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Why would you use Windows?
Not reaper related. Today I needed to scan something. I have an old Epson printer which gives no end of trouble on windows. I plugged it into my Linux laptop and it immediately recognized the printer and found a driver. I found some scanning software that was already installed on my computer. Scanned the documents, no problem. Found some free PDF software, (not payware or scamware) which installed on seconds. Merged the scans into a PDF and sent it off. Couldn't be happier. Just had to share that.
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I suppose with the ARM based Apple machines that seem to outperform Windows boxes with the same price tag, and using a lot less power, there will be a hard time for Windows coming up. Don't know if it makes sense top run Linux on those... -Michael |
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A relative uses an Adobe software suite for work and hobbies, and so much windows trouble brewed with the windows versions, that he demoed and bought an M1, and the software troubles went away when it powered on.
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I can confirm, that on my Ubuntu system all runs smoothly, especially printers
I'm on Ubuntu now since 2011 and couldn't wait the day I don't need Windows to run Cubase anymore. Now, in the last 2 month I finally found out about yarbridge, that brings the most vst-plugins to run on Linux, that I am really really happy about it. And I wouldn't have found this solution without some youtube-videos about reaper. So, thanks to reaper, I can make my music on Linux By the way, I knew ardour and tested it together with reaper, now I got the vst's run, and I have great respect for ardour too, but the customizability of reaper is really awesome. If I now find a good alternative for the Halion-Symphonic-Orchestra, I can shutdown Windows permanently. |
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I'm not familiar with the sounds of Halion. I always assumed it is a general midi set, or perhaps somewhat better, like Garritan. So I have no experience getting it to work.
However, there are definitely alternatives. For one, Garritan runs well on Wine. Also, as Kontakt (both free and full versions) runs well on wine, anything that uses Kontakt will thus work on Linux. Project Sam's Free Orchestra. The Kontakt Factory Library, which has the VSL Library, which while not as good as the full Vienna libraries, is still very decent. I have not had any luck getting Spitfire to work. I did just buy the Cinesamples Orchestra Core. They are having a huge sale, but it ends July 1. They have something called Symphony Lite for 215.00. I'm not sure what it is exactly, probably something like Discover Core. Anyway, with Cinesamples Orchestra Core, I have sounds that are as good or better as what I had in Windows (EWSO Gold, Vienna Special Edition and Appasionata Strings). I also have Cinematic Strings, which also uses kontakt. So, I have two high-end string libraries, and a high-end brass and woodwind library. I have no need of windows now, though I'll keep it around as an archive from which I may need to mine things now and then. So there are options. To my ears, Orchestools sounds rather synthy, not truly orchestral. |
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Too bad the sale ends tomorrow, because I would first have to try kontakt is really running on my system and have a second look on the instruments. But this way I have plenty of time until the next sale to get a second look on the Garritan instruments too. But I am confident now, I can get all I need sooner or later. Thank you very much for your suggestions. And like I said in the previous post, with the Orchestools I should be able to replace the SINE strings, that were really nice for making some string-pads. Last edited by fabio77; 06-30-2022 at 01:10 PM. |
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I was amazed when all of my Photoshop projects opened in GIMP with no complaints, conversions or fuss.
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Hence we need Kimp (aka Kontakt-Gimp)
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Only reason I am still clinging to Windows whilst still playing with Linux is WINE.
I still have not been able to implement it reliably & in any case several of my key plugins won`t install/work. If only someone could come up with a better way to use windows-based plugins within Linux....
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I was looking at plugins a few days ago I started looking at one makers plugins and started comparing the size of the .exe file needed by both Mac and Windows plugins.
There was a real difference in that the Apple size was at every time larger than that of Windows? Grinder |
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I look at it from a different angle - Linux and Windows are completely different operating systems and I think we're incredibly fortunate on Linux to have both Wine and Yabridge working as well as they do. I mean, to reverse the perspective, can you run ANY native Linux plugins on Windows? Would you expect to be able to? In my opinion, a more reasonable wish would be: if only more plugin developers would release native Linux versions of their plugins...and with the advent of CLAP, which by all accounts has the potential to make that easier, who knows... |
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For this reason I highly appreciate the work of reaper itself, but also Moddart who releases their Pianoteq native on Linux. |
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I would rather prefer to not install wine. And use native Linux plugins only. Wine could be a security issue.
