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+ Actions: toggle displaying labels above media items, toggle autoscroll during recording
+ Actions: toggle moving edit cursor on time selection change, or to end of new recording
+ API: added GetMouseModifier (find the current mouse modifier assignment for a given context/modifier keys)
+ Added user preference for vertical text to be bottom-up vs the (now default) top-down
+ MIDI editor: no longer send excess noteoffs when closing the midi editor window
+ MIDI editor: support drawing/moving CC events on one channel over existing CC events on another channel
+ Project Bay: fixed restoring missing media files
+ ReaVerb: fixed ZL mode on short impulses
+ Scale Finder: dialog for finding scales that contain a given set of notes
+ Theming: improved align attribute on vertical text areas, improved track name editing on vertical label
+ Toolbar: main toolbar can be mirrored as a floating toolbar tab
+ Toolbar: support for up to 8 floating toolbar tabs, plus 4 MIDI-only tabs
+ Toolbar: fixed updating button state for mixer and other window visibility
+ Windows: added experimental WASAPI output mode (needs Windows Vista+)
+ Windows: improved WDM KS i/o mode
+ Windows: improvements to WaveOut (MME) and DirectSound i/o mode (better latency calculation, etc)
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The scale finder crashes reaper instantly here. I'm also still having a lot of trouble with the wacom that was never an issue before the last few betas.
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Ah, something's broken there ... hang on, fixing, will update the build shortly.
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Old 03-19-2011, 11:13 AM   #4
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v4.0alpha55 - March 19 2011
+ Actions: toggle displaying labels above media items, toggle autoscroll during recording
+ Actions: toggle moving edit cursor on time selection change, or to end of new recording
+ API: added GetMouseModifier (find the current mouse modifier assignment for a given context/modifier keys)
+ Added user preference for vertical text to be bottom-up vs the (now default) top-down
+ MIDI editor: no longer send excess noteoffs when closing the midi editor window
+ MIDI editor: support drawing/moving CC events on one channel over existing CC events on another channel
+ Project Bay: fixed restoring missing media files
+ ReaVerb: fixed ZL mode on short impulses
+ Scale Finder: dialog for finding scales that contain a given set of notes
+ Theming: improved align attribute on vertical text areas, improved track name editing on vertical label
+ Toolbar: main toolbar can be mirrored as a floating toolbar tab
+ Toolbar: support for up to 8 floating toolbar tabs, plus 4 MIDI-only tabs
+ Toolbar: fixed updating button state for mixer and other window visibility
+ Windows: added experimental WASAPI output mode (needs Windows Vista+)
+ Windows: improved WDM KS i/o mode
+ Windows: improvements to WaveOut (MME) and DirectSound i/o mode (better latency calculation, etc)
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Get in!

Edit: Oh dear, spoke too soon. This is not the docked floating toolbar implementation you are looking for.
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Sounds like a great bunch of stuff there devs, thanks!
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The scale finder crashes reaper instantly here.
Although it did have a dumb bug, it wasn't crashing here. What OS are you on?

[edit] do you have a ton of .reascales loaded? In any case, we'll put an updated build up.

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Holy KOWZERS! more tabs! everywhere... OMFG! my prayers have been heard! guess I'll wait for the 55a build fix?
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+ Windows: added experimental WASAPI output mode (needs Windows Vista+)
THANK YOU A TON! I requested this a long time ago and was hoping it would eventually make it in. No more using ASIO4ALL!

That makes this update a big one for me.

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+ Scale Finder: dialog for finding scales that contain a given set of notes

+ Toolbar: main toolbar can be mirrored as a floating toolbar tab
+ Toolbar: support for up to 8 floating toolbar tabs, plus 4 MIDI-only tabs
Nice stuff, can't wait to try it.

I wish we could batch detect the scale (ionian/aeolian) of MIDI files and write it into the comments or file name. MIDI transpose for the media explorer would also be helpful here.

MIDI input for the scale finder would be great too, if it doesn't have it already.

Great improvements to the toolbars. Having to manually recreate the main toolbar was always a PITA.



