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12-03-2010, 10:55 AM
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yep, +1 for dual panning mode. We all want it because it's the usual way to pan two mono tracks on a mixingdesk when making stereo couple (overhead, stereo samples...).
Some Desks, like The Neve VR have stereo tracks with width (0 to 200%)and balance.This is close to the reaper stereo width mode (width 0-100%+pan L to R)which is in fact a Mid-Side mode but without the expansion possibility (100-200%)...
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12-03-2010, 12:24 PM
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#82
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Originally Posted by yagonnawantthatcowbell
Is there going to be a way to adjust the width slider from the Mackie control?
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12-04-2010, 04:15 AM
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I've just had a quick look at this and I believe Width to the left of zero means reverse n'est-ce pas?
I don't find that function useful to my workflow so I'll just map the positive half.
I like the width / placement metaphor, I think I'll map it to the MCU thusly:
I never use the bottom half of the LCD display for metering because it's just to clunky, I use the Reaper meters on a big screen.
That means I can use the meter characters to indicate ever increasing width as the display fills to the right.
The push switch on the Pan vPot will switch between Pan / Width modes.
Hmm... let's see, think I'll use the little LED in the lower middle center to indicate you're Width mode.
Hmmmm, time to have a little programming fun on a Saturday morning
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12-04-2010, 08:12 AM
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#84
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width is great but +1 for dual panning!
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12-04-2010, 08:13 AM
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#85
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whatever the implementation, we need to have control over both the width and the placement of a stereo signal. Just KISS
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12-04-2010, 09:15 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Spyrow
width is great but +1 for dual panning!
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Yup. It has its benefits.
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12-04-2010, 10:50 AM
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Hmm... I just had a look at reaper_plugin_functions.h and I see an implementation of CSurf_OnWidthChange, but not the usual bookend CSurf_SetSurfaceWidth so that we can get feedback from the app to set the Width indicator on the surface. Is this the right place to request this?
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12-04-2010, 10:59 AM
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Has anyone also noticed that reasurround has a stereo mode which allows pretty advanced placement of the left and right signal, especially since you can diffuse either channel too for additional bleed.
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12-04-2010, 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Geoff Waddington
Hmm... I just had a look at reaper_plugin_functions.h and I see an implementation of CSurf_OnWidthChange, but not the usual bookend CSurf_SetSurfaceWidth so that we can get feedback from the app to set the Width indicator on the surface. Is this the right place to request this?
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I'd be interested in this as well as hopefully Klinke could add it to the mcu mod as an additional mode.
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12-04-2010, 12:13 PM
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Agree that visually it could use some work, but using my ears, I really like this addition to the track/channel strip. I too have been using chanmix. I'm remixing a tune in alpha V4 to get the feel of it and the ability to have width and pan is nice.
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12-04-2010, 04:33 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by musicbynumbers
I'd be interested in this as well as hopefully Klinke could add it to the mcu mod as an additional mode.
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+1 that would be great
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12-05-2010, 09:00 AM
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does this allow to have the same volume in the center as on the left/right ?
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12-05-2010, 09:01 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by fly
does this allow to have the same volume in the center as on the left/right ?
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wouldnt that just be pan law settings?
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12-05-2010, 09:41 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jason Brian Merrill
wouldnt that just be pan law settings?
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yeah , well i remember there was an fr to make it easier to change the pan law and make it more effective.
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12-05-2010, 11:41 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Renan L.B
Here's what i've been hoping for V4 since the old days of FR requests regarding different Stereo Pan modes:
[IMG]http://img713.**************/img713/8529/pandream.png[/IMG]
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+1, absolutely!!!
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12-05-2010, 12:10 PM
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Cool
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12-05-2010, 12:48 PM
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I'd be down with that
once we have knobs (which is the hard part) we can satisfy the guys who want knobs instead of faders)
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12-05-2010, 11:50 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Geoff Waddington
I've just had a quick look at this and I believe Width to the left of zero means reverse n'est-ce pas?
I don't find that function useful to my workflow so I'll just map the positive half.
I like the width / placement metaphor, I think I'll map it to the MCU thusly:
I never use the bottom half of the LCD display for metering because it's just to clunky, I use the Reaper meters on a big screen.
That means I can use the meter characters to indicate ever increasing width as the display fills to the right.
The push switch on the Pan vPot will switch between Pan / Width modes.
Hmm... let's see, think I'll use the little LED in the lower middle center to indicate you're Width mode.
Hmmmm, time to have a little programming fun on a Saturday morning
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Geoff, +1, good luck with the programming. Would like to see official support, though, as I'm on a mac.
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12-06-2010, 09:33 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by vinx
yep, +1 for dual panning mode. We all want it because it's the usual way to pan two mono tracks on a mixingdesk when making stereo couple (overhead, stereo samples...).
Some Desks, like The Neve VR have stereo tracks with width (0 to 200%)and balance.This is close to the reaper stereo width mode (width 0-100%+pan L to R)which is in fact a Mid-Side mode but without the expansion possibility (100-200%)...
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Gawd! I never noticed that 200% width thing on the VR. I guess that's the problem of using other people's facilities to work in!
