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08-26-2019, 02:48 AM
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HiDPI: Per-Plugin Option for UI-Scaling (Windows)
Hi,
I just got a 4K-Monitor and use it with 150%-Scaling-Mode on a Windows10 computer.
With this windows-screen setting Reaper looks gorgoeus in HighDPI-Mode "aware".
Concerning plugins the situation is different:
- Some plugins do follow the windows setting and look gorgoeus too (FabFilter plugins for example)
- Most plugins do not follow the windows-setting and become unusable small (Waves plugins for example)
As far as I know plugins have to be adapted to follow these relatively new windows-scaling-mechanism. This will not happen for many legacy plugins.
To make these plugins usable in Reaper HiDPI-Mode I think it will be necessary to implement a per-plugin option to pass the windows scaling setting. This should zoom them to the correct size (of course making them look blurry, but usable sized).
I read on other forums this is available on most other daws (Ableton, Studio-One...) Therefore this has to be possible for Reaper too.
Until this option is implemented I have to use Reaper in "unaware"-mode which looks blurry but always gives correct plugin sizing.
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08-30-2019, 04:05 AM
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Yes, same for me. Some kind of plugin gui scaling as a per plugin option would be great! Thanks!
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12-06-2019, 10:36 PM
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+1
I am surprised this isn't in Reaper 6. This is essential in 2019.
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12-10-2019, 09:01 AM
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You can pass your Windows scaling setting for most of plugins by making them running in a separated process (or dedicated processes). Reaper will do x64-bridging for them, and they'll follow your Windows scaling settings. Although this function is not for GUI scaling (it is for plugin-sandboxing, speaking of which you should take advantage of), it serves as a solution to small plugin windows.
The drawback is that you cannot embed plugins in FX windows when they are in a separated process (or dedicated processes). A little annoying but bearable in my opinion.
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12-10-2019, 09:15 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by p4thie
The drawback is that you cannot embed plugins in FX windows when they are in a separated process (or dedicated processes). A little annoying but bearable in my opinion.
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You can, on Windows at least.
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12-10-2019, 09:43 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by p4thie
You can pass your Windows scaling setting for most of plugins by making them running in a separated process (or dedicated processes). Reaper will do x64-bridging for them, and they'll follow your Windows scaling settings. Although this function is not for GUI scaling (it is for plugin-sandboxing, speaking of which you should take advantage of), it serves as a solution to small plugin windows.
The drawback is that you cannot embed plugins in FX windows when they are in a separated process (or dedicated processes). A little annoying but bearable in my opinion.
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The major disadvantage for me is that plugins running in a separate process will steal all keyboard focus, your key commands for play/stop/record/write automation/ or (most annoyingly) close FX window, will all be ignored.
Check out the latest pre-release versions, the feature you're requesting is here, and it works very well for most plugins (problem plugins I've found include komplete kontrol, kontakt and nebula, but those plugins have the same issue with S1 when using their per-plugin HiDPI scaling, so I'm not gonna blame Reaper for that one).
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12-10-2019, 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by EvilDragon
You can, on Windows at least.
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Yes, that was my mistake. However if you embed bridged plugins that are not capable of GUI resizing, they ignore Windows scaling settings and you get small GUIs once again.
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Originally Posted by Joe90
The major disadvantage for me is that plugins running in a separate process will steal all keyboard focus, your key commands for play/stop/record/write automation/ or (most annoyingly) close FX window, will all be ignored.
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That is annoying too, it is nice have an option for per-plugin HiDPI scaling anyway.
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Originally Posted by Joe90
Check out the latest pre-release versions, the feature you're requesting is here, and it works very well for most plugins (problem plugins I've found include komplete kontrol, kontakt and nebula, but those plugins have the same issue with S1 when using their per-plugin HiDPI scaling, so I'm not gonna blame Reaper for that one).
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Really? I am using the v6.01+dev1209, can't find the option. Could you tell me where it is?
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12-10-2019, 10:26 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by p4thie
Really? I am using the v6.01+dev1209, can't find the option. Could you tell me where it is?
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You have to press the little + above the plugin when floating. Then you can find it under "Compatibility Settings".
Unfortunately this is not available via righ-click in the fx-browser. That would be more convenient.
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12-10-2019, 11:29 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by multibody
You have to press the little + above the plugin when floating. Then you can find it under "Compatibility Settings".
Unfortunately this is not available via righ-click in the fx-browser. That would be more convenient.
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Thanks. So, it works when a FX is floating (but it doesn't when embedded). Okay, that's nice.
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12-11-2019, 06:25 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by multibody
You have to press the little + above the plugin when floating. Then you can find it under "Compatibility Settings".
Unfortunately this is not available via righ-click in the fx-browser. That would be more convenient.
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For some reason, I can't make that work on a Windows 8.1 system, probably due to some customization I've made previously. I can turn the "HiDPI compatibility mode when floating window" setting on, but it does nothing on my setup.
What OS and DPI/scaling settings (both in REAPER and OS) this has been tested to work on?
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09-26-2023, 01:36 PM
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Just wanted to bump this FR rather than post an identical one. I've been experimenting with different options on my 4K monitor at 150% with Arturia's Acid V plugin, although it behaves the same for quite a few plugins including all of Arturia's. Aside from making Reaper's UI look terrible by messing with its DPI options or bridging the plugin without embedding the UI, there doesn't seem to be a great way to change how plugins scale in Windows.
Arturia offers UI scaling options within their plugins, but changing those makes it behave differently in different DAWs since the setting persists (e.g. Live, Studio One). I use multiple DAWs, so it's not really a great option for me. Other plugins don't have any options at all or have options but don't remember them between sessions (Serum comes to mind for the latter).
Here's Reaper with normal settings:
Ableton automatically scales plugins in a way that's more usable, as shown below.
Reaper bridged, which comes with the disadvantage of being popped out but scales well:
I understand that this may be a situation where plugin developers aren't necessarily doing the right thing, but it doesn't change that other DAWs are easier to work with in this configuration than Reaper. My workaround at present is to drag plugins to my 1080p monitor if they're too small, but it would be nice to have the option to scale like plugins do in bridged mode without bridging. Cheers!
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10-18-2023, 08:13 AM
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Just wanted to bring attention to this again since it looks like the behavior is the same in 7. I'm sure I'm not the only person wrestling with this and I'd hope it would be fixable given that the bridged UI is correctly scaled. I understand that there are only so many of you, but this is one of the biggest issues stopping me from using Reaper full time. Thanks!
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