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Old 11-07-2018, 02:48 AM   #1
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Default Please don't change (startInSourceValue when trimming items (SOLVED)

when left trimming items the offset is changed by reaper, and we never want that because we loose control of the first beat.
And i can't see any benefit of changing offset in any circunstance: Can anyone explain me?

It's s really annoying the problems this change gives for arranging this item.

To workaround, first we have to remove the added trim, copy it and redo trim, paste and then redo the trim in the new place! (or change manually like in the licaps)

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and here for audio item:


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Old 11-08-2018, 04:13 AM   #2
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edit: nevermind

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Old 11-08-2018, 09:28 AM   #3
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It snaps always to the offset.. You have not set any snap offset in your gif. Your snap offset is 0.
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Old 11-08-2018, 09:36 AM   #4
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deeb !
I understand you, you got a big point.

A solution would be:
Option in Preferences (or in Menu Options), to NOT change offset position in an Item when trimming left edge of Item.

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Old 11-08-2018, 10:12 AM   #5
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It snaps always to the offset.. You have not set any snap offset in your gif. Your snap offset is 0.
sorry i did not understand! maybe i am using the wrong terminology? what am i doing wrong?
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Old 11-08-2018, 10:15 AM   #6
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A solution would be:
Option in Preferences (or in Menu Options), to NOT change offset position in an Item when trimming left edge of Item.

Warm Regards.
ok ! thank you vanhaze! so maybe i should change the OP title to:
NOT change offset position in an Item when trimming left edge of Item
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can i ask for help to do a proper title to this? : )
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Old 11-08-2018, 12:20 PM   #7
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deeb !

I missed the fact that you trimmed a looped item to the left.
So i have to nuance my answer abit i think:

Option in Preferences (or in Menu Options), to NOT change offset position in an Item when trimming left edge of Item,whether it is looped or not looped.

Regarding your answer to amagalma:
You are using the right terminology and imho your first post is very clear (to me).
So i think amagalma just misunderstood your first post and therefore his answer is not to the point.

Just my 2 cents.
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Old 11-08-2018, 12:32 PM   #8
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Sorry, guys! I now understand what you are talking about!


Another solution would be a mouse modifier that could trim (extend) the left edge of an item, without moving the snap offset.
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Old 11-08-2018, 12:33 PM   #9
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Yes sure, good idea too !
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Old 11-09-2018, 01:00 PM   #10
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i got to some conclusions and so edited the first post.

do you agree?

Thank you both! : )
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Old 09-01-2019, 07:13 AM   #11
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Can anyone please explain me why the current behaviour is expected comparing with this one I am showing. If this is silly please please remove this thread
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Old 09-02-2019, 06:29 AM   #12
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Can anyone please explain me why the current behaviour is expected comparing with this one I am showing.
It is expected because REAPER snaps the actual item start (left edge) to grid.

To get the desired behavior you could either trim the item to grid or set the Item Snap Offset to the beginning of events (after trimming):

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Old 09-02-2019, 09:45 AM   #13
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It is expected because REAPER snaps the actual item start (left edge) to grid.
Thank you for the insight you giving me a reason of the behaviour because it was made like that. And that I know. What I don't know is why it's better or the benefit of this behaviour. In practice gives trouble sequencing this item. I dont like loosing the control of the first beat, and when I left trim is like an anacrusis and not a new first beat.
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Old 09-02-2019, 11:31 AM   #14
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"Better" is a relative term. I would rather call it a more predictable or standard way when snapping happens the way it does as of now.

But isn't your usage scenario covered by the way of setting the Item Snap Offset as demoed in the gif in my previous post? That's precisely why the offset exists - to give users a completely customizable snapping anchor.

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Old 09-02-2019, 02:05 PM   #15
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It works yes but its one more one workflow hassle. I wouldn't use current behaviour at all if I had an option like: "don't change offset start when left trimming item"

If I want to change the first beat offset I would rather prefer doing it inside the midi editor nudging the content right, or by gluing the item. I
I never had this problem in other DAW. I need to confirm to be sure if the behaviour is the same.



Thank you for the feedback neutronic!
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Old 09-02-2019, 04:35 PM   #16
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Maybe solution could be to add option to snap item on loop points
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Old 09-02-2019, 06:39 PM   #17
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I never had this problem in other DAW.
Ah I think I know what you mean - some DAWs snap relatively to grid by default. In FL Studio, for example, this is the only way of snapping and you can see a pretty often request on the Image-Line forum for absolute snapping (REAPER's default).

To achieve relative snapping in REAPER, simply activate the "Snap relative to grid" option in the Snap/Grid Settings or via the corresponding toggle action.

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Old 09-03-2019, 06:30 AM   #18
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Ah I think I know what you mean - some DAWs snap relatively to grid by default. In FL Studio, for example, this is the only way of snapping and you can see a pretty often request on the Image-Line forum for absolute snapping (REAPER's default).

To achieve relative snapping in REAPER, simply activate the "Snap relative to grid" option in the Snap/Grid Settings or via the corresponding toggle action.
The problem seems other because what I want is to snap to the grid. I am not sure what would be absolute snapping tho.
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Old 09-03-2019, 06:35 AM   #19
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Maybe solution could be to add option to snap item on loop points
Hmm Is closer, but the problem is reaper messing with the offset. I don't want reaper to do anything about the snapping.. just leave as is. This gives me control of the first beat, and if I change anything is by my willing.

Maybe solution would be: "if item is looped don't change offset when left trimmed"
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The problem seems other because what I want is to snap to the grid. I am not sure what would be absolute snapping tho.
hmm "Snap relative to grid" does snap to the grid but relatively. Have you tried it?

Absolute snapping is the REAPER's default, the one you don't prefer.

Check out Kenny's video on the subject:
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Old 09-15-2019, 09:04 AM   #21
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Neutronic: sorry for the delayed response.
Thank you so much.. indeed that seems to be the issue, and hopefully I won't untick it
Thanks for patience and insight and to all the readers/posters which in some way or another tried to help!

/Me very greatful!
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No problem - glad to hear it's finally working for you!
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Thank you !
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