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Old 01-28-2017, 04:53 PM   #1
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Default Default_5.0_@2x Reaper Theme for HiDPI screens

v5.34pre releases include experimental functionality for the first steps towards Windows 8.1+ HiDPI support, and MacOS Retina support in Reaper.
Here is a rebuild of the Default 5.0 theme, for testing with that functionality.

edit: updated on Feb 15th 2017

Test with 5.34pre7 or later!

http://landoleet.org/dev/Default_5.0...ReaperThemeZip
  • Install the theme.
  • On Windows: Options > Preferences > General > Advanced UI/system tweaks > HiDPI mode. Restart REAPER.
  • Options > Themes > select Default_5.0_hidpi.

Its currently just the standard sized layouts, and has been produced for 200% scaling. Quality of appearance at other scales may or may not appear aggreeable to you. Both theme and the HiDPI functionality are very much a work in progress, but this is a good point to start testing. You'll find many things aren't correct yet, and while its probable that we know about many of them, please don't assume so; if its wrong then please do report it, there will be others

re: macOS Retina support -- note that it is only supporting Retina for the track panels, mixer, transport, toolbars, and tab controls. The arrange view and MIDI editor are still rendered at low resolution.
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Thanks a million White Tie, this is exciting news.
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(grin) LOoks kinda silly on my 15" laptop!
WT this is great news. Off to try it on my 2560x1440 monitor...
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Old 01-29-2017, 03:16 AM   #4
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No HiDPI mode option on Mac?
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Old 01-29-2017, 12:24 PM   #5
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I am not on 4K yet but I was also p-l-e-a-s-e-d, trust me! the future needs this so bad.
Curiously tried it on a 1080p eh-hehe must see now, must see now, can't wait to go HiDPI, oh maaaan!-worth it.
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Not seeing this option on macOS. Is it forthcoming?
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Old 01-31-2017, 12:47 PM   #7
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Now in 5.33pre8, there's some basic macOS Retina support -- note that it is only supporting Retina for the track panels, mixer, transport, toolbars, and tab controls. The arrange view and MIDI editor are still rendered at low resolution.

Here is the theme to use for macOS with retina displays:

http://landoleet.org/dev/Default_5.0...ReaperThemeZip

and use 5.33pre8 for macOS (which will be up shortly).

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Old 01-31-2017, 01:25 PM   #8
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Thanks, Justin!

I'm really looking forward to giving this a spin on my Retina machine when I get home tonight!
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Now in 5.33pre8, there's some basic macOS Retina support -- note that it is only supporting Retina for the track panels, mixer, transport, toolbars, and tab controls. The arrange view and MIDI editor are still rendered at low resolution.

Here is the theme to use for macOS with retina displays:

http://landoleet.org/dev/Default_5.0...ReaperThemeZip

and use 5.33pre8 for macOS (which will be up shortly).
AWESOME! It looks amazing, finally!! It's a huge improvement just to have this basic Retina support.

Is timecode on the toolbar supposed to be retina ready? The BPM section on the toolbar is out of place here.
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AWESOME! It looks amazing, finally!! It's a huge improvement just to have this basic Retina support.

Is timecode on the toolbar supposed to be retina ready? The BPM section on the toolbar is out of place here.
Ah yeah, fixing those
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Now in 5.33pre8, there's some basic macOS Retina support -- note that it is only supporting Retina for the track panels, mixer, transport, toolbars, and tab controls. The arrange view and MIDI editor are still rendered at low resolution.

Here is the theme to use for macOS with retina displays:

http://landoleet.org/dev/Default_5.0...ReaperThemeZip

and use 5.33pre8 for macOS (which will be up shortly).
Oh my! What an improvement

I seem to have to multiply the font size by 2, but presumably that's already known about.
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Old 01-31-2017, 04:42 PM   #12
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Beautiful!, small bug in the TCP:

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Oh my! What an improvement

I seem to have to multiply the font size by 2, but presumably that's already known about.
macOS or Windows? Which font? The themes should have them adjusted, unless we missed some...
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pre9 posted, should fix a bunch of random macOS retina things...
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pre9 posted, should fix a bunch of random macOS retina things...
Perfect! As far as my usage go, pretty much all is great now.

