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Old 10-31-2014, 11:11 AM   #1
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Default maudlin, sensitive, sappy and romantic

Contribute your throbby lyrics here.
Or recordings, like samD gave us.
Garrick? Jerome? Ted? Gary? Anybody?
Folkies? Country pickers? Old-timey types?
Jorgen, Hamish, Ozbald?
Any really softie metalheads out there? Suleiman?
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Old 10-31-2014, 11:13 AM   #2
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Default msore's maudlin song

Here is mine, written this morning. Now working on melody and chords.

Back and Forth Blame

What is to blame for the sweet pickle we are stuck in?
What are the reasons for our never having struck out?
Out of all the mud puddles we could've dirtied up,
how was ours not messed up by doubt?

Blame the classroom where you sat in front of me,
blame the Halloween when you made fun of me.
Maybe it's partly the fault
of the way these two hearts
made such harmony.

What should we blame for our libidinous bliss?
Was it the very first or is it today's kiss?
How can you and I two such outcasts
outlast the odds against taking this risk?

Blame how your clothes fit and what that implies,
blame my steely eyes for being so magnetized.
The quick and long history
of avoiding any chastity
has us quite harmonized.

Was it the traveling, or was it the children?
Or the fertile foundation of simple living?
Could've been the sweet tooth or some other addiction
that drove us as far as we've been driven.

I will blame you
you can blame me
whether we agree or not.
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Old 10-31-2014, 11:36 AM   #3
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I will blame you
you can blame me
whether we agree or not.
Very good. Not sure I get it 100 %, but it hit me, kind of.
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Old 10-31-2014, 12:31 PM   #4
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you can feel the dancehall bouncin
from fifty feet away
cowboy girls flouncin
lookin prettier every day
and see the lovely lady
starin through the smoke
you can read in her expression
maybe dread and maybe hope

.
it might be her old lover
but she cant be real sure
cause she didnt bring her glasses
and the light is awful poor

.
be sure to bring your glassses
anywhere you go
cause he just might pop up anywhere
you never ever know

.
she knows that he still loves her
and he'll never be quite free
but she hopes he's got it fiugured out
she's got nothin that he needs
and why she keeps on starin
at strangers through the gloom
she's just wonderin if it might be him
across that crowded room

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but you know you just dont care now
you're done with him for sure
you know you shouldnt stare now
but the light is awful poor
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I'm busy having a fight msore. otherwise i'd be all in
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Old 10-31-2014, 01:57 PM   #6
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Hmph. I don't do lyrics.

Also, possibly the best lyricist around here ever was Wadosy. Of course he was also a terrible alcoholic and pissed off lots of people.

Oh well, at least we still have Garrick and Jorgen

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Old 10-31-2014, 03:30 PM   #7
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Just about every song on my album was maudlin. But I'll choose my song December Something. It was Christmas and I wanted to write a Christmas song but I can only write really sad tunes, so I wrote a song about a couple facing their first Christmas since the death of their child.

Enjoy!

https://dreamofsleeping.bandcamp.com...mber-something

When you go away
I'll come with you, ok?
I'll hold open the door but i'm not letting go of your arm

The drink's wearing off
I'll carry you up
It's quarter to 12 and I've no way to persuade time to stop

Oh I don't know what I can tell you
When you look like you'd break if I held you
It's too soon

There's sleet on the ground
And that deafening sound
Is a heart beat that desperately needs to escape this routine

It's Thursday again
December something
Lets pretend that the kids are pretending to sleep listening in

Oh I don't know what I can tell you
When you look like you'd break if I held you
It's too soon to tell
If the directions we fell
Left us close enough to touch
Or were our hands ripped apart
Like paper dolls cut up
It's too often thought but never said
If you forget
I'll forget

I made a list of my regrets
I closed my eyes is it over yet?
I got your note but I can't reply
It's cold in the water and it's more then I can stand
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I'm busy having a fight msore. otherwise i'd be all in
Well, sure. AFTER the fight is the time to write it!
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Old 10-31-2014, 04:08 PM   #9
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be sure to bring your glassses
anywhere you go
cause he just might pop up anywhere
you never ever know
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I made a list of my regrets
I closed my eyes is it over yet?
I got your note but I can't reply
It's cold in the water and it's more then I can stand
Both are good because they combine humor, pathos, cleverness and raw truth.
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Old 10-31-2014, 04:43 PM   #10
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... Also, possibly the best lyrcist around here ever was Wadosy.
I agree, he was something else. Some of his lines were out of this world.
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Old 10-31-2014, 05:35 PM   #11
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Default My favorite maudlin lines:

"Out of all the mud puddles we could've dirtied up,
how was ours not messed up by doubt?"