If reaper could go to 200%, i'd definately notice that however - a most welcome addition.
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12-06-2010, 08:18 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by vinx
yep, +1 for dual panning mode. We all want it because it's the usual way to pan two mono tracks on a mixingdesk when making stereo couple (overhead, stereo samples...
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Another +1.
Shane
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12-07-2010, 01:19 AM
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+1 for 200% possibility
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12-07-2010, 03:11 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Renan L.B
Here's what i've been hoping for V4 since the old days of FR requests regarding different Stereo Pan modes:
[IMG]http://img713.**************/img713/8529/pandream.png[/IMG]
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well, its finally here!
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12-07-2010, 04:04 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 70srocker
well, its finally here!
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Where?
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12-07-2010, 08:12 AM
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With pan and width I don´t see how I can pan a stereo sound fully left
(left channel 100% left, right channel 100% left for exemple ).
We need proper left and right channel separeted sliders, me thinks
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12-07-2010, 08:16 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jonyjazy
With pan and width I don´t see how I can pan a stereo sound fully left
(left channel 100% left, right channel 100% left for exemple ).
We need proper left and right channel separeted sliders, me thinks
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Use Stereo Pan mode, move width to 0% and pan 100% L.
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12-07-2010, 08:32 AM
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12-07-2010, 08:40 AM
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Thanks got it. But seems a little confusing to me.
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12-07-2010, 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by jonyjazy
Thanks got it. But seems a little confusing to me.
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It seems to be for some people, yeah. You just summed to mono (width 0%) and then panned that to the left. Once you understand how this thing works, it's pretty simple, trust me
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12-08-2010, 01:28 PM
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I seriously can't find the stereo width option anywhere. It's driving me bonkers. There is no "track layout" option in my track menu. There is no layout option when I right click the track. There is no panning behavior drop-down when I right lick the panning bar. Seriously, it's like you guys are using a different program than I am.
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12-08-2010, 01:43 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RobertAshley
I seriously can't find the stereo width option anywhere. It's driving me bonkers. There is no "track layout" option in my track menu. There is no layout option when I right click the track. There is no panning behavior drop-down when I right lick the panning bar. Seriously, it's like you guys are using a different program than I am.
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What version are you using?
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12-08-2010, 01:50 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Louie
What version are you using?
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Your response made me check the thread title, and now I feel like a complete idiot. I'm using ver. 3.73, and I found this thread in a search. All I'm trying to do is control the width of a stereo track so that it's not automatically panned to extremes, but I'm having no luck with the manual (or Google, apparently). Any tips? Thanks.
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12-08-2010, 01:55 PM
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Also, consider this: a link/unlink function for the dual panners. They could be linked at any position, and then be panned...and automated...in tandem. I've also seen reverse link, and variable percent link, but that might be difficult to impliment.
This is something like a simplified one button version of the parameter modulation on plugins.
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12-08-2010, 02:06 PM
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Would you guys please stop quoting Renan image. Please, I beg you, it make the thread completely unreadable.
And 1440 pixel wide image for a single fader lane, and most of it white space ? Seriously, WTF?
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12-08-2010, 02:35 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RobertAshley
Your response made me check the thread title, and now I feel like a complete idiot. I'm using ver. 3.73, and I found this thread in a search. All I'm trying to do is control the width of a stereo track so that it's not automatically panned to extremes, but I'm having no luck with the manual (or Google, apparently). Any tips? Thanks.
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Download the pre-release or use JS stereofield
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12-08-2010, 03:14 PM
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#115
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Originally Posted by musicbynumbers
And me too, perhaps a built in MS decoder mode too!
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+1 on bringing the M-S matrixing into the mixer instead of a plugin (regular M-S user).
Selecting the M-S mode would implement a sum and difference matrix and width by a balance (differential gain) control pre-matrix and position by stereo balance/pan post matrix.
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12-09-2010, 07:57 AM
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Please do it similar to to Cubase/Nuendo to visualize the panning mode(s) too! I absolutely have no clue what these "Pan modes" mean in REAPER!
Also why is "Pan mode" not available on the Master track?
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12-09-2010, 08:47 AM
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#117
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what do I need to do to see a width control in my own theme do I need another image in the theme - does anyone have the name off hand? hoping I don't have to do WALTER writing....
And my .02 - width + balance works for me, I find dual pan relatively confusing...
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12-09-2010, 08:56 AM
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#118
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dstruct
Please do it similar to to Cubase/Nuendo to visualize the panning mode(s) too! I absolutely have no clue what these "Pan modes" mean in REAPER!
Also why is "Pan mode" not available on the Master track?
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OMFG! +2000. Please lets do it this wayyyyyyyy.
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12-10-2010, 04:09 AM
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#119
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cannot figure panning
ok silly me.sused it.
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12-10-2010, 05:01 AM
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#120
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The width and pan mode as it is would be WAY easier for people to unserstand if there ws some visual representation of what was happening, but seperate left and right pan options would be good too. The only way to swap L and R over with the current implementation would be to have width go to -100 (does it do that? At work at the moment).
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