Quick question, all external windows like Region Manager or Render to File and such are not retina. Are those hard to make them retina? It's mostly just text but I have no idea if that's easy to implement or not.

There's a graphic error on the wet/dry knob now, nothing huge but not sure if you noticed. https://sdbmastering.com/download/reaper_McwwdG.png. The non GUI plugin view is also messed up: https://sdbmastering.com/download/reaper2_lD73l8.png

Plugin windows (like Region Manager, Render to File...) are not retina yet, maybe all of these bugs are because of that?
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macOS or Windows? Which font? The themes should have them adjusted, unless we missed some...
macOS 10.12.2
REAPER v5.33pre9/64 rev 1a9270
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v5 default theme, 13pt


New 'retina' theme, 26pt
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I work on 2560x1440 monitor, 200% scaling is too big.
Please make a theme with 130% scaling.
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Please make a theme with 130% scaling.
For an application to be scalable to arbitrary ratios with no blur, its GUI should be based on vector graphics. I’m not sure (or even doubt) Reaper’s theming capabilities include this currently.
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@Justin - what does "Multimonitor aware (experimental)" option do (in Advanced UI/System tweaks)?

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For an application to be scalable to arbitrary ratios with no blur, its GUI should be based on vector graphics. I’m not sure (or even doubt) Reaper’s theming capabilities include this currently.
I think HDWind can get what he wants with the scaling option in Advanced UI/System tweaks, set it to 1.3.
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@Justin - what does "Multimonitor aware (experimental)" option do (in Advanced UI/System tweaks)?
AFAICT, the entire HiDPI setting in Reaper currently do nothing except just making Reaper to run in corresponding formal DPI mode. So with the “Multimonitor aware” option, Reaper most likely just declares itself as per-monitor DPI-aware while not actually handling the corresponding WM_DPICHANGED event that needs to be handled for the application to be per-monitor DPI-aware. So “Multimonitor aware” is most likely currently effectively identical to just “Aware” that disables OS-powered blurry scaling.

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I think HDWind can get what he wants with the scaling option in Advanced UI/System tweaks, set it to 1.3.
Such scaling is currently buggy and incomplete. Btw, I’m not sure how this option is going to correlate to themes oriented to specific zoom levels like 200%.

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Btw, I’m not sure how this option is going to correlate to themes oriented to specific zoom levels like 200%.
Same, just use a lower percentage. So, to scale from 200% to 130%, you would use 1/1.3=0.769.
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Scaling to other sizes is indeed possible. For now, along with the other layouts and other in-theme size layouts (small and large), I'm holding off because it would be a great deal of grunt work that would be more wisely tackled once the details are nailed down as to whether this is going to happen, how this is going to happen, and how I should best approach it.

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Indeed, and that's assuming a vector renderer with smooth curve rendering, classy antialiasing, an understanding of things like pixel boundary snapping and line-weight visual optimisation for when the scaling is anywhere near the visible-pixel level. Reaper uses Cockos' LICE (lightweight image compositing engine) which is resolutely designed as a lightweight (as the name suggests) and very high-performance image engine. Its vector drawing looks like what it is : optimised for efficiency rather than beauty.

I would be very supportive of Reaper being able to parse an SVG, and then draw it beautifully at size using a (possibly entirely new) graphics engine. The former would be a little pointless without the latter; and the latter would be a very, very big feature request that could also be argued to run contrary to the principles of the REAPER project. My expectation is that, making realistic assumptions, the likelihood of that is very low.

