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Old 07-10-2018, 04:25 PM   #41
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Apple lovers are not looking for cheap solutions in general, they like expensive staff, with 1 year warranty and declared obsolete/incompatible after 2-3 years. Free 40kb program for $1 device which will work next 10-20 years is "no go" by design
You clearly don't know many Apple users.

I still support a couple of writers that use LocalTalk wiring with a LaserWriter. They have only one fairly modern Mac, used exclusively for internet. Not for creative writing. And I installed a system 9 Mac for a friend to use one plugin for mastering not too long ago. There are many Mac owners out there that kept their old machines and these last seemingly forever.

DOS, otoh has one big problem: no hardware left that is able to connect to the machines that need it. Sure, emulation is easy. But nothing is available if you need a parallel port that supports bit-banging, or an ISA extension card. Not even with manufacturers of industrial PC's that still have ISA slots. And they'll readily admit it, that compatibility only exists on paper.

Maybe your image got blurred by the iOS crowd...
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Old 07-11-2018, 03:16 AM   #42
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You clearly don't know many Apple users.
From the perspective you describe, yes. Apple users I know are from "new generation" only. The experiment I have mentioned switched to Linux/Windows for its last several years, but that was more then 10 years ago...

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I still support a couple of writers that use LocalTalk wiring with a LaserWriter. They have only one fairly modern Mac, used exclusively for internet. Not for creative writing. And I installed a system 9 Mac for a friend to use one plugin for mastering not too long ago. There are many Mac owners out there that kept their old machines and these last seemingly forever.
Yes, these was durable. I also still have MacBook from 2000, and it still boots fine (Debian)
The same I can say about PCs. Pentium II also boots fine. Can not say the same about other PCs, till I have decided to use motherboards explicitly marked as durable.
But my recent experience is different, I observe x10 more normal notebooks but the number of failed Apples is almost the same. Several after 1.1 year (bad luck?).

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DOS, otoh has one big problem: no hardware left that is able to connect to the machines that need it. Sure, emulation is easy. But nothing is available if you need a parallel port that supports bit-banging, or an ISA extension card. Not even with manufacturers of industrial PC's that still have ISA slots. And they'll readily admit it, that compatibility only exists on paper.
I must admit I was not working with PC dedicated hardware. The science use modular platforms like VME. So upgrade is as easy as replacing the controller board. Some equipment is serial or CAN. Sure, with ISA that can be problematic.
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From the perspective you describe, yes. Apple users I know are from "new generation" only...
That's what I figured. But that's not limited to Apple users. Some phone users I know, buy four or five phones per year. And they tend to loose more when they resell their previous one than iphone users...

Me too, I'd like to see a Mac version. But I know how much work is involved, so I won't beg for it

Besides, I have 17 motorised faders and several other controls lined up for connection to a MidiBox...
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Old 07-18-2018, 03:35 AM   #44
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I have tested the conference system for the first time:
* a mouse as a generic controller, used to switch modes by OSC throw special utility (right top screen-shot). As a reminder, REAPER csurf extension with this technology is linked in the first post
* ESP8266 based display, mode readout throw WiFi+OSC. The sketch will be published on GitHub, can be useful for someone to show mixer/REAPER status. The LED panel is surprising good visible, even with limited luminance (as you can see on the photo, I power the display from mixer USB).

The system itself sounds promising so far, still have to tune mics type/positions/caves and DM parameters
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Old 08-01-2018, 08:43 AM   #45
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I have added computer keyboards support. 100 buttons for any actions, does not interfere with normal keyboard(s), not Windows focus dependent, cost almost nothing.
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Old 11-13-2018, 05:50 PM   #46
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bump hidden gem

also, have you gotten this to work for parameter modulation. ideally i could link this up with ReaLearn.

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Old 11-14-2018, 05:19 AM   #47
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bump hidden gem

also, have your gotten this to work for parameter modulation. ideally i could link this up with ReaLearn.
Hidden gem, LOL
Because of you bump, I have noticed that previously uploaded version is not working at all...
But I have added a new flag now, sou you can use it with ReaLearn.
Note that all other flags still have effect, so f.e. you can still assign pressed wheel to next/previous track actions (this time in ReaLearn) and still get audition for changed track.
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Old 11-15-2018, 03:04 AM   #48
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Another view of Apple:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKJjLwMUPJI
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Old 11-15-2018, 06:15 AM   #49
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LOL

That about sums it up, yeah.
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Old 11-15-2018, 02:05 PM   #50
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I do not think someone who is looking for a MIDI controller will ever realize the subject of this thread, till it is moved into "MIDI Hardware, Control Surfaces, and OSC "
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Old 04-22-2019, 06:30 PM   #51
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a new subforum!

and I may as well say that I succesfully hooked up my Not A Mouse.. to ReaLearn
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Old 07-27-2019, 02:44 PM   #52
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azslow, would it be possible to send Not a Keyboard midi to Tracks?
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Not a problem for Not a Keyboard

But please ping me with PM in case you do not see it till the middle of next week. Just in case I forget...
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Old 07-31-2019, 01:39 PM   #54
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I still want improve some parts (compatibility with particular devices), but current version already can send normal MIDI (or switch with "Escape") from Not a Keyboard.
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Old 08-03-2019, 12:36 AM   #55
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I still don't clearly see a difference in the modes/escape. Each mode gave a combo of MIDI and CC in both Action Menu and Tracks.

