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Old 04-21-2013, 07:07 AM   #121
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the latency of the fishman is .5 ms according to the manual - just the transmission of the wireless.

I can't see that being much different than a keyboard.

but I dont know..

I could record audio and midi next to each other in a bit if it would help.
That would be great. It's just a curiosity because its the first thing I'd probably want to be aware of. I don't usually have that much use for one as I usually learn the parts on keyboard but I'm not a keyboard player so there are some things I could probably do faster and better on guitar as well as some slightly more complex stuff but I'd want to make sure I'm not investing in what would turn out (for me specifically) a novelty, I'd just want to actually use it a lot for real results. Not that you guys wouldn't, I just know me.
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That would be great. It's just a curiosity because its the first thing I'd probably want to be aware of. I don't usually have that much use for one as I usually learn the parts on keyboard but I'm not a keyboard player so there are some things I could probably do faster and better on guitar as well as some slightly more complex stuff but I'd want to make sure I'm not investing in what would turn out (for me specifically) a novelty, I'd just want to actually use it a lot for real results. Not that you guys wouldn't, I just know me.
here you go.

there might be some sensitivity settings i need to change. but im loving this. as cheesy as it is

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...04-20-a001.mp3

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...01-nodrums.mp3

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https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...13-04-20-a.zip
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Thanks Jason. Looks like I'd need to make an adjustment (400-700 samples) but as long as its a consistent latency between the lower and higher notes, I could easily account for it after the fact. Thanks again.
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Thanks Jason. Looks like I'd need to make an adjustment (400-700 samples) but as long as its a consistent latency between the lower and higher notes, I could easily account for it after the fact. Thanks again.
how would you go about doing this?
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how would you go about doing this?
Just add a sample delay to one of the tracks or slide the item over until they line up. To get the sample count (assuming I wanted to use a delay) I just zoomed in and made a selection (set to show samples) from the starting point of the guitar note to the starting point of the MIDI note and noted the length of the selection.

That's no biggie so long as the offset is consistent. I visually aligned it in your project and it synced right up nicely. That small slap back disappeared and made a big difference. I liked.
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nice ,thanks for that.
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nice ,thanks for that.
To be honest, I prefer the visual alignment. And I can revert anytime by using Item > Properties > Item Processing > Move to source preferred position which will move it back to its original position without my having to remember where that originally was.
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$399.00 USD. Fishman TriplePlay Wireless MIDI Pickup

Yup, just found out tonight that all the major online retailers will have it for $399 starting right now. Of course, it could go on sale, but don't hold your breath.

I am extremely disappointed at this ridiculous price. The parts for this cost something less than $10 to $20. This is not high tech, really -- a hex pickup (nothing new, been around since 1982 or so), a very simple chip, three knobs, pots, and a transmitter and receiver. A flash stick basically on the PC end. BFD.

Fishman knows it's a hot topic item. They read all the drooling threads here and elsewhere. They are MILKING this for all it's worth. Again, no truly new technology here. Think about it. They can shove this piece of rubbish I'm supposed to muck up my guitar with putty, tape, glue or whatever they think I'm going to use on my vintage guitars. I would have done $200, maybe considered $300, but THIS is highway robbery.

You people who sell your audio crap need to STOP ripping off the artists that support your ridiculous salaries. How I hate the music merchandising industry. Thieves.
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Old 04-23-2013, 02:37 AM   #129
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yes, because you're just paying for the materials.... lol

I would say that it' not about the raw materials that are involved, but the way the tech is utilized, and the R&D that went into it.

Any other system even close to this atm would cost more (since it would require some kind of synth) and then would require one to go from that interface, to your interface...

this is simple, does not require permanent installation, and works amazingly.

If you don't think it's worth it, don't buy it. I thought it was worth it.