I wonder what this WASAPI business is? Guess I'll have to google it.
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http://mark-dot-net.blogspot.com/200...th-wasapi.html
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I wonder what this WASAPI business is? Guess I'll have to google it.
WASAPI is like CoreAudio, but for Vista/Windows 7. It's basically the new Windows built-in low latency driver mode, and actually works as well as ASIO most of the time. Very few hosts support it(Sonar and Studio One are the only ones I know before this).

So you don't have to use ASIO4ALL on your laptop any more, for instance.

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So you don't have to use ASIO4ALL on your laptop any more, for instance.
You say that as if ASIO4ALL completely sucks.
So.... what would be the differences then?
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WASAPI is like CoreAudio, but for Vista/Windows 7. It's basically the new Windows built-in low latency driver mode, and actually works as well as ASIO most of the time. Very few hosts support it(Sonar and Studio One are the only ones I know before this).

So you don't have to use ASIO4ALL on your laptop any more, for instance.

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Nice. Unfortunately my laptop is XP so no help there, but since my dang video card overlaps my PCI slot I haven't been able to use my Delta1010 and have just been using the built in sound on my desktop with ASIO4ALL.

Often ASIO4ALL gets screwed up so I have to switch to another mode, so a decent low-latency alternative is a great thing to see!
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OK, the build is back up.
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You say that as if ASIO4ALL completely sucks.
So.... what would be the differences then?
ASIO4ALL isn't an actual ASIO driver. It's a middle man between your interface and the WDM drivers. WASAPI is built-in to Windows, like CoreAudio is with Mac.

ASIO4ALL does it's job in helping you to bypass some of the bottlenecks that the WDM driver can create, but it's still a middle man.

Just like with having a 32-bit plugin wrapper in a 64-bit host, it's great to have and it works, but I would prefer a 64-bit plug-in.

I didn't say that ASIO4ALL sucked(though it's obviously not preferred to a full interface with ASIO drivers), but just that WASAPI was more ideal. Also, WASAPI can actually be used with an interface if it supports the driver model, but I don't know of many that do.

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ok, nice one - thanks for the info.

I knew about the limitations of ASIO4ALL, but I'm a noob with WASAPI, that's all.

Cool - bring it on then!
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scale finder seems to be working now. That will be super handy
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scale finder seems to be working now. That will be super handy
dummy here... plz where is this and how to use it?

also... very happy about the added tabs for toolbars, but also a little dissappointed that we don't have tabs directly in the midi editor for more tool bars there... but have not played with setting this up yet so maybe too soon to really know...
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EDIT... OK never mind... got it sorted... just had to do some text editing of the files...


so... let's say I open the midi editor, and take the toolbar I have made there and export it.. to a name like MIDI 1 and then want to load that into the normal floating toolbar slot for MIDI 1...

it does not seem to accept it as such... do I have to change the name, or edit a text file or what? Hopefully don't have to remake it all from scratch???
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so... let's say I open the midi editor, and take the toolbar I have made there and export it.. to a name like MIDI 1 and then want to load that into the normal floating toolbar slot for MIDI 1...
We could add MIDI toolbar mirroring similar to how you can mirror the main toolbar, but that probably isn't really what you want.

If you mean how can you move your customized MIDI toolbar to a floating tab as a one-time thing, you could do this by editing reaper-menu.ini. I think all you need to do is find [MIDI piano roll toolbar] in that file and change it to [Floating MIDI toolbar 1]. Make a copy of reaper-menu.ini before you start messing with it though!
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Really really bad design
Was a bad design when you originally decided to make each toolbar a tab of the same view, it is even worse now that you have added an extra 6 tabs
Each should be its own view so it can be docked anywhere
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Really really bad design
Was a bad design when you originally decided to make each toolbar a tab of the same view, it is even worse now that you have added an extra 6 tabs
Each should be its own view so it can be docked anywhere
I was going to say the same thing. They need to be able to be docked separately, it is very poorly laid our now. Each floating toolbar should be it's own window. The "show floating toolbars" action could open a floating docker with all of them docked but you should be able to grab each tab and move them anywhere you want so you can see two toolbars at a time.
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Although I wouldn't go so far as to say it's a bad design (since I use a separate small touchscreen just as a toolbar with the option to toggle between each set of tools)

but I too would really love to see the ability to have more than one floating toolbar as being able to have a few things dock on one side of the screen and have an additional floating toolbar docked with them with just actions relating to those docked windows would be really powerful.