"from fifty feet away
cowboy girls flouncin"
(just picturing it was enough)

"There's sleet on the ground
And that deafening sound
Is a heart beat that desperately needs to escape this routine"
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Old 10-31-2014, 07:14 PM   #12
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Sam, put the lyrics from your last one up here, if that's okay.
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Old 10-31-2014, 07:26 PM   #13
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so this it
i know that i'm not welcome here
(please don't slam the door)
ignoring worked
i'm packing all my things to go
(time to disappear)
You don't know the difference
of "mean" and "being real"

(time to close it up)
and let it all go
(to me it seems abrupt)
but you've always known

(i've heard your secret plans)
and they don't fit mine
(you'll never understand)
or is it just my kind?

i won't be missed
but neither will the things you say
(a benefit to both)

i must insist
i had the best intentions here
(but things got turned around)

no matter what i say
it's taken the wrong way

time to close it up
and let it all go
to me it seems abrupt
but you've always known
i've heard your secret plans
and they don't fit mine
you'll never understand
is it just my kind?

so this is all
enjoyed my stay for what it's worth
i even had a laugh

are you happy now?
i sincerely hope you are
then i have done my deed

this thing has gotten old
i lay my hands and fold

time to close it up
and let it all go
to me it seems abrupt
but you've always known
i've heard your secret plans
and they don't fit mine
you'll never understand
is it just my kind?

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Old 10-31-2014, 07:31 PM   #14
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Default love makes great songs (and shitty ones too)

How many of us have been embarrassed and then crushed by the great lyrics in such maudlin songs as -->

When a Man Loves a Woman (Percy Sledge)
Love Me Tender (Elvis)
When I Fall In Love (Nat King Cole, and the Lettermen)
Til There Was You (Music Man)
At Last (Etta James)
Crazy (Willie Nelson - sung by Patsy)
Midnight Train to Georgia (Gladys Knight)
You Can't Take That Away from Me (by the famous [?!] Akers and Weaver)

and the incomparable ...

Just Another Silly Love Song (by Paul McC)

[edit] That last one was a slam, not serious. Sorry. Or maybe a reminder that maudlin can be deadly.
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Well, sure. AFTER the fight is the time to write it!
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Hmph. I don't do lyrics.

Also, possibly the best lyricist around here ever was Wadosy. Of course he was also a terrible alcoholic and pissed off lots of people.

Oh well, at least we still have Garrick and Jorgen
haha. yay.

interesting you say that about wadosy. Jens is a pretty nifty lyricist and also pisses lots of people off, in a smug prick kinda way.

interesting.

interesting indeed.

*Jens if you're reading this, i'm sorry you have to find out this way. I'm sure you're a darling little kitten when no ones looking

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No lovey dovey lyrics on my plate at the moment msore but I did quick cover of a Keith sykes song "Coast of Marseilles"

https://app.box.com/s/lysqm8jm7bmhp8ym6q5q
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i got some songs about old men from 30 or 40 years ago, generally sympathetic...

now that I'm an old man myself, I don't like them

they sound like self-pity, maudlin...

for instance...

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his fingers wave in endless circles when he talks now
his big old voice has turned into a croak
his heart is just as big as it ever was
but I sure do hate to see his spirit brok

it aint fun to count all those busted dreams
and hard luck schemes that seemed so good back then
bout all he's got to show for a gool old fashioned try
is some memories and a couple good old friends
.

it's a combination of hard livin and hard women
made him what you see sittin there today
if he'd played it a little bit safer he'd be a different man today
but he wasn't wone to play the game that way
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this old bar is pretty much his home now
it's better than that eight by ten room
forgotten hopes hangin with the cobwebs on the wall
nothing left cept to drink up the afternoon
.

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I don't know... maybe it's okay to write cornball songs if it's clear they're about somebody else, but if they turn out to be about you, that's not so good

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Good lyrics. No, really good, Flick.

Just pretend that they are about someone else. And a lot of someone elses will identify with em.
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thanks, msore

i'll record those songs when I get a handle on new equipment... I may have the final version of the wiring done... I hope so, only one cable left


meanwhile, if anyone wants to put music to any of that stuff, have at it

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This thread is a good read. Thanks msore.
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hard livin, hard women... lyrics above

https://soundcloud.com/wadosy/hard-livin-hard-women

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learned a couple things I should not have had to lern again...

first, you can do "save output" as an MP3... I missed that option before

second, this behringer fca1616 has input inserts... I'd forgotten you can use input inserts as direct outs... google it... but it boils down to inserting a normal 1/4 inch mono cable one click, or using a TRS plug with the tip and ring terminals soldered together..., you can plug that in all the way

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there's a lot wrong with this performance.. if you want to rub it in, feel free

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hard livin, hard women... lyrics above

https://soundcloud.com/wadosy/hard-livin-hard-women

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learned a couple things I should not have had to lern again...