Moving the price up was sneaky, but I dealt with it.
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Old 04-23-2013, 03:07 AM   #130
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$399.00 USD. Fishman TriplePlay Wireless MIDI Pickup
I am extremely disappointed at this ridiculous price.
If you think that's bad... it's 500eur in Europe... I think I'll stick with the JamOrigin MIDI Guitar vst.
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If you think that's bad... it's 500eur in Europe... I think I'll stick with the JamOrigin MIDI Guitar vst.
doesn't even compare in any way, but I certainly wouldnt buy the pickup for 600 bucks.
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I am extremely disappointed at this ridiculous price. The parts for this cost something less than $10 to $20. This is not high tech, really -- a hex pickup (nothing new, been around since 1982 or so), a very simple chip, three knobs, pots, and a transmitter and receiver. A flash stick basically on the PC end. BFD.



The price is bad that's true, but at the same time it's not just a hex pickup.
The right comparison would be axon guitar to midi converter + hex pickup, which brings you in the same ballpark.
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why pay for reaper? it's just a bunch of 1s and 0s
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Old 04-23-2013, 07:46 AM   #134
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why pay for reaper? it's just a bunch of 1s and 0s
I have a GR1/GK2 and a YouRock guitar.
Paid plenty for the GR1 many years ago, not so much for the YRG.
Might have even considered this solution if I needed/wanted it, however...

Reaper doesn't belong in the discussion. Sorry JBM.

My opinion, YMMV.
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Most everything I purchase... music gear, computer gear or otherwise I apply one simple principle. "Can I get out of it, what I paid for it and then some?. If the answer is yes, all the other complaining is moot.

That being said, my room full of cool stuff was basically all free + the income I received over and above the cost.
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I think rational people would agree that REAPER is very, very reasonably priced, especially for the quality of the product. I just can't see how that comparison can hold any water at all.

Justin, I see that you have your deal breaker price point also -- $600US is it? or perhaps $500? -- as you mentioned above, and as we all do. I think my own disgust at this situation falls right in there in line with the complete irrationality of, for example, softsynth prices. There is simply no rhyme or reason to the prices we are constantly asked to pay for as much as half the items we need to do our jobs. We're not talking about Air Jordans to impress or for casual use here. I also believe much of this is our own fault; we listen with our eyeballs and often critique the quality of sound based in whatever our friends and colleagues say is en vogue or must-have.

I'm not going to carry on with opening this stinky can of worms regarding the software side of it, but I'll leave the quality and pricing issue with that well-known test carried out, comparing George Yohng's W1 limiter (freeware) to the Waves L1 (pricey). They graph virtually identical, and I would defy anyone to hear any audible difference at all. The test:

http://redfaux.typepad.com/the_redfa...-l1-clone.html

Returning to the Fishman situation, I'm stating plainly (again) that the actual hardware used here is nothing earth-shattering whatsoever. Some of you are going glassy-eyed instantly and acting like it's some sort of magic or voodoo. Nonsense. They should be given credit for heading in the wireless direction but, after all, Fishman is now a huge corporation specialising almost exclusively in the area of guitar pickups and sensors, so this is really no more noteworthy than what we should expect from them. Again, all the various parts here have been around for a while, though perhaps not screwed together as such before. But it didn't take a genius to figure this out, nor a high intellect to figure out that they had something they could use to empty too many wallets.

I'll grant here that at least the responses to my original price annoyance post didn't go fanboi in defense, but I'm seeing the same sort of shoe gazing and excuse-making I see every time this sort of unethical pricing happens. It is bound to continue in our field forever, or at least until people start growing spines and learn to stand up against the regular bilking we are subject to. Look at this -- all standing around thinking up excuses for why a multimillion dollar corporation is giving us the shaft once again. I'll say one thing for our lot: there is seldom any common sense among us. We're instead a bunch of trained rats in a maze, scurrying around without any thought or caution just to get another pellet from the feed dispenser. What a distinguished league of serfs and gear-enslaved! Their piezo setups in acoustic guitars are ever more complicated and feature-packed but a fraction of the price of this. Maybe think about that when you're picking off the sticky gunk they make you use on your guitar to affix their little $400 marvel.

Seems I have to say it again -- it's a deal breaker -- and Fishman broke it by unethical pricing. No, I 'don't think it's worth it, [I] won't buy it.' And I feel for ya over in the EU zones. How did it end up even more ridiculously priced there? Should be lower, based on $$$ conversion rates, shouldn't it?
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Hey all,

I just did some digging. I felt I had better report what I heard. Some is from a user who got his on the 8th, so he has had time with the device.