I guess, now that we have yabridge, companies could say they are not interested in using their resources to create native Linux versions when people could just use yabridge. But I don't want to mean that I don't appreciate the work in yabridge. It is amazing and it certainly makes the switch to Linux for many users possible. |
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When I see the possible alternatives that with yabridge run on linux already, there is actual no reason to buy the steinberg software anymore, for example. Espacially when this company makes it impossible to use its sofware in linux. |
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It's a bit nonsensical to give your money to any software companies who refuse to make it work on your OS of choice. Instead rely on unpaid people (AFAIK) to "fix it" with bridges. That said, bridges are nice to have if you are switching and want to use what you've already paid for but don't rely on them, there are multiple points of potential failure.
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I'm only spending my money on native Linux plugins, and not supporting vendors who only cater to Mac/Win. |
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https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=268338 A month ago I purchased the pianoteq, exactly because they deliver a native linux install. But are there alternatives that could compare to instruments like some orchestrals? |
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So it comes down to what kind of music you are doing. Your needs are valid. So are mine. So to for the person doing Hip Hop or electronic music. We all have the right to make the kind of music our souls long to make. We don't pass judgment on each other because of the kind of music we make. We also need to not judge each other for how "pure" our process of making it is. |
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My question above was curiosity. Maybe there is more that I don't know of, and someone who does music on linux for a longer period of time knows more things I could not find yet. For example I did not realize pianoteq is making native linux instruments a few month ago. And they are really good in what they are doing. Same thing with reaper or bitwig. There are more and more companies, that are developing for linux too, that I have missed over the years. And I don't want to miss the day that Native Instruments will release a really "Native" Instrument on Linux or someone else, that can compare to those sound libraries. |
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Since I mostly work with real instruments, I could still record stuff with zero plugins, but if I were doing orchestral stuff like you guys, and didn't have all the instruments I needed, I might be singing a different tune. That said, I still have all the .gig files I collected over the years when I ran GigaStudio96 on a dedicated machine, and some of them are high quality Emu samples that work great in LinuxSampler. |
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I've also thought about what would happen if the power grid were to fail. I could still play my acoustic drums, acoustic piano, and acoustic guitars while waiting for them to fix the grid.
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I used to have a violin, but I could never get the intonation right with my sausage fingers. I can play my mandolin just fine, and it's tuned the same, but it has frets.
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https://www.soundclick.com/music/son...ongID=13668404 I mostly compose rock and jazz stuff. That said, I understand the importance of having proper voices in the composition, which is how me, a professional drummer, ended up with so many stringed instruments. There are two newer ones not in this lineup. https://forum.cockos.com/attachment....0&d=1596246186 . |
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This could aid packagers, and those wanting/needing to manually install from archive contents. runbeerrun at kvr has kept up with installing Bitwig in Fedora, and might be a good resource. In past times, I've used Fedora 5, 11, 19, 21, and 23, and some RedHat, with knowledge gleened from Studio Dave Philips, who might also be expert in vcvrack productivity. I turned off 'Security Linux', as back then, it wasn't very audio friendly. Or I was dumber than a bag of hammers...might not be an issue in these enlightened times. Cheers
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Back to the main topic, to the question "Why would you use Windows?". I woulnd't because of GAFAM aka Bigtech.
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I'm still doing some video-editing- and rendering on windows, because didn't have the time yet to get use to linux alternatives, like avidemux or blender perhaps may be.
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In my case, I have a lot of time and money invested in certain crucial (to me) Windows plugins that do not appear to have a viable equivalent available in Linux yet. I have been given explanations of how to use Wine but assumed that I needed to have WINE installed & working before I could use Yabridge. I have used the most recent version of AV Linux & even though the curator`s instructions are pretty darn good, I still didnt find anything that adequately explained to me HOW to use/set up WINE or Yabridge. I`m sorry you found my comment disrespectful, but I was not sneering, just hoping to get an understandable explanation of how.
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If you get a Windows plugin installed, you ought to just try LinVST since it looks like it may already be installed too. Look in your home folder for a folder with LinVst in the name. It's "LinVst-4.77-Debian-Bullseye" on my system, but might have a different name on yours. If you have a LinVst folder, inside it will be a file for converting with the name "linvstconvert". If you double click it, a GUI window will come up, ask a couple of questions and then create the bridging needed for your Windows plugins. |
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I have some links to Video-HowTo's and resources, that for me was very helpful.