Plus I don't think I can yet have my floating toolbar positioned on one screen and still have a floating pop up one too right?
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Default + Actions: support for midi PC assignments to actions

What's this one do? I'm intrigued!

EDIT: AH!!! program change! that's very cool!
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This is broken here i think
It just pops up a horizontal box for you to fill out here
I suspect it is supposed to show you the text box to fill in vertically right ?
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Default Floating toolbar again... I wonder

again great to see the new tabs, thank YOU!

Now I keep my FTB docked in the main tcp window just under the transport at the top of the screen...

You know how in the normal main toolbar and also in the midi editor toolbar, we can have it show two rows of icons instead of just a long single row?

Is that possible for the floating TB's as well?

I don't seem to find a way to do this by draggind the docked FTB to be taller...

I ask because in my midi editor, the icons live on a dbl row and just fit, but when in the MIDI 1 of the FTB, they run out in a very long single row and don't really fit on the screen now.
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This is broken here i think
It just pops up a horizontal box for you to fill out here
I suspect it is supposed to show you the text box to fill in vertically right ?
Actually that's exactly what I expected since I can't write vertical texts very well and it makes me feel dizzy. It's perfect to me.
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WASAPI working fine so far here. I like how I can have low latency AND have other programs sharing the audio driver at the same time.

Toolbar improvements are nice, but still a little quirky. When I right-click on the main toolbar, I'm given the option to hide the floating mirror, but not the main toolbar itself.

I think I agree with what Gpunk is saying. Rather than one big dockable toolbar, with endless tabs, I think multiple toolbar docks would be better.

This could be similar to how the dockers work now, and allow you to drag toolbar tabs between locations allowing more flexibility to set things up how you like...


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When previewing in the Media Explorer and doing save as, the driver remains closed and I can't resume previewing in the ME until the main playback is started again.
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Default + Scale Finder: dialog for finding scales that contain a given set of notes

Think that would be interesting if you could set it to reset on the last note input being released

That way you could have it open and use it as an indicator in a very fast way.

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We could add MIDI toolbar mirroring similar to how you can mirror the main toolbar, but that probably isn't really what you want.

If you mean how can you move your customized MIDI toolbar to a floating tab as a one-time thing, you could do this by editing reaper-menu.ini. I think all you need to do is find [MIDI piano roll toolbar] in that file and change it to [Floating MIDI toolbar 1]. Make a copy of reaper-menu.ini before you start messing with it though!

Yes thank you... I did get it figured out.. and yes it's a text editor task... had to first save the empty MIDI 1 FTB to a new file to see what it wanted for a name and title in the text file.


It must be a bitch as a dev, giving us these new functions and then having 'us' start noticing things we would rather have about how they might work... I hope you don't mind at least listening... I see others haveing similar thoughts about how the FTB's could be displayed... I'll say more in other post...

thanks again for all your work!
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Actually that's exactly what I expected since I can't write vertical texts very well and it makes me feel dizzy. It's perfect to me.
Actually no disrespect meant here but if you find it hard to write text vertically, that would hint at the fact you find it hard to read vertically, so why have vertical names

The thruth of the matter is that vertical names have been added to allow better (Longer) naming conventions right, but that is negated by having to fill them out horizontally, especially if you are just trying to add something to an already named track and it is vastly wider than the horizontal text box that appears

OK a good compromise solution for this would be that the floating horizontal text input box was to be the same length as the vertical box (Even if it overlapped onto other tracks, it is only for entering names)
Currently it is chopped off each side by the bounds of a single MCP panel boundary
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Actually no disrespect meant here but if you find it hard to write text vertically, that would hint at the fact you find it hard to read vertically, so why have vertical names
I read my mixer labels, not the TCP ones. Why not write in the mixer then? Because it's easier/faster for me on the TCP. Why a small TCP with vertical labels then? Because I like to save screen space.