First, this thing WAS indeed marked to be sold at $299, much like many of you speculated, but they did jack up the price by $100US just before release. This is confirmed info, but the 'why' of it is unknown (but I'm guessing an effort to bilk the buyer).

Second, this owner states it will only work in 32-bit DAW (but I doubt he knows about Reaper's great bridging, yet who can say if the bridging will work or be 100%?).

Third, confirmed -- comes bundled with 'NI Guitar Rig, Kontact Elements, Notion Progression, IK Multimedia Sample Tank 2 & Amplitube, Presonus Studio One'.

Can 'split' the fretboard by frets or strings, max 4 splits, much like a controller keyboard can usually be split, etc.

I am told it is not perfect but is better that the Roland guitar synths models for tracking. The chap said it is so far best he has used for this purpose.

And just for comparison sake, the GR/VG hex pickup, available separately, sells for $219 for that setup.
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Wow, I have to shake my head at posts like this. It makes me wonder why someone would slam a product they appear to know so little about.


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First, this thing WAS indeed marked to be sold at $299, much like many of you speculated, but they did jack up the price by $100US just before release. This is confirmed info, but the 'why' of it is unknown (but I'm guessing an effort to bilk the buyer).
The 'why' of it is NOT unknown, the price was upped due to the software licensing, which also pushed the release date back. The pickup was also modified in design over the year (when the initial price was stated) since it was announced and when it was released.


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Second, this owner states it will only work in 32-bit DAW (but I doubt he knows about Reaper's great bridging, yet who can say if the bridging will work or be 100%?).
100% false. Unless you are mistaken in thinking you have to use the Fishman app in the DAW. Perhaps if you wanted to do string splits, etc, that would be the only thing. However, I use it just fine in 64 bit, and only use the app to set the individual string sensitivity, which is then saved to the unit.

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Third, confirmed -- comes bundled with 'NI Guitar Rig, Kontact Elements, Notion Progression, IK Multimedia Sample Tank 2 & Amplitube, Presonus Studio One'.
The first thing you got right in this post. Don't know why your posting stuff that can be easily found on the Fishman website though.

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Can 'split' the fretboard by frets or strings, max 4 splits, much like a controller keyboard can usually be split, etc.
Yep.

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I am told it is not perfect but is better that the Roland guitar synths models for tracking. The chap said it is so far best he has used for this purpose.
It FAR exceeds anything Roland has ever made up to this point. Almost every glitch I've had comes down to 2 things, the sample or the technique. The more I tweak those 2 things, the less problems I've noticed. And there aren't many.

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And just for comparison sake, the GR/VG hex pickup, available separately, sells for $219 for that setup.
$219 for just the pickup
Another $50 for a finicky 13 pin cable
And what about something to plug it into?

Ok, even if we forget the floor unit...

just for comparison sake an additional $130 will allow me to transmit wirelessly with VERY little latency, track way better that Rolands, comes with recording SW, VST's, notation, etc., is small enough unit that it fits in the normal guitar case, and if I want to remove it I can do so in 2 seconds by sliding out the pickup from it's mounting tab, and snapping loose the control unit since it's held on by magnets.

The choice for me is simple. It's much much cheaper, and performs better than anything else out there. If you don't like it, don't buy it instead of spouting false info.
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I'd assume the $100 is for the bundled software and/or other stuff. Milking the customer is relative IMHO since I'm assuming they have the same policy I mentioned I have above about getting out what you put in, nevertheless we don't know and I kinda don't care at least for my personal satisfaction.

I spoke to a couple of my industry friends around the country on the production end of things (who use a triple play) a few moments ago and got a thumbs up from both FWIW. Mine will be on my doorstep by 10AM tomorrow.
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And just for comparison sake, the GR/VG hex pickup, available separately, sells for $219 for that setup.
yeah and that doesn't even get you started
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There are two kinds of people... Those who understand and appreciate the free market, and those who think they have some better system for setting prices.

When prices are set by any other system, there is always a shortage or a surplus. If you are the buyer, a surplus is nice. But if you are the seller with stuff you can't sell, you aren't so happy.