However I hooked it up to reaSynth and reassigned my crappy tablet keyboard buttons with Note Mapper and it's just awesome : o
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Old 08-03-2019, 11:55 PM   #56
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The different is just in which mode the keyboard is when the REAPER is started (if it works as expected, programs always have bugs...)
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I was looking for something like a general "key" controller which I could use as either a footpedal or a tabletop unit and quickly concluded that the best solution if I wanted to mod something would be to use a prior-gen videogame controller. cheap when out-of-style, built like a tank, wireless or can be made wireless, & has alllll the controls.

for example, ps2 controller or original wired-nintendo pad

just need to regenerate the signals into midi.


For non-midi-use for example, I imagined physically modding my drum machine to a nintendo gamepad so I could have a wired remote control for it rather than having to access the unit itself. The remote could be mounted on a mic stand to switch beats. which would have helped my live performances run smoother. this type of wired mod would be mostly straightforward.


but as for the Original Post, I would think a trackball unit would be much better than a mouse. incidentally: optical mouse chips are very interesting and dirt cheap
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I was looking for something like a general "key" controller which I could use as either a footpedal or a tabletop unit and quickly concluded that the best solution if I wanted to mod something would be to use a prior-gen videogame controller. cheap when out-of-style, built like a tank, wireless or can be made wireless, & has alllll the controls.

for example, ps2 controller or original wired-nintendo pad

just need to regenerate the signals into midi.
As long as the device is recognized by OS as a "Game controller" (many are), it can be used as a MIDI controller in REAPER. This feature is "build in".

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but as for the Original Post, I would think a trackball unit would be much better than a mouse. incidentally: optical mouse chips are very interesting and dirt cheap
It is heavy, should be strictly in "controls up" position and let be realistic, it is not easy to operate when you play.

I am not sure I understand the intention of your post. Joysticks, Gamepads and (with this extension) computer Keyboard and Mouse are usable as a MIDI controller in REAPER. I mean not theoretically, but practically.

F.e. I have used attached to the side of e-drum module mouse for a while. As a transport control.
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Overall I like the mouse idea, because re-using spare equipment is good.

The obstacle I was trying to solve (altho I am not performing recently) is that I wanted the same convenient button-unit for both recording/practice and live performance. so, that might mean, that it would need to generate midi signals to plug into a midi-in on a pedalboard, and also, in a home studio setup, be for os/reaper use. So, in this case, a USB mouse would be used as the not-a-mouse with computer+reaper but then, for performance, what ? Unless a hardware mod is made to the mouse to give it an output in which to wire to a pedalboard or etc.

I guess that kind of crossover just is not common. Performers have pedalboards (nearly always foot control, not hand control). and then they have a completely different setup for studio use. alternatively, they go the route like pipeline does, and brings the complete (or miniaturized) studio setup to the performance to use as the performance unit.

Really I'm only talking about a few separate buttons like,

advance ("+")
previous ("-")
play/stop (">")
tempo up ("^")
tempo down ("v")

As a related note, most of the existing products, foot controls, are just not always great, because the stage gets too crowded and if performing a short set, it is troublesome to connect & arrange everything on the floor. And in the studio, desk-space is at a premium too. In these cases it would seem to be much better to have hand-controllers mounted on a portable stand (mic stand). Which is why this mouse idea is good.
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oh and if anyone is getting errors on load, just uncheck the option Warn when errors opening surface MIDI devices in Control/OSC/web (bc my Not a Keyboard is not normally plugged in)
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oh and if anyone is getting errors on load, just uncheck the option Warn when errors opening surface MIDI devices in Control/OSC/web (bc my Not a Keyboard is not normally plugged in)
May be I just to stop reporting it has problems with IO... The extension internally tries to be "plug&play" (it reacts on connects/disconnects during running).
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The obstacle I was trying to solve (altho I am not performing recently) is that I wanted the same convenient button-unit for both recording/practice and live performance. so, that might mean, that it would need to generate midi signals to plug into a midi-in on a pedalboard, and also, in a home studio setup, be for os/reaper use. So, in this case, a USB mouse would be used as the not-a-mouse with computer+reaper but then, for performance, what ? Unless a hardware mod is made to the mouse to give it an output in which to wire to a pedalboard or etc.
Do you mean wireless pedalboard which is not originally wireless? Then some hardware has to be modified (till the pedalboard is MIDI and has own power, in this case there are some "MIDI over BT" commercial dongles). In this case, simply soldering pedal buttons to mouse buttons can be the simplest (and cheapest) mod.

For all other cases I do not see the reason. Even in one place the same commands can be executed with Not a Mouse, pedals and other controllers in parallel. In my small room I have up to 5(!) different devices to hit "play" (midi controller, 2 keyboards with buttons, left pedal on DP and "Not a mouse"). Just because I do not want stand up nor move controllers between instruments. I still do not have wireless not a mouse, but with current version supporting logitech that is rather tempting. Good logitech mouse can work monthes without re-charging. Not wired and not powered transport controller working the whole season
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