Old 01-20-2012, 10:42 AM   #1
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Default MIDI Guitar: Fishman TriplePlay wireless pitch-to-midi

So yeah, this looks very interesting! Developed by the guy behind Axon units.




http://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/ind...35408#msg35408
http://acapella.harmony-central.com/...itar-converter
http://www.jcfonline.com/threads/126...=1#post1483681
Old video of a prototype in action
Video footage from NAMM 2012
More video footage from NAMM 2012

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Old 01-20-2012, 11:06 AM   #2
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Thanks for posting. I dont know why people play 4000 notes a second in demos. Drives me crazy.
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Old 01-20-2012, 11:33 AM   #3
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That horrible sounding shredding is probably done just to demonstrate the accuracy of the tracking.
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Old 01-20-2012, 11:37 AM   #4
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I have an Axon unit and if you play clean enough the tracking is flawless. I'd love to get my hands on one of these wireless things for my bass.
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Old 01-20-2012, 11:43 AM   #5
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That horrible sounding shredding is probably done just to demonstrate the accuracy of the tracking.
Thats just it tho.... I think slow dynamic playing would show off the tracking much better. Its hard to pick up missed notes when there are so mnay of them per second.

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I have an Axon unit and if you play clean enough the tracking is flawless. I'd love to get my hands on one of these wireless things for my bass.
I had a 50 USB. Thought the tracking was awful with a Godin. Tried everything. Sceptical of anything pitch to MIDI.

Fret X is where its at IMO. LAZERS!!!! He took down his page tho Wonder whats up?
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Old 01-20-2012, 02:04 PM   #6
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Cool that's under $300 supposedly, then you have to nail that sucker right into your wood, not real into that idea (again).
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Old 04-18-2013, 08:11 AM   #7
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Hey Jason,

Do the metal endpin brackets have some sort of padding covering them so that they won't affect the finish of the guitar (if it is used as the mounting option)?

How did you mount yours?

The only guitar that I have that I don't care about the finish on is a Variax. On that guitar, I'd be willing to mount this thing by sticking it on with the adhesives.

Which of your guitars do you have it mounted on, and how long did it take to set up the hardware?

Thanks in advance!
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Old 04-18-2013, 08:35 AM   #8
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Will it work on a bass guitar?

This thing is giving me GAS big-time!
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Will it work on a bass guitar?

This thing is giving me GAS big-time!
I think it might - but I wouldn't take that risk without contacting them.
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Old 04-18-2013, 02:37 PM   #10
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Will it work on a bass guitar?

This thing is giving me GAS big-time!
No, they are working on a bass version however. No other details have been offered about it yet.
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Hey Jason,

Do the metal endpin brackets have some sort of padding covering them so that they won't affect the finish of the guitar (if it is used as the mounting option)?
The side that meets the guitar has corky stuff on it.

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On the strap pin, pretty much lays flat against the body.

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The only guitar that I have that I don't care about the finish on is a Variax. On that guitar, I'd be willing to mount this thing by sticking it on with the adhesives.
Well, I still had to use an adhesive to mount the pickup, which I wasn't too happy about... but its a decent mounting system.

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Which of your guitars do you have it mounted on, and how long did it take to set up the hardware?
about 5 minutes. The hardest part was that the strings on my strat were a bit too low at first.
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Old 04-23-2013, 09:32 AM   #12
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Hey all,

I just did some digging. I felt I had better report what I heard. Some is from a user who got his on the 8th, so he has had time with the device.

First, this thing WAS indeed marked to be sold at $299, much like many of you speculated, but they did jack up the price by $100US just before release. This is confirmed info, but the 'why' of it is unknown (but I'm guessing an effort to bilk the buyer).

Second, this owner states it will only work in 32-bit DAW (but I doubt he knows about Reaper's great bridging, yet who can say if the bridging will work or be 100%?).

Third, confirmed -- comes bundled with 'NI Guitar Rig, Kontact Elements, Notion Progression, IK Multimedia Sample Tank 2 & Amplitube, Presonus Studio One'.

Can 'split' the fretboard by frets or strings, max 4 splits, much like a controller keyboard can usually be split, etc.

I am told it is not perfect but is better that the Roland guitar synths models for tracking. The chap said it is so far best he has used for this purpose.

And just for comparison sake, the GR/VG hex pickup, available separately, sells for $219 for that setup.
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Old 04-23-2013, 10:43 AM   #13
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Wow, I have to shake my head at posts like this. It makes me wonder why someone would slam a product they appear to know so little about.


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First, this thing WAS indeed marked to be sold at $299, much like many of you speculated, but they did jack up the price by $100US just before release. This is confirmed info, but the 'why' of it is unknown (but I'm guessing an effort to bilk the buyer).
The 'why' of it is NOT unknown, the price was upped due to the software licensing, which also pushed the release date back. The pickup was also modified in design over the year (when the initial price was stated) since it was announced and when it was released.


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Second, this owner states it will only work in 32-bit DAW (but I doubt he knows about Reaper's great bridging, yet who can say if the bridging will work or be 100%?).
100% false. Unless you are mistaken in thinking you have to use the Fishman app in the DAW. Perhaps if you wanted to do string splits, etc, that would be the only thing. However, I use it just fine in 64 bit, and only use the app to set the individual string sensitivity, which is then saved to the unit.

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Third, confirmed -- comes bundled with 'NI Guitar Rig, Kontact Elements, Notion Progression, IK Multimedia Sample Tank 2 & Amplitube, Presonus Studio One'.
The first thing you got right in this post. Don't know why your posting stuff that can be easily found on the Fishman website though.

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Can 'split' the fretboard by frets or strings, max 4 splits, much like a controller keyboard can usually be split, etc.
Yep.