Of course, we are also free to complain about the price whether we buy the item or not.

In a free-market (and honest) transaction, both parties benefit!!! If either party won't benefit, they are free to back out (or ignore the offer) and there is simply no transaction. Nobody ever gets ripped-off (in an honest transaction where there is no fruad.)

I used to think that there was a winner and a looser in every transaction, and the best-case was "break-even" or a tie. But I was wrong... Everybody wins! There is no point in going to the trouble of buying something only to "break even", and you certainly won't buy something to come-out behind... You will only buy if you can come-out ahead, and the seller will only sell if he/she can come-out ahead!

Of course one party can "win bigger" than the other party, and you're free to complain about that too! But, there is no better way to set prices than by free-market agreement between buyer and seller.
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But I was wrong... Everybody wins!
That's the first thing I learned when I studied contract law. Not to be a lawyer but in order to successfully run a small corporation. If it is a good and honest contract both parties win, no questions. There is no need to one-up the other on a contract, the goal is for it to give each person something they are happy with, otherwise, stay away from it.
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Didn't they guy who designed it spent a decade just on this design? The price is worth it if you know and how to play midi guitar and not some delusional expectations of what midi guitar is.
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Soloist, you can go on shaking your head all you'd like if it suits you. I was using the Roland GR guitar synth by 1983, back when many forum members were still in diapers. I think I can safely say I know a little about this latest rig. As for what the GR/VG hex pickup will or will not do, I couldn't care less. I was merely posting the current price of that hex pickup.

And as far as the rest of this goes, I'm pretty well immune to the attitudes and behaviours I see here. Must have been all those charming moments I used to spend over at KVR, dancing with the trolls and sycophants. I just don't suffer fools and dodgy business ethics very well. But, hey, go knock yourselves out -- go and let Fishman empty your wallets! If I ever do decide to purchase this item, which remains extremely unlikely, it won't be for the full retail. This much is certain. I was already offered a spot on a group buy, but I expect I'll pass on that anyway. You do realise this unit has been out since the 1 April, do you not?

I want to see evidence of the claim that they jumped the price an hundred due to licensing. Show the proof, because I don't buy that either. You must think Fishman is so incredibly stupid and didn't know about a last-minute 100 quid fee? Bollocks! That's an outrageous per unit cost for 'licensing' in the first place. Complete nonsense. I both trust and verify my own sources. As for all this blather about free markets and business, I say more bollocks as well. I have encountered few if any business 'experts' ever on any audio forum, so don't start with economic lectures. Go own a few businesses of your own, then you can talk to me. It's as simple as the old adage, 'Whatever the market will bear', and I strongly suspect Fishman's marketing department has read the lot of you all too well. You show me one other discipline or area of artistic pursuit in which its members will pay through the nose over and over again, for artificially contrived and maintained prices -- that's one definition of insanity, you know. Only the U.S. medical equipment industry rivals what's been going down in these DAW and software forums, and even they might blush at your masochism. Say, just for example, you want to see the real worth of Wave's plugins? Go have a gander at all the slashed prices and 24/7 fire sales they have had these last few months. Apparently, the market would no longer 'bear' Waves formerly silly pricing, so they have been reduced to something closer to reality.

Look around -- I see lots of prices at the most hyped companies finally being slashed. It's high time too -- many are thieves. Many more would come down to something more respectable if so many on all the audio forums would cut the snob appeal, trendiness factor, and use some common sense (and your ears). Honestly, I've been all around our tiny planet, and I've never seen this degree of irrational spending behavior anywhere else . . . well, except perhaps Thailand's opium dens, American gambling casinos, and people selling their souls for quack miracle cures. Now, please, kindly excuse me before this thread goes full fanboi and the real oral foaming sets in. Cheers!

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I would not mind being able to buy it without the bundled soft's... LOL ...and save that 100 bucks.
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I would not mind being able to buy it without the bundled soft's... LOL ...and save that 100 bucks.
same here - absolutely no use for em.... however, still worth 400 dollars to me
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I think I can safely say I know a little about this latest rig.
It would seem like you don't given the incorrect information you posted.