first, you can do "save output" as an MP3... I missed that option before

second, this behringer fca1616 has input inserts... I'd forgotten you can use input inserts as direct outs... google it... but it boils down to inserting a normal 2/4 inch mono cable one click, or using a TRS plug with the tip and ring terminals soldered together..., you can plug that in all the way

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there's a lot wrong with this performance.. if you want to rub it in, feel free
Hey man, whatever might be wrong with this performance, I don't feel like 'rubbing it in', I'd rather say that your band sounds pretty OK, and the tune too. Best produced thing I've heard from you.
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Hey ...Best produced...


thanks, Hamish...

makes a big difference to be able to tweak the FX after you've recorded a track

...but everybody's playing straight through from beginning to end... I got to learn how to arrange

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have you listened to blake shelton's "neon light"?... one chord, D, all the way... how'd they do that? ...easy to play along with, though

a heartbreak song that's a million miles from maudlin
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This [wip, ways to go yet]] somewhat ballad [verses] + R&B [choruses] I left the jam part at the finish, duplicated leads etc [last 30 secs] as is atm

Maudlin? idk.


https://app.box.com/s/l69s032xuajgkljg0mz2

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I think with the rompin' guitar wranglin' it can't be maudlin for very long... hmm, can you channel some Garry Moore maybe?
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I think with the rompin' guitar wranglin' it can't be maudlin for very long... hmm, can you channel some Garry Moore maybe?
Well hopefully [I wish], very good suggestion, G Moore was fantastic at that [yes of course he was quite good at channelling Gary Moore inc sentimental vibes in rock format as well] Corridors of Power album for example, I will keep that in mind, thanks Hamish.
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HE FORGOT HER AT THE DROP OF A SMILE
TOOK THE PLANE TO FORTUNE AND FAME
AND THE LIMO DOWN THE MIRACLE MILE
THERE WAS A WORLD TO CONQUER AND TAME


SHE LOOKED FOR THE PIECES OF HER BROKEN HEART
AS SHE WATCHED HIM LEAVE THE DUSTY LITTLE TOWN
AND FOUND THAT HE’D LEFT WITH THE BIGGEST PART
AND THAT’S WHEN HER WORLD CAME DOWN
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Hey flick (wadosy?) - heartbreak can be maudlin as long as there is a hint of better days coming. In fact I think Gary Moore did a bunch of songs like that (You Can't Fool the Blues). Always looking for the silver lining and a better day.

On the other hand, the down in the dumps songs that are hopeless to the point of pure desperation - those are not mauldin. Like real blues songs - Stone's Satisfaction, and R Johnson's Hellhound.
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...Always looking for the silver lining and a better day...
we seem to be a maudlin species with delusions of grandeur

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Selena Gomez - The Heart Wants What It Wants

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ij_0p_6qTss

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the effects on that song are breathtaking... makes you momentarily glad to be human
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Selena Gomez - The Heart Wants What It Wants
Not very human at all. Very teenage. Very celebrity. Very staged. Sorry. This is not romantic. This is soap opera - loaded up with superficiality, repetition, flatness and exaggeration.

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have you listened to blake shelton's "neon light"?... one chord, D, all the way... how'd they do that? ...easy to play along with, though

a heartbreak song that's a million miles from maudlin
How many songs has he done like this? OMG. Easy is right. Formula.

Here is a great romantic song, done in heartfelt simplicity, combining universality with imagination. And melody. And songwriting. And heart-string-yankin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9Mse62NFl4

This one is campy-maudlin, and somehow - in spite of its faults - it is touching.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yAbOpiAKi8

Another by the king when he was the king. He was one mauldlin mother!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FO9GgysXlw
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Not very human at all. Very teenage. Very celebrity. Very staged. Sorry. This is not romantic. This is soap opera - loaded up with superficiality, repetition, flatness and exaggeration.
when the marketing people are aiming her at teenage American girls, what can you expect?

for those of you who believe in the ultimate light at the end of the tunnel, the effects on this song are what heaven sounds like

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when the marketing people are aiming her at teenage American girls, what can you expect?
But that is what robs it, sucks it dry, and leaves it pretending to be romantic when it is "aimed" packaged vacuousness.

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But that is what robs it, sucks it dry, and leaves it pretending to be romantic when it is "aimed" packaged vacuousness.

sez me.
well, that's why you got to learn to ignore the words and the pictures... just listen to heaven...

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I wonder wht these little girls are up to... surely they see this stuff for what it is...

you got to wonder if they see the handwriting and will do whatever it takes to pile up enough cash to ... what? ...rent land from the gush family in jparaguay?
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anyhow, here's that glasses song, "the light is awful poor"

https://soundcloud.com/wadosy/light-is-awful-poor
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well, that's why you got to learn to ignore the words and the pictures... just listen to heaven...