Maybe you find your answers there. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aX84va5a1Fo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C45rLPAtRD8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cG6ipmOyfw0 https://wiki.winehq.org/Ubuntu https://github.com/robbert-vdh/yabridge https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Archiv/KXStudio/ And I have wrote myself kind of summary for my next installation, because I had some problems with it myself. It is very shorthand, just as a reminder, but here it is: Code:
# --------------------------- # Update our system # --------------------------- sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgrade -y # --------------------------- # Wine Installation # --------------------------- sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386 wget -nc https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/winehq.key sudo mv winehq.key /usr/share/keyrings/winehq-archive.key wget -nc https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/ubuntu/dists/$(lsb_release -sc)/winehq-$(lsb_release -sc).sources sudo mv winehq-$(lsb_release -sc).sources /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ sudo apt update sudo apt install --install-recommends winehq-staging # due to error: "mfc42.dll is missing" (z.B. sonible-Plugins) sudo apt install winetricks winetricks mfc42 # --------------------------- # sysctl.conf # --------------------------- /etc/sysctl.conf vm.swappiness=10 fs.inotify.max_user_watches=524288 # --------------------------- # Add the user to the audio group # --------------------------- sudo adduser $USER audio #------------------------- # Priority and MemoryLock #------------------------- /etc/security/limits.conf @username - rtprio 98 @username - memlock unlimited # --------------------------- # grub (the option [mitigations=off] could cause security issues from "Spectre, Meltdown") # --------------------------- sudo sed -i 's/GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash"/GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash threadirqs"/g' /etc/default/grub sudo update-grub # ------------------------------- # Install the latest low latency kernel # ------------------------------- sudo apt install linux-lowlatency-hwe-20.04 -y #-------------------------------- # CPU-Powersave-Performance-Check #-------------------------------- cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/scaling_governor # Set to Performance echo -n performance | sudo tee /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/scaling_governor # Set back to Powersave echo -n powersave | sudo tee /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/scaling_governor # create deamon (not mecesserely required) -> https://wiki.linuxaudio.org/wiki/system_configuration#disabling_resource-intensive_daemons_services_and_processes # --------------------------- # Install kxstudio and cadence # Cadence is a tool for managing audio connections to our hardware # NOTE: Select "YES" when asked to enable realtime privileges # --------------------------- notify "Install kxstudio and cadence" sudo apt-get install apt-transport-https gpgv -y wget https://launchpad.net/~kxstudio-debian/+archive/kxstudio/+files/kxstudio-repos_10.0.3_all.deb sudo dpkg -i kxstudio-repos_10.0.3_all.deb rm kxstudio-repos_10.0.3_all.deb sudo apt update sudo apt install cadence -y #------------alternative (minimal?) Install -------- sudo apt-add-repository ppa:kxstudio-debian/kxstudio sudo apt update sudo apt install kxstudio-repos sudo apt uppate sudo apt install cadence ### Jack-Einstellungen ### ALSA-MIDI-Bridge - on ALSA-PulseAudio-Bridge - on (?) Frames - 48000 Sample-Buffer - 128 Latenz: ca. 2.5ms DSP-Leer: ca. 2-5% xruns: ca. 2-5 (Leer 0) #---------yarbridge-------------------- Extract the contents to: ~/.local/share/yabridge/yabridgectl add to end of .bashrc: export PATH="$PATH:$HOME/.local/share/yabridge" yabridgectl status|add|rm|list|sync add for example: yabridgectl add "$HOME/.wine/drive_c/Program Files/Steinberg/VstPlugins" then: yabridgectl sync yabridgectl status But maybe you start an extra thread for this. |
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Thank you all so much! I am feeling a lot more optimistic now. Part of my frustration was knowing that in theory I already had WINE installed on AV MX but could not find "how to use it".
Not sure how I missed that link, Glennbo - I am taking a day off after a hectic weekend gigging, so I will man up! Odd, as I used Unix for years & have been doing fine with Linux apart from WINE! I think it`s probably because my brain has finally gotten too old and rigid to get into the nuts and bolts of how things work in Linux. I gave up on Windows beta for the same reason when 10 was first released.
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BTW, I'm currently using LinVST again because an update to Yabridge broke things on my system, and since I still had LinVST installed, I just switched back to it, rather than spend time chasing down what blew Yabridge up for me. I just want my stuff to work! |
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