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As for what the GR/VG hex pickup will or will not do, I couldn't care less. I was merely posting the current price of that hex pickup.
From which you were trying to make a comparison. Sorry, it's apple to oranges, anyone can see that.

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go and let Fishman empty your wallets!
If you want to play midi guitar and cannot afford the $400 then perhaps it's simply not for you. Going the Roland route is much more expensive, and cannot perform even close to the Fishman.

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You do realise this unit has been out since the 1 April, do you not?
I've had mine since the first day it was available from Sweetwater, and had it sent next day, or did you not read my previous post with the picture of it attached to my LP?

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I want to see evidence of the claim that they jumped the price an hundred due to licensing. Show the proof, because I don't buy that either. You must think Fishman is so incredibly stupid and didn't know about a last-minute 100 quid fee? Bollocks!
What is this, a courtroom? If you were following the progress of the product release for over the last year like many of us were, you would would surely know there was no "last-minute 100 quid fee". Yes, it when up in price after the final software was announced.

If you really want proof, feel free to dig around some forums that have been following this. Although I doubt this is really a concern.

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That's an outrageous per unit cost for 'licensing' in the first place. Complete nonsense.
So, don't but it.

There ya go, I solved one of your problems. Your bad attitude is something only you can fix, however.
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Soloist, you can go on shaking your head all you'd like if it suits you.

I think I can safely say I know a little about this latest rig.

Now, please, kindly excuse me before this thread goes full fanboi and the real oral foaming sets in. Cheers!
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Must have been all those charming moments I used to spend over at KVR, dancing with the trolls and sycophants. I just don't suffer fools and dodgy business ethics very well.




Why does this not surprise me?
This Telenator is the same guy who lectured me on the technicalities and techniques of fiddle playing,despite him never having owned nor played a fiddle,and me being a fiddle player who has studied technique for years(owned upwards of 30 instruments,and a hobbyist builder).


He also advised me,out of the blue,to go to KVR forum,where there are apparently lots of people with bad attitudes, just like me

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FYI:

For whatever reason the latest installer did not give the option as to where to store the VST version of the TP software and had no idea where it was installed to. I eventually found them here oddly enough:

C:\Windows\SysWOW64\{pf}\VSTPlugins\TriplePlay.dll
C:\Windows\SysWOW64\{pf}\VSTPlugins\TriplePlayFX.d ll

I then copied them into my default VST folder. I left the originals since I'm assuming the standalone version of TP might still look there. TP as VST can wrap VSTs inside of Reaper. There may be some advantages as there are TP hardware settings that can be tweaked from within TP on a per patch basis. If they refine TP a little more I could see it being usable as a VST in some scenarios. TP can scan your VST folders so all your VSTs show up in it as well (that's the wrapper part).

These same settings such as Pitch bend are supposedly sent to Reaper without the TP VST by holding down the up button while powering on controller but I haven't gotten that working properly in Reaper yet. I know it is in the correct mode but the JS MIDI event plugin isn't showing pitch bend being sent to Reaper in either TP controller mode as an FYI. For some VSTs, pitch bend is important when playing these from a guitar AKA bending notes.


I'll follow up when I have time with all the other TP usage/ins/outs/tips, been making a list.
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the workflow with controlling it needs some work, imo...

i just got it to recognize pitch bend, wow is THAT fun!

MAybe they should have spent less time getting other software and improving their own

still loving this thing tho! amazing!
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the workflow with controlling it needs some work, imo...

i just got it to recognize pitch bend, wow is THAT fun!

MAybe they should have spent less time getting other software and improving their own

still loving this thing tho! amazing!
How did you get it to recognize PB, by powering on while holding the up button down? If so that doesn't seem to work here. Or better asked did you get PB to work in reaper minus the TP software?
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hi all I have order one of these(should be here this week).I have some questions?? The computer i use for recording(With Reaper) has a ASUS motherboard with i5-760 processor running Win.XP-Sp3.Will these be compatable?? Also can anyone tell me what I would need to to run my Kurtz. Synths.via Midi from the fishman?? looking for Input On what a live rig would look like? i should add i have an I pad2 and Alesis Dock, A Mac g5 with Logic Pro8,Mainstage, Reaper of course. Any sugestions would be greatly appreciated. I am aging musician who is offen Software challenged. Thanks DaWiz
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i just got it to recognize pitch bend, wow is THAT fun!
In my experience, pitch bend has been as great a weakness as tracking in pitch-midi systems.