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OK a good compromise solution for this would be that the floating horizontal text input box was to be the same length as the vertical box (Even if it overlapped onto other tracks, it is only for entering names)
Currently it is chopped off each side by the bounds of a single MCP panel boundary
Yeah, that sounds great.
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There is also inconsistency here in the name labels too
MCP the text gets centered
TCP text is left justified
Just looks so Reaper....Oh wait
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All actions "Toolbar: Open floating toolbar [n] at mouse cursor" won't work for me anymore.

Actions "Toolbar: Open floating MIDI toolbar [n]" and "Toolbar: Open floating MIDI toolbar [n] at mouse cursor" need to be available in the MIDI editor, Inline editor and MIDI Event List sections of the action list.

I am also for a possibility to split up the toolbar tabs into separate dock/floatable sections. Personally I'd like to have a docked toolbar and still work with an additional floating toolbar spawning at the mouse.
Also helpful for me would be to scroll through the tabs with the mousewheel.


Thanks for the CC drawing update. I found the following bug:

- draw some CC events on ch1
- draw some CC events on ch2, moving the mouse from right to left

=> CC events on ch1 will be edited as events on ch 2 are drawn

expected: events on ch1 stay untouched.



drawing from left to right works as expected. Also, drawing ch1 over existing ch2 events works in both directions.

Marquee selecting individual channels would be nice . The current draw channel should be displayed top level. Also, while editing selected events on one channel, the events of other channels are invisible until mouse up:




Btw. MCP track labels centered vs TCP left alligned makes perfect sense to me. It can be waltered, but I wouldn't.

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I for one don't really care to have the FTB's pop up at the mouse positions... I keep them docked at the top of the tcp, just below the transport...

with that said, I wonder a few things:

1- it don't make perfect sense to me to have the midi ftb's in that main floating TB... why not have them in the midi editior itself???

reasoning is that now that we have so much progress with being able to open midi items in the same ME, along with the filter, it is in the ME itself where I want to access other midi related functions that have been iconized to a toolbar... you see? All in the same window, not having to jump from the ME window to a FTB outside the ME window...


2- again, for example in the main toolbar and in the midi ed. toolbar, it can sized to show a double row of icons.. very nice feature.. but in the FTB's I can't do this so when there are more icons in a given FTB that fit on one row in one monitor screen, they become lost and hidden off to the right...

So, it would be nice to be able to just drag the FTB when docked so that a dbl row of icons can be displayed. right?

I really appreciate the progress and hope for these few changes to bring it really into focus.
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wow... what a kewl idea... now I wonder about once you have found a set of scales that fit or match your notes... how about being able to dbl clk the scale name and have that become the choice in the midi editor? seems like a logical thing to have happen, no?

OH and while on this subject... how about making the field in the ME where the scale name is displayed quite longer... If we are using some of the recently made reascale files, long names get cut off in that display...

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nice one! thanks devs!!

how about getting rid of the main toolbar since we can display it inside the floating toolbar now?
maybe as an option. i have my floating toolbar always docked on top of the main window and don´t really need the "old" main toolbar anymore it seems.
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Old 03-19-2011, 02:27 PM   #39
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v4.0alpha55 - March 19 2011

+ Scale Finder: dialog for finding scales that contain a given set of notes
Where is this please?
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Old 03-19-2011, 02:32 PM   #40
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The thruth of the matter is that vertical names have been added to allow better (Longer) naming conventions right, but that is negated by having to fill them out horizontally, especially if you are just trying to add something to an already named track and it is vastly wider than the horizontal text box that appears

OK a good compromise solution for this would be that the floating horizontal text input box was to be the same length as the vertical box (Even if it overlapped onto other tracks, it is only for entering names)
Currently it is chopped off each side by the bounds of a single MCP panel boundary
I agree on this. I have a very narrow mixer track layout with vertical labels and the text input box shows me a single letter . Renaming those feels like working through a microscope .
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