".
Another moment of ahhhh. I set this up to be "N" and "B" like in Nuendo and it actually works better for my purposes in Reaper because it actually only moves the cursor to the BEGINNING of the next item. In Nuendo, "N" moves the cursor to the next "event" ha, but it considers that either a beginning or end so I keep having to hit "N" twice to get to the next transient. So now in Reaper, I only have to hit it once...NICE.
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YES! So how are you doing that exactly? Are you having to hold Ctrl+F7+9+Z and tap your left foot, haha.
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It's per item, not per track.

Preferences > Projects > Default > Loop source for imported items (top left)

for existing tracks select all (ctrl+a), F2, "All at once" (pop up dialog), disable
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It still lets me drag it out past the file length, but there's no audio on it. Is there any way to just make the files appear as the length that they actually are? I don't see this as being a huge problem either way, just kinda strange. I can't see how this would be useful in any way.
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It still lets me drag it out past the file length, but there's no audio on it. Is there any way to just make the files appear as the length that they actually are? I don't see this as being a huge problem either way, just kinda strange. I can't see how this would be useful in any way.
It's useful for people who are looping MIDI items, or looping anything in general.

I agree that if loop source is disabled, you just plain shouldn't be able to extend the item.

Does anyone know of a way to force it so you can't extend things past their true beginning and end points? In my workflow, if I trim the right side of an item, I want it to stop trimming at the end of the item, there's no need for it to loop empty material and allow me to keep trimming. I just need it to lock at the actual right region boundary.
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Zooming with the mouse sucks, but I'll see if my muscle memory gets used to it after a couple more days. I love the way both other programs zoom, Nuendo dragging the cursor up and down from the timeline, and the PT "zoom once" tool is great, you highlight a selection and it zooms to it, then the tool turns back into the regular cursor.
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YES! So how are you doing that exactly? Are you having to hold Ctrl+F7+9+Z and tap your left foot, haha.
Action list. There's a zoom toggle action for just about every situation you can imagine. For me, I only ever want horizontal zoom, I have no need for my tracks to zoom vertically as well so I use the one in the list where you can see I've assigned the "E" key. Just find the one that does what you want and assign it to a key, then you can make a time+item selection, hit zoom and it'll zoom in for you.

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Does anyone know of a way to force it so you can't extend things past their true beginning and end points? In my workflow, if I trim the right side of an item, I want it to stop trimming at the end of the item, there's no need for it to loop empty material and allow me to keep trimming. I just need it to lock at the actual right region boundary.

Well, theoretically you do have "Lock item edges", but then say goodbye to Alt-stretching Either that, or you can lock the item completely with the little icon next to item name
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Well, theoretically you do have "Lock item edges", but then say goodbye to Alt-stretching Either that, or you can lock the item completely with the little icon next to item name
Well I don't want to lock the edges. I still want to be able to trim. I just don't want to be able to trim past the actual file into meaningless nothingness and empty item nonsense. Currently if you disable "loop source", Reaper already behaves the way I want for the left edge, just not for the right edge.
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Currently if you disable "loop source", Reaper already behaves the way I want for the left edge, just not for the right edge.
Hehe, and there are MIDI folks (like me), who want Reaper to extent with empty space even at the left edge!
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Well, theoretically you do have "Lock item edges", but then say goodbye to Alt-stretching Either that, or you can lock the item completely with the little icon next to item name
Yeah, but then you can't trim them at all. I think what we're both saying is the ability for Reaper to "not extend past the file length"
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Hehe, and there are MIDI folks (like me), who want Reaper to extent with empty space even at the left edge!
Well you SHOULD be able to extend MIDI. I do a lot of MIDI programming too, so I know where you're coming from on that one. Maybe just a way to disable it for audio files?
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Hehe, and there are MIDI folks (like me), who want Reaper to extent with empty space even at the left edge!
Reaper does do that for MIDI items. If you disable loop source you can extend into empty space on both the left and right edges. For MIDI this is practical and makes sense. But for audio it's totally useless.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3616293/loopsourcewoes.swf
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Oh shit, I forgot I can do that XD
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Action list. There's a zoom toggle action for just about every situation you can imagine.
Gotcha! Thanks Adam! I just found this while awaiting a reply. My guess is that once you guys get all your prefs set up, you back it up and guard it with your life? I couldn't imagine having to set all this stuff up twice, much less multiple times.
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Gotcha! Thanks Adam! I just found this while awaiting a reply. My guess is that once you guys get all your prefs set up, you back it up and guard it with your life? I couldn't imagine having to set all this stuff up twice, much less multiple times.
This is why you have Import/Export button in lower left corner of Actions list. You can save your keyboard shortcuts and transfer it on another machine which runs Reaper, and load it in a second! Same goes for customized menus and skins. You just drop them to their appropriate folders, and load within Reaper.
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YES! So how are you doing that exactly? Are you having to hold Ctrl+F7+9+Z and tap your left foot, haha.
I'm using a pen. So I select a section, hit the pen button (set to my custom action) and it zooms to window and hits escape to clear selection.
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Always export your commands and keep the Reaper ini file on backup, or you'll probably live to regret it.