Are the pitch bend midi messages sent separately by string, on different midi channels?
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The computer i use for recording(With Reaper) has a ASUS motherboard with i5-760 processor running Win.XP-Sp3.Will these be compatable??
You need to upgrade to Windows 7. The TP software does not support XP.

Having said that, you could also load up the SW on another computer with 7, load up the TP software and set the calibration there, which will then be saved to the HW. Then you should be ok to use in Reaper as a midi controller.

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Are the pitch bend midi messages sent separately by string, on different midi channels?
Are the pitch bend midi messages sent separately by string, on different midi channels? Is my question not clear?
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I have been too busy to test that. sorry.
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Are the pitch bend midi messages sent separately by string, on different midi channels? Is my question not clear?
I'll check when I can but most anything you want to know that is currently known should be in this thread:

http://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/ind...58717#msg58717

In the meantime, I'll give you a quick lowdown of things I have learned that doesn't really answer your question directly.

There are currently a few ways to use the controller...

1. As a standalone with the TriplePlay standalone application where you load VSTs into that application and play them. There are multiple controller settings you can access from here.

2. As a simple MIDI device such as selecting TriplePlay as the MIDI input device in Reaper. This mode transmits all note/velocity data on channel 1 IIRC and no controller data AKA pitch bend.

3. As a multi MIDI device, each string is on its own MIDI channel where the channel number matches the string number (1-6). You could place a different synth per string or 1 synth for three strings and another for the other three.. for a very simple split config. Additionally, in this mode pitch bend is supposedly sent. However, mine doesn't and I think it "might" be that my firmware is just a few days old. There appears to be a certain combination of buttons on the controller that will enable pitch bend but I haven't consistently found what that is. Holding down the up button while powering on places it in this mode which is supposed to add pitch bend but it doesn't add the pitch bend. Note: There is a brand new firmware update and I wonder if it changed how PB is implemented because the forums I have visited were all using the previous version of the firmware. This may explain my different experience with enabling PB outside of the TP app.

The point about this mode is each string is a MIDI channel AND PB is supposedly enabled so maybe it sends PB per string etc. I don't know see link above.

4. As a fully functional mix of all of the above by loading the TriplePlay software as a VST inside of Reaper then loading VSTi's inside of that. This allows additional configuration you can't really do without the TP software... *kinda sorta.


Stuff I have found

Some free synths have controls that change when hitting certain notes. Setting it to a single MIDI channel mode and disabling controller messages in the MIDI settings appears to relieve this.

I cannot seem to get the TP software inserted as a plugin and "see" the controller from within Reaper (see #4). Something isn't being passed through from Reaper or I am missing something. This means you can load TP as a VSTi and run multiple VSTi's inside of that but it always shows "Controller not found" meaning you can't access the controller from within Reaper. MIDI notes pass but that appears to be it. The reason this "might" matter is that the TP software can modify multiple settings directly on the controller (many at the patch level) and tweaking pitch bend settings is one of them.

To get a hold pedal to work in Reaper I set the input to all MIDI channels/All Devices and just use the hold footswitch attached to my keyboard.

I'd recommend at least downloading the NI Elements bundle. The sounds are impressive to be bundled in. All the apps in the bundle are surely worth the questionable $100 if you use them. They aren't tied to TP so you can load those VSTi's in Reaper directly (such as Kontakt Elements) Also, be sure to point TriplePlay standalone to your VST32 folder and scan it.

The popup dialogs in TP Standalone are mucked up in Windows 8 but the fix is to set TP Standalone to run in Windows 7 compatibility mode. They will still be mucked up in Reaper (running as VSTi) unless you run Reaper in Win7 Compat mode. Notice I did NOT say run Reaper as admin. If you have TP, don't run Reaper in Win7 Compat mode if you have Addictive/XLN Audio products as this will cause AD to generate a different machine key and AD will suddenly show up unauthorized until you remove the compatibility mode flag.