The bitmap-based approach will cover a lot of ground for a lot of HiDPI users, I'm optimistic hopeful that the lack of arbitrary-scale perfection will be something the majority of users will be OK with.
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Scaling to other sizes is indeed possible. For now, along with the other layouts and other in-theme size layouts (small and large), I'm holding off because it would be a great deal of grunt work that would be more wisely tackled once the details are nailed down as to whether this is going to happen, how this is going to happen, and how I should best approach it.



Indeed, and that's assuming a vector renderer with smooth curve rendering, classy antialiasing, an understanding of things like pixel boundary snapping and line-weight visual optimisation for when the scaling is anywhere near the visible-pixel level. Reaper uses Cockos' LICE (lightweight image compositing engine) which is resolutely designed as a lightweight (as the name suggests) and very high-performance image engine. Its vector drawing looks like what it is : optimised for efficiency rather than beauty.

I would be very supportive of Reaper being able to parse an SVG, and then draw it beautifully at size using a (possibly entirely new) graphics engine. The former would be a little pointless without the latter; and the latter would be a very, very big feature request that could also be argued to run contrary to the principles of the REAPER project. My expectation is that, making realistic assumptions, the likelihood of that is very low.

The bitmap-based approach will cover a lot of ground for a lot of HiDPI users, I'm optimistic hopeful that the lack of arbitrary-scale perfection will be something the majority of users will be OK with.
Heck. I'm happy with the latest beta already! Scaling would be nice but is not essential to me.
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I work on 2560x1440 monitor, 200% scaling is too big.
Please make a theme with 130% scaling.
Did you try this(for 2x theme of course): https://stash.reaper.fm/v/29709/screen.JPG ?
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You'll want to fix that link
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I work on 2560x1440 monitor, 200% scaling is too big.
Please make a theme with 130% scaling.
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For an application to be scalable to arbitrary ratios with no blur, its GUI should be based on vector graphics. I’m not sure (or even doubt) Reaper’s theming capabilities include this currently.
It should be possible to provide (satisfactory) intermediate scaling options by the devs. Scaling the assets down (200% -> 130%) should be relatively easy to do with good results.
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...and is already possible.
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It should be possible to provide (satisfactory) intermediate scaling options by the devs. Scaling the assets down (200% -> 130%) should be relatively easy to do with good results.
Good point, scaling an image down from higher resolution could look acceptably sharp. Though for themes based on multiple images supposed to interjoin seamlessly, such scaling can potentially result in an image looking not quite seamless (compared with pixel-perfect interjoining of theme parts at 100% scale) depending on how the graphics engine deals with theming and scaling.
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Yep, you're right. Thanks!
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You'll find many things aren't correct yet, and while its probable that we know about many of them, please don't assume so; if its wrong then please do report it
The following parts of MIDI-editor window are apparently unscaled (see red ellipses):



Also, scrollbars and zoom +/- icons are blurry (apparently upscaled from lower resolution graphics).

Tested with the latest 5.34pre7 and the updated unified HiDPI theme.
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My custom theme has very blurred MCP pan knobs as if very badly scaled in v5.34pre7
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Here is a rebuild of the Default 5.0 theme
Could you share the source vector images used for creating the 2x theme? Thanks.
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Is there an ETA on when the timeline will be Hi-DPI ready? I'm loving this theme already. The biggest eyesore is the text on the media items and on the time ruler. If those can be adjusted to support the new Hi-DPI theme, that would make my life.

The waveforms have never really looked like they needed adjusting. With the antialiased peak and waveform drawing enabled, they look smooth as can be. It's really just the fonts that I'm hoping can be adjusted.

Thanks again White Tie and Justin. This has been great to use so far!
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Looks like HiDPI in Reaper is suspended in favor of the new “Automation items” feature.

It’s a shame given that the HiDPI feature was already almost finished and basically just needed some polishing while finishing the “Automation items” feature is probably much more complicated and time-consuming.
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It will come up eventually, don't worry.
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Eventually, Cubase and Sonar will support HiDPI too. ;-)
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That would be a matter of opinion.
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will this theme ever be completed? I just got a MacBookPro and it would be nice to have it all nice and stuff
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