Old 11-12-2019, 11:56 AM   #1
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Default MIDI VELOCITY CONTROL FXs?

Can these just be added to any fx on a MIDI track and you're ready to go? Or is there something else. Kontakt, Reverbs, etc. no problem. But the MIDI fxs seem to require something more; they're not working for me.

I'm talking about a completed MIDI piano track, not live playing. Something tells me that the VEL CONTROL MIDI fx is set up for playing live, as opposed to listening to and adjusting a completed track?
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Old 11-12-2019, 12:21 PM   #2
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Put it before (above) the instrument plug.
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Old 11-12-2019, 12:31 PM   #3
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Put it before (above) the instrument plug.
OK. Will do.

Yup... That works. Who would have thought? I wonder why that's necessary?

What's the logic?
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Old 11-12-2019, 01:04 PM   #4
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Pardon me, as I'm putting this in my own Laymen's terms a bit..

Think of your FX chain as a linear timeline - this effect takes input in, and spits this output to the next thing in the chain. Think of FX you use as either MIDI FX that affect MIDI signals or Audio FX that affect audio signals. The ones you're referring to are meant to process MIDI data, and then output it as different MIDI data.

Now, MIDI data on it's own doesn't make a sound. It needs something to process it into a waveform to make sound - that's going to be your VSTi. So you need to alter this MIDI data before it hits the VSTi. If you do it after, your VSTi has already processed the MIDI into audio, and it's just passing along the altered MIDI information to anything else in the chain that may or may not be able to do something with it.

Most FX like reverbs and delays and such need to be after the VSTi because they are actually processing/altering an audio signal, not MIDI data.

So again, that brings me back to a few concepts:
- MIDI FX will alter MIDI data, Audio FX alter audio data (I'm simplifying here, probably, but that's the gist).
- Certain VSTis (ex. synths) will take a MIDI signal and generate a waveform (aka sound) from that MIDI data.
- MIDI on it's own does not make a sound, so you need something after your finished MIDI data to make the sound (VSTi).

I hope that explained it well enough.
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Old 11-12-2019, 02:23 PM   #5
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Pardon me, as I'm putting this in my own Laymen's terms a bit..

Think of your FX chain as a linear timeline - this effect takes input in, and spits this output to the next thing in the chain. Think of FX you use as either MIDI FX that affect MIDI signals or Audio FX that affect audio signals. The ones you're referring to are meant to process MIDI data, and then output it as different MIDI data.

Now, MIDI data on it's own doesn't make a sound. It needs something to process it into a waveform to make sound - that's going to be your VSTi. So you need to alter this MIDI data before it hits the VSTi. If you do it after, your VSTi has already processed the MIDI into audio, and it's just passing along the altered MIDI information to anything else in the chain that may or may not be able to do something with it.

Most FX like reverbs and delays and such need to be after the VSTi because they are actually processing/altering an audio signal, not MIDI data.

So again, that brings me back to a few concepts:
- MIDI FX will alter MIDI data, Audio FX alter audio data (I'm simplifying here, probably, but that's the gist).
- Certain VSTis (ex. synths) will take a MIDI signal and generate a waveform (aka sound) from that MIDI data.
- MIDI on it's own does not make a sound, so you need something after your finished MIDI data to make the sound (VSTi).

I hope that explained it well enough.
Very useful info. Don't dig in to this stuff much, anymore. But sometimes its unavoidable.
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