I wonder wht these little girls are up to... surely they see this stuff for what it is...

you got to wonder if they see the handwriting and will do whatever it takes to pile up enough cash to ... what? ...rent land from the gush family in jparaguay?
yeah. Money fools the best as well as the worst of us. And style too. That's about money, in a consumerist way. It is painfully hard for young people to see beyond the style they have chosen to follow. It becomes a cage that people don't wanna free themselves from.

Perhaps it takes a while for folks to see some styles coming and going to get beyond the transient authority of what is 'cool' right now. So I ask. What is there that continues in its truth and appeal and musical 'force' after you have been through a few generations of fads?

Love songs? True romance, not of the teenybopper flavor.

Appreciating a well-crafted love song that transcends style is what leads young people (who are growing up) to get out of the pop world, and into musical history. Teenagers are not likely to think about the appeal of their parents' or grandparents' music. But there are lots of young people nowadays who are appreciating old style romantic songwriting. Kids are learning about big-band and swing (along with the dancing). Kids are learning that rockers really can pull off love ballads (like Rod Stewart, or Norah Jones, or Amy Winehouse).

Kids are learning that all of the themes they THOUGHT were teenage themes have been tried out and worked out by several generations before them. The "bad-boy" attitude is nothing new - look at Bo Diddley, and Robert Johnson and the jive-jazz of Louis Jordan. Neither is the "bad-girl" theme - look at Janis Joplin and Bessie Smith.

And then there are other cultures and languages.

With a big perspective like that, the fakery of current top-40 styles is quickly seen through. And as more and more young people see through it, they start to see which themes and what stylings are long-lasting.
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..Kids are learning...
well, the song below is kinda interesting... Justin timberlake song, acoustic guitar, electric guitar, drum box, and those fifth harmony girls... supposedly live, although I'm suspicious of that

boyce avenue, fifth harmony, covering "mirror"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvEZUbzqqyM

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60 million hits on youtube in a year and a alf... which is pretty impressive until you realize that selena gomez got 12 million hits in the last couple days on that "heart" song

but it's good to see some interest in acoustic, live music seems to be surviving... if the doomers are right, that's what we'll have to rely on after the gold rush

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Old 11-09-2014, 05:48 PM   #38
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What is the nature of those "melodic" lines?

Like those of Blake Shelton, they are phoned in, rhythmic, indistinguishable, and totally lacking in melodic character. They are BACKGROUND riffs not melody. They go nowhere, lead nowhere, have no direction and no emotion, in spite of all the hand-waving and grimacing by the singers. Add up all those riffs - trying to pass as melody - and what you get is same, same and more of same.

How is more of same to be confused with "romantic"? If you are in bed, or on a date, or in a relationship, and the other person is just phoning in the same riff over and over, without any development, without any tenderness, would you be romantically attracted? I don't think so.

This shit (and the disney version of Selena's fake R&B) is about as romantic as a pinball machine. About as emotional or maudlin as the ringing of the cash register at Target. It is as melodic as someone playing notes on a goddam iPhone, over and fucking over again. Do it four times, or 32 times and you can call it a song?

Fuck that shit.

Sorry, flick, nothing against you. I just don't find corporate fake shit as convincing as what has successfully come across as romantic over the decades and centuries.
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Old 11-10-2014, 02:02 AM   #39
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This is not maudlin my muso friends but it be sappy. I've been working on a super maudlin song that I showed msore a few weeks ago but nothings come of it yet, but I dusted off one of those tunes that got filed away years ago and wrote these lyrics to it. It's the third draft and i'm sure there's a few re writes to go but you get the picture

THERE WERE SHARKS IN THE DARK
I FORGOT WHERE I LEFT THE GUN
LET'S JUST UNDERSTAND
THAT WAS DONE AND GONE
AND I HOPE YOU FEEL THE SAME

AND I BET IF WE ASKED
GOD WOULD GIVE US A BRAND NEW START
A SHOOTING STAR OF LOVE
WE COULD EVER WANT
AND I HOPE YOU FEEL THE SAME

(CHORUS)
DON'T YOU BE AFRAID
BE AFRAID
DON'T YOU BE AFRAID

AND I LAUGH DONT KNOW WHY
IT WAS SO GOOD I COULDN'T FUCK IT UP
WELL BABY PRAISE JESUS I'M ALL YOUR'S
YOU SHOULD NEVER FEAR
AND I HOPE YOU FEEL THE SAME

(CHORUS)
DON'T YOU BE AFRAID
BE AFRAID
DON'T YOU BE AFRAID

I'll lay down a track so you can hear it
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Old 11-10-2014, 03:51 AM   #40
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I don't know, doesn't sound sappy to me, sounds more like brilliance Garrick. Up there with flickervetigo.
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