Old 01-15-2018, 08:04 AM   #1
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Default Topmost row of pixels in item_bg not tinted?

I have a problem where the top row of pixels in item_bg do not get tinted by the item color.

Here is my item_bg:

It's all-white.

Here's how it looks inside Reaper:


Notice the top row of pixels is white.

Could this be a bug?
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Old 01-15-2018, 04:53 PM   #2
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I have a problem where the top row of pixels in item_bg do not get tinted by the item color.

Here is my item_bg:

It's all-white.

Here's how it looks inside Reaper:


Notice the top row of pixels is white.

Could this be a bug?

Use Photoshop then you won't have the problem.
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Old 01-15-2018, 05:14 PM   #3
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Use Photoshop then you won't have the problem.
Ah yeah of course. Your help coming soon he?

@OP: try and make the top pixel line in your grahpic fully transparent.
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Old 01-15-2018, 05:22 PM   #4
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I'm guessing you also see a white line along the right edge of the item (but it's not in your picture since it's cropped).

Try using this attached file instead.

BTW you don't have to use Photoshop. This was done in the free paint.net image editor.
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Use Photoshop then you won't have the problem.
That's nonsense.
Why Photoshop?
I think the reason for the white line has a completely different reason.

I just tried it out with my theme.
The selected item of my theme has a white border.
If I mute the track, the white Line is thicker at the top.
I noticed that the first row below the pink line, only indicates that the track is muted. (You can make this line red, for example).
The solution of JamesPeters is the right one. Make the first row below the pink line transparent.
But I still wonder:
I can't color a white item. It always stays white.

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Old 01-15-2018, 06:29 PM   #6
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But I still wonder:
I can't color a white item. It always stays white.
The ability to color an item depends on a few things:

-the item_bg.png file and whether it's opaque or semi-transparent
-the line "Version 5" in the rtconfig.txt file within the theme (if it exists or not)
-the settings in your Preferences for Appearance of media items

I was posting about it on another thread today:

https://forum.cockos.com/showpost.ph...89&postcount=5

I hope that helps!
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Old 01-16-2018, 08:45 AM   #7
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I'm guessing you also see a white line along the right edge of the item (but it's not in your picture since it's cropped).

Try using this attached file instead.

BTW you don't have to use Photoshop. This was done in the free paint.net image editor.
I guess this would work, but it's only a partial solution, since it would mean that the topmost line is transparent which is a problem in and of itself.

I did find a solution eventually, by doing something like this:

(I made the transparent pixels black to make them easier to see)

However, I am still left to wonder why this happens. I'm guessing it's a quirk in the system that interprets pink/yellow pixels.
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I didn't understand enough about the yellow and pink areas when I looked at your file. The Walter documentation I found on Reaper's site was far too vague on this, and it glossed over the pink/yellow differentiation entirely so I didn't think it was important.

So I finally looked at the ">> WALTER : A themer's guide" thread and downloaded the PDF in the first post, so I can learn more about it. CTRL+F for "pink" brought me straight to page 42 with more info on pink/yellow areas and what they mean. I'm not going to get into it that much since I'm not really making completely new images for my theme edit, but I wanted to let you know I found info in that thread.
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I guess this would work, but it's only a partial solution, since it would mean that the topmost line is transparent which is a problem in and of itself.
Out of curiosity - what is the problem with that solution?
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I guess this would work, but it's only a partial solution, since it would mean that the topmost line is transparent which is a problem in and of itself.

I did find a solution eventually, by doing something like this:

(I made the transparent pixels black to make them easier to see)

However, I am still left to wonder why this happens. I'm guessing it's a quirk in the system that interprets pink/yellow pixels.
Yellow defines the area(s) outside of the 'active' area of the image.
Pink defines the 'active' area of the image that will not be crushed or made smaller up to a cetain point.

Reaper does not display the area where the pink lines are.
I have attached an edited version of your file to demonstrate.

Since Yellow does not appear to be needed in this case, you might try changing the yellow to pink to see if that helps.
The other issue here is the large amount of pink line being used.
in this case it can probably be reduced.
I have attached an edited version of you file to demonstrate.

Note: I used GIMP to edit the files, Photoshop is not needed.
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Out of curiosity - what is the problem with that solution?
I want the topmost row of pixels to have a specific color. Transparent pixels would show whatever is underneath the item.


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Since Yellow does not appear to be needed in this case, you might try changing the yellow to pink to see if that helps.
The other issue here is the large amount of pink line being used.
in this case it can probably be reduced.
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The yellow pixels are very much deliberate. I want the rightmost column of pixels to extend out of the item. In my opinion, this makes it look better in some situations. For example, when two items are right next to each other, their outlines merge.

Example:


Edit: Also, it seems my solution didn't work. I still have a white row of pixels at the very of top of each item.
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what theme are you using?
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What editor are you using for editing these images?
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what theme are you using?
It's a modified version of Fusion, by arsen.

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What editor are you using for editing these images?
Photoshop CS6.
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Photoshop CS6.
DON'T use Photoshop for such a task. It distorts the image.
I recommend you to use this one: https://pixlr.com/editor/ (flash player is required)
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DON'T use Photoshop for such a task. It distorts the image.
Just and FYI that PS should be able to handle this without issue, there is a setting being overlooked somewhere.
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Just and FYI that PS should be able to handle this without issue, there is a setting being overlooked somewhere.
Probably, but I'd like to use that one under the link. It worked always for me, unlike PS.
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Probably, but I'd like to use that one under the link. It worked always for me, unlike PS.
For sure, use what works. My reply was academic only.
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Try this file and see if things look right. There's a semi-transparent dark border around it for the separation you want when items are directly touching on the left/right sides. For some reason I seem to have to treat the top row as though it's "already part of the background" and not extend the yellow down 1px to the next row. Maybe item background images just are that way, for the top row of the image.

Also: since this has no gradient or shading etc. it doesn't have to be as tall as it was. And the pink lines could be reduced.

And when you're putting files up here for people to check, leave the transparent pixels transparent. Assume we'd be opening the files in an image editor suitable of viewing the transparency. This way we won't have to decide what you intended to leave transparent, black, semi-transparent, etc. (just upload the PNG as is).
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Putting black transparent borders would be an alright solution except for one thing:


It creates this 2px edge between items on neighboring tracks. To get around this, I would omit the outline at the top of the image. However, this would make the top row white again.
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Preferences -> Appearance -> Pixels between items on adjacent tracks.

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That would be helpful in this case if I could set to a negative number, but I don't want my items farther apart. I want them to fill the track space completely.

I seem to be quite hard to please.
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That would be helpful in this case if I could set to a negative number, but I don't want my items farther apart. I want them to fill the track space completely.

I seem to be quite hard to please.
It seems you'll have to pick one way or the other, then. There doesn't seem to be any way (that I've seen) to do anything else.
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Yep. I think I'll live with the topmost row being white.

It would be nice to find out whether or not it actually is a bug. If the left, right and bottom behaved the same it would seem logical, but it's only the top. Although in some cases I was able to make the right edge white as well.

I might post in the bug-forum to get to the bottom of this.
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