Diodow & Tranzistow

martblek · 10-20-2021, 11:57 AM

hello all,
these synth from HrastProgrammer working fine in standalone mode,
but as vst dont show gui.
tested in Reaper, Renoise and VCVRack.
No error

Manjaro here.
any idea ?

audiojunkie · 10-20-2021, 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by martblek

hello all,
these synth from HrastProgrammer working fine in standalone mode,
but as vst dont show gui.
tested in Reaper, Renoise and VCVRack.
No error

Manjaro here.
any idea ?

They aren’t VST plugins. They use JACK. 🙂

martblek · 10-20-2021, 09:57 PM

I donť think so.

Standalone config running using pipewire-alsa

[Audio]
Driver=alsa
Device=plughw:1,0
Samplerate=44100
BufferTime=20
FrameTime=10
Resample=0
Format=16
Oversample=0

[Midi]
Driver=alsa
Device=hw:2,0,0

VSTi from Reaper: Diodow64.so

Diodow64.so=0036B06AA5B2D701,1146565681,Diodow64 (HrastProgrammer)!!!VSTi

ToeJam76 · 10-20-2021, 10:50 PM

That's funny. Just tried the Tranzistow native 32bit VSTi and it outputs a similar error message like Carla-Rack in 6.38 (made a thread about it), but in Reaper 6.37 and no UI opens.

"swell: dlopen() failed: /home/plasmabox/.vst3/TranzistowLinux_20210928/Tranzistow32.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32"

The native 64 bit VSTi works with UI, but takes a while to initialize.

martblek · 10-21-2021, 11:21 AM

Found a solution.
Working both.
Original standalone application must be in same folder as vsti.
vsti is only "bridge" to app.

original.
http://www.hrastprogrammer.com/hrastwerk/hrastbook.htm

PMan · 10-21-2021, 12:25 PM

I just tried to download the latest Tranzistow: 2021-09-28 and my browser says the source file is unavailable.

Anyone else experiencing this?

audiojunkie · 10-21-2021, 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by martblek

Found a solution.
Working both.
Original standalone application must be in same folder as vsti.
vsti is only "bridge" to app.

original.
http://www.hrastprogrammer.com/hrastwerk/hrastbook.htm

Cool! It was only JACK a few short weeks ago! This must be a recent change. We had a big discussion about all of this in a previous thread, and I ended up giving up on it because it was a JACK-only app. Thanks for bringing it to our attention!!!

PMan · 10-22-2021, 07:13 AM

@audiojunkie: I remember that thread

For me, the file wouldn't download with FireFox, but it did with Chrome.

I couldn't get the standalone working, but the VST works!
Lots of parameters, 10 outputs, multi timbral, tons of patches...

Ubuntu 20.04/Wayland

audiojunkie · 10-22-2021, 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PMan

@audiojunkie: I remember that thread

For me, the file wouldn't download with FireFox, but it did with Chrome.

I couldn't get the standalone working, but the VST works!
Lots of parameters, 10 outputs, multi timbral, tons of patches...

Ubuntu 20.04/Wayland

Very cool! I'm glad to see a VST version of this plugin! It may be an ugly VST, but it sure sounds nice! :-)

audiojunkie · 10-22-2021, 09:24 AM

Here's what the developer has to say about the Linux versions--See especially the last line. Kudos to the developer!

Tranzistow and Diodow 32/64-bit Linux VST plugins now available!

A few words about the background: Full GUI Linux VST versions of Tranzistow and Diodow aren't possible due to some technical problems caused by the development environment I am using (Free Pascal and Lazarus). Something about the GTK2 interface inside those libaries is causing VST builds to crash when loaded into a 3rd-party hosts, and I couldn't found the cause. They are loading just fine into my Hrastow simple VST host, though.

So, a few years back, I was trying to find alternate solution to overcome this issue (because changing my development environment and rewritting everything for something else isn't an option). As a result, I developed an "RunVST" engine which was stripped of any widget toolkit (like GTK2). Then I used RunVST to build GUI-less Tranzistow/Diodow VST plugin which could be loaded into a host without crashing. After loading, the plugin executes the standalone Tranzistow/Diodow and uses interprocess communication to send the data between them. And it worked. I tested it with Hrastow and Ardour 4. The project could be saved, reopened and played without problems. The only hassle is that a standalone synthesizer opens in a separate window because it is a separate process running in it's own address space, which I think is a small price to pay and have the ability to load plugins into a VST host directly. But I never received any feedback on this from anyone and I decided to remove those plugins from the package, although the actual functionality wasn't never removed from the standalone engine. I don't use VST hosts anyway, so this wasn't of any importance to me.

But recently I rebuilt those RunVST-based plugins again and tested them with the latest Tranzistow/Diodow versions. And they still worked as expected. I also had some Linux users tested them and reported positive results, so I decided to return those VST plugins back into the package.

PMan · 10-22-2021, 04:57 PM

One more point about the tech behind this VST:

It's a lot like LinuxSampler, when you run the VST, it starts a separate program/process. That is the actual Tranzistow - basically the standalone communicating with the VST plugin.

I don't have a problem with that, but it is something to be aware of. For example, when I add the VST to a track and the Tranzistow window opens, if I close that window, *the separate program/process closes*. The plugin still shows as being added to the track, but it will not make any sound. The thing to do is to minimize the Tranzistow window, not close it.