Also, this post has made me experiment a bit and I found that without snap enabled, that the 30px horizontal movement rule if harder to work within. It's probably best to use "2" and "8" or "L" to lock its left/right movement temporarily as you drag your items.
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I'm catching on pretty fast here. I think I may mix one song on this EP I'm working on with Reaper just to see how it feels.

The way I see it, the ONLY thing stopping this DAW from being the best thing in the universe is the ability to "create and customize TOOLS"

If you could change the mouse behavior based on a tool select function, I can't think of anything you couldn't do.
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You can arm an action to a toolbar button, then right-click it, and until you press Esc, you have that action ARMED to your mouse!

Which means, if you put a "Split at mouse cursor" action on a toolbar, then right click it, until you press Esc, you're basically in "tool" mode, clicking around and making splits!


First rule of Reaper - RIGHT CLICK EVERYTHING!
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You can arm an action to a toolbar button, then right-click it, and until you press Esc, you have that action ARMED to your mouse!
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Man you guys are going to hate me before this is all over with. I have a couple things regarding the custom toolbar thing.

1. Can I make "split items under cursor" split the items in the group as well?

2. How do I customize the "action cursor"?
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Viacom Army: if you like working with the mouse, do yourself a favor and buy one with some extra buttons (but check that they are easily reachable for your hand, some are horrible). They can be assigned to very cool stuff, such as split at cursor or show floating toolbar at cursor. My mouse is like a swiss knife . Not much need for tools here.

The "Loop source" options are in Preferences -> Default. You should untick "Loop source for imported items", it also means new material you just recorded.



Regarding trimming out the end of an audio item:
I'd not oppose an option to switch it off, just want to mention that it can be useful for item FX tails (eg. for a delay on a single word and such).


Your new question 1.:
You can create a custom action which will split grouped items. Mine looks as follows:

- View: Move edit cursor to mouse cursor
- Item: Select item under mouse cursor
- Item: Split item at edit cursor

(actually my last command is "SWS: Split items at time selection (if exists), else at edit cursor", but the normal split works as well, just not as sophisticated ))

This action obeys the option "selecting one item selects group" (rightclick the group toolbar button). If it is ticked, all items in the group will split at mouse cursor location.

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there's also a great action for an intelligent split,so it will split at the edit cursor if there's no time/loop seclection or,if there's a time/loop selection it will split at the start and end.THere's a corresponding copy/delete etc action that works the same too


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Old 05-31-2010, 12:44 PM   #35
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did I hear you ask for a floating transport?

I have made myself one that I load into floating toolbar 4 slot when I want it... it can then be resized to quite large or very small and moved anywhere on any monitor screen you have... single, dual, triple whatever.

You may not love my icons, but that's not the point at all... make a few for your own taste or use what already exists as icons in the floating toolbar....

see the little blue 'LED' at the far right? when I clk that it turns red and the action assigned to it hide the transport section from the main TCP window....

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I just MUST add that IF Cockos would grant us more than a mesely 4 slots for floating toolbars it would be grand... Making floating toolbars to do many different things is worth the hassle...

just think... you could reduce the size of the tcp main toolbar to one item... that would be the toggle to show\hide floating toolbars! Everything in the main toolbar could be put into a floating toolbar, eh? And I could continue my current obsession for colorful icons that do visual tricks when you clk them...
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Old 05-31-2010, 01:10 PM   #36
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More floating toolbars, I keep telling . I want some floating toolbars for the MIDI editor.

One idea I liked very much during the pre-release discussions when toolbars were born was that CTRL+Rightclick could open a floating toolbar depending on the context you click on. Imagine: floating item toolbar, floating envelope toolbar, floating ruler toolbar, floating record button toolbar ... endless... I'd love it

(and just figure how many colorful icons you could make
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Old 05-31-2010, 01:26 PM   #37
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I'd like for an action which would show just ONE toolbar, without tabs below.
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Awesome! Just made a cut tool using the action button you told me about. A nice straight dotted line the runs vertical as a cursor to show me exactly where I'm cutting. Thanks for you help on that.
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did I hear you ask for a floating transport?
No, I was just trying to get it to dock at the top instead of the middle. That does look cool though. Too busy and cluttered for my tastes, but cool nonetheless.
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It is not exactly docked at the top, but just right click the transport, and un-check 'dock transport in main window'. Then I just put mine way up at the top in the blue banner to the left of the sound driver info and it stays there.
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