It tracks fine but it still suffers longer delays on lower notes. This is impossible to completely cure as the distance from peak to peak in a low frequency is longer than a higher one and it takes more time for that to occur which increases the time it takes to calculate what note was played.

This also means that a open low E will a have maybe 1000+ samples of latency and a high E (1ststring/12 fret) will be closer to 400 samples. So if you are going to quantize, no problem, if you want the performance your going to have to do any sample delays/item position alignment based on the approximate center of the range you played.

The transmitter might be .5 ms latency but once you add the conversion from vibration to midi note, the audio interface etc. The round trip latency in Reaper is going to be more in the 5-7ms range (or less or more as I haven't formally measured). That's based on a 96 sample buffer at 88.2k just as a reference point. That is a little much and it can throw me off if I don't concentrate on the flick of the pick instead of the note I'm hearing. I do not blame this on the TriplePlay as its just the sum of all the latencies in the chain. You simply can't examine, encode and transmit with zero time elapsing, not physically possible.

Lastly, see my post a few posts up about how my TriplePlay.dll (the VST) ended up in a very unexpected location. Took me two days to figure out how to load the TP software as a plugin. I should note having as a plugin is not required.

The final ramble is that it is so new, there are likely settings etc. that exist in the latest firmware that are not documented. I think I've stumbled across one here and there but haven't solidified anything. There actually appears there may be good bit of undocumented info. I also think the controller and what it can do without the TP software running is in its infancy (see thread I linked to). In other words the forum isn't even up yet it is so new right now. That's about all I've learned in the last 5 days or so since mine arrived.

Manuals, tutorials etc. can be found here: http://www.fishman.com/tripleplay/help

I should add that I love it and having such a simple way to trigger VSTs wirelessly from a guitar is very, very handy.

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I should add that I love it and having such a simple way to trigger VSTs wirelessly from a guitar is very, very handy.
Thanx for the terrific response karbomusic. Comparing my experience when using older technologies, I failed to take into consideration the fact that the TP is wireless.
Your explanation concerning note latency is very interesting and is something I hadn't thought about. I'll assume that in mode 3, the pitch bend will perform as it must, (separate by string) in order to really act as a guitar. If it doesn't already do that, then I expect a software upgrade will fix that soon enuf. At this time I don't have a need for the TP, however, if and when the price begins to come down I'm sure GAS will take over...
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Went in on an apparently large group buy on another forum asking more what the thing is really worth. Apparently also, I'm not the only one who felt the last minute price hike was bull.

It's just a little glitchy-er than I expected. They better come up with a replacement parts list, offering the USB receiver for when the cheap plastic of it hits the floor, gets knocked out of the computer and breaks into several pieces.

So, let's review: guy writes into thread, states the sudden new pricing is ridiculous. Bunch of chaps who spend all their time hanging around the forum 24/7 have a cow over the guy's opinion and immediately start peeing in their pants. They tell him not to buy it if he thinks the price is too expensive, after he's already posted twice that he's NOT buying it at that price. They offer all manner of excuses for the price, but can't provide even one link to support anything they say. So, instead, one or two of them start in with the childish dissing of the forum member to cover up for the lack of any proof, you know, those dodgy things called 'facts'. Still dissing, still posting about him days after he left the thread. Gosh, I so love you entitlement Generation Y types. You chaps are geniuses . . . so special!

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Makes perfect sense to me. Basically the same here as I've dorked around with and sold these things since they first came out decades ago and really never had much interest or shall I say use I could personally get out of them. I sort of got this one on a whim because it wasn't that expensive and I could go straight to the PC and use VSTs and I record a lot.

I traditionally have played VSTi's on an actual keyboard. I'm not a keyboard player so I'm somewhat limited. Now that I have the TP and setup properly (and I caved and purchased Kontact 9 Complete Ulitimate over the weekend ) I noticed there are some great uses for me. That's certainly not a selling point to anyone else as I see these as very, very much tied to the individual user. Just noting I was surprised that I got more out of it than I had expected.

Would I ever use it live? Likely not my cup of tea but for recording, for sure. Now back to auditioning the 16,000 sounds I now have in Kontack.
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