That may be a deal-breaker for some... I'm still just testing it. It does make some great sounds, has a great reverb, multiple inputs. It seems pretty deep!

PMan · 10-22-2021, 07:25 PM

In reading the docs, the author of this fine software has called it "mandatory donationware".

I respect his wishes, and am removing it from my machine.

10-20-2021, 11:57 AM	#1
martblek Human being with feelings Join Date: Sep 2020 Posts: 43	Diodow & Tranzistow hello all, these synth from HrastProgrammer working fine in standalone mode, but as vst dont show gui. tested in Reaper, Renoise and VCVRack. No error Manjaro here. any idea ?

10-21-2021, 12:25 PM	#6
PMan Human being with feelings Join Date: Aug 2019 Posts: 656	I just tried to download the latest Tranzistow: 2021-09-28 and my browser says the source file is unavailable. Anyone else experiencing this? Last edited by PMan; 10-21-2021 at 01:03 PM.

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10-20-2021, 09:57 PM	#3
martblek Human being with feelings Join Date: Sep 2020 Posts: 43	I donť think so. Standalone config running using pipewire-alsa [Audio] Driver=alsa Device=plughw:1,0 Samplerate=44100 BufferTime=20 FrameTime=10 Resample=0 Format=16 Oversample=0 [Midi] Driver=alsa Device=hw:2,0,0 VSTi from Reaper: Diodow64.so Diodow64.so=0036B06AA5B2D701,1146565681,Diodow64 (HrastProgrammer)!!!VSTi

10-20-2021, 10:50 PM	#4
ToeJam76 Human being with feelings Join Date: Oct 2021 Posts: 13	That's funny. Just tried the Tranzistow native 32bit VSTi and it outputs a similar error message like Carla-Rack in 6.38 (made a thread about it), but in Reaper 6.37 and no UI opens. "swell: dlopen() failed: /home/plasmabox/.vst3/TranzistowLinux_20210928/Tranzistow32.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32" The native 64 bit VSTi works with UI, but takes a while to initialize.

10-21-2021, 11:21 AM	#5
martblek Human being with feelings Join Date: Sep 2020 Posts: 43	Found a solution. Working both. Original standalone application must be in same folder as vsti. vsti is only "bridge" to app. original. http://www.hrastprogrammer.com/hrastwerk/hrastbook.htm

10-22-2021, 07:13 AM	#8
PMan Human being with feelings Join Date: Aug 2019 Posts: 656	@audiojunkie: I remember that thread For me, the file wouldn't download with FireFox, but it did with Chrome. I couldn't get the standalone working, but the VST works! Lots of parameters, 10 outputs, multi timbral, tons of patches... Ubuntu 20.04/Wayland

10-22-2021, 09:24 AM	#10
audiojunkie Human being with feelings Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 973	Here's what the developer has to say about the Linux versions--See especially the last line. Kudos to the developer! Tranzistow and Diodow 32/64-bit Linux VST plugins now available! A few words about the background: Full GUI Linux VST versions of Tranzistow and Diodow aren't possible due to some technical problems caused by the development environment I am using (Free Pascal and Lazarus). Something about the GTK2 interface inside those libaries is causing VST builds to crash when loaded into a 3rd-party hosts, and I couldn't found the cause. They are loading just fine into my Hrastow simple VST host, though. So, a few years back, I was trying to find alternate solution to overcome this issue (because changing my development environment and rewritting everything for something else isn't an option). As a result, I developed an "RunVST" engine which was stripped of any widget toolkit (like GTK2). Then I used RunVST to build GUI-less Tranzistow/Diodow VST plugin which could be loaded into a host without crashing. After loading, the plugin executes the standalone Tranzistow/Diodow and uses interprocess communication to send the data between them. And it worked. I tested it with Hrastow and Ardour 4. The project could be saved, reopened and played without problems. The only hassle is that a standalone synthesizer opens in a separate window because it is a separate process running in it's own address space, which I think is a small price to pay and have the ability to load plugins into a VST host directly. But I never received any feedback on this from anyone and I decided to remove those plugins from the package, although the actual functionality wasn't never removed from the standalone engine. I don't use VST hosts anyway, so this wasn't of any importance to me. But recently I rebuilt those RunVST-based plugins again and tested them with the latest Tranzistow/Diodow versions. And they still worked as expected. I also had some Linux users tested them and reported positive results, so I decided to return those VST plugins back into the package.

10-22-2021, 04:57 PM	#11
PMan Human being with feelings Join Date: Aug 2019 Posts: 656	One more point about the tech behind this VST: It's a lot like LinuxSampler, when you run the VST, it starts a separate program/process. That is the actual Tranzistow - basically the standalone communicating with the VST plugin. I don't have a problem with that, but it is something to be aware of. For example, when I add the VST to a track and the Tranzistow window opens, if I close that window, the separate program/process closes. The plugin still shows as being added to the track, but it will not make any sound. The thing to do is to minimize the Tranzistow window, not close it. That may be a deal-breaker for some... I'm still just testing it. It does make some great sounds, has a great reverb, multiple inputs. It seems pretty deep!

10-22-2021, 07:25 PM	#12
PMan Human being with feelings Join Date: Aug 2019 Posts: 656	In reading the docs, the author of this fine software has called it "mandatory donationware". I respect his wishes, and am removing it from my machine.