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I am told it is not perfect but is better that the Roland guitar synths models for tracking. The chap said it is so far best he has used for this purpose.
It FAR exceeds anything Roland has ever made up to this point. Almost every glitch I've had comes down to 2 things, the sample or the technique. The more I tweak those 2 things, the less problems I've noticed. And there aren't many.

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And just for comparison sake, the GR/VG hex pickup, available separately, sells for $219 for that setup.
$219 for just the pickup
Another $50 for a finicky 13 pin cable
And what about something to plug it into?

Ok, even if we forget the floor unit...

just for comparison sake an additional $130 will allow me to transmit wirelessly with VERY little latency, track way better that Rolands, comes with recording SW, VST's, notation, etc., is small enough unit that it fits in the normal guitar case, and if I want to remove it I can do so in 2 seconds by sliding out the pickup from it's mounting tab, and snapping loose the control unit since it's held on by magnets.

The choice for me is simple. It's much much cheaper, and performs better than anything else out there. If you don't like it, don't buy it instead of spouting false info.
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Old 04-23-2013, 02:13 PM   #14
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I'd assume the $100 is for the bundled software and/or other stuff. Milking the customer is relative IMHO since I'm assuming they have the same policy I mentioned I have above about getting out what you put in, nevertheless we don't know and I kinda don't care at least for my personal satisfaction.

I spoke to a couple of my industry friends around the country on the production end of things (who use a triple play) a few moments ago and got a thumbs up from both FWIW. Mine will be on my doorstep by 10AM tomorrow.
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And just for comparison sake, the GR/VG hex pickup, available separately, sells for $219 for that setup.
yeah and that doesn't even get you started
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Old 04-23-2013, 03:38 PM   #16
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There are two kinds of people... Those who understand and appreciate the free market, and those who think they have some better system for setting prices.

When prices are set by any other system, there is always a shortage or a surplus. If you are the buyer, a surplus is nice. But if you are the seller with stuff you can't sell, you aren't so happy.

Of course, we are also free to complain about the price whether we buy the item or not.

In a free-market (and honest) transaction, both parties benefit!!! If either party won't benefit, they are free to back out (or ignore the offer) and there is simply no transaction. Nobody ever gets ripped-off (in an honest transaction where there is no fruad.)

I used to think that there was a winner and a looser in every transaction, and the best-case was "break-even" or a tie. But I was wrong... Everybody wins! There is no point in going to the trouble of buying something only to "break even", and you certainly won't buy something to come-out behind... You will only buy if you can come-out ahead, and the seller will only sell if he/she can come-out ahead!

Of course one party can "win bigger" than the other party, and you're free to complain about that too! But, there is no better way to set prices than by free-market agreement between buyer and seller.
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That's the first thing I learned when I studied contract law. Not to be a lawyer but in order to successfully run a small corporation. If it is a good and honest contract both parties win, no questions. There is no need to one-up the other on a contract, the goal is for it to give each person something they are happy with, otherwise, stay away from it.
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Old 04-23-2013, 07:26 PM   #18
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Didn't they guy who designed it spent a decade just on this design? The price is worth it if you know and how to play midi guitar and not some delusional expectations of what midi guitar is.
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Soloist, you can go on shaking your head all you'd like if it suits you. I was using the Roland GR guitar synth by 1983, back when many forum members were still in diapers. I think I can safely say I know a little about this latest rig. As for what the GR/VG hex pickup will or will not do, I couldn't care less. I was merely posting the current price of that hex pickup.

And as far as the rest of this goes, I'm pretty well immune to the attitudes and behaviours I see here. Must have been all those charming moments I used to spend over at KVR, dancing with the trolls and sycophants. I just don't suffer fools and dodgy business ethics very well. But, hey, go knock yourselves out -- go and let Fishman empty your wallets! If I ever do decide to purchase this item, which remains extremely unlikely, it won't be for the full retail. This much is certain. I was already offered a spot on a group buy, but I expect I'll pass on that anyway. You do realise this unit has been out since the 1 April, do you not?

I want to see evidence of the claim that they jumped the price an hundred due to licensing. Show the proof, because I don't buy that either. You must think Fishman is so incredibly stupid and didn't know about a last-minute 100 quid fee? Bollocks! That's an outrageous per unit cost for 'licensing' in the first place. Complete nonsense. I both trust and verify my own sources. As for all this blather about free markets and business, I say more bollocks as well. I have encountered few if any business 'experts' ever on any audio forum, so don't start with economic lectures. Go own a few businesses of your own, then you can talk to me. It's as simple as the old adage, 'Whatever the market will bear', and I strongly suspect Fishman's marketing department has read the lot of you all too well. You show me one other discipline or area of artistic pursuit in which its members will pay through the nose over and over again, for artificially contrived and maintained prices -- that's one definition of insanity, you know. Only the U.S. medical equipment industry rivals what's been going down in these DAW and software forums, and even they might blush at your masochism. Say, just for example, you want to see the real worth of Wave's plugins? Go have a gander at all the slashed prices and 24/7 fire sales they have had these last few months. Apparently, the market would no longer 'bear' Waves formerly silly pricing, so they have been reduced to something closer to reality.

Look around -- I see lots of prices at the most hyped companies finally being slashed. It's high time too -- many are thieves. Many more would come down to something more respectable if so many on all the audio forums would cut the snob appeal, trendiness factor, and use some common sense (and your ears). Honestly, I've been all around our tiny planet, and I've never seen this degree of irrational spending behavior anywhere else . . . well, except perhaps Thailand's opium dens, American gambling casinos, and people selling their souls for quack miracle cures. Now, please, kindly excuse me before this thread goes full fanboi and the real oral foaming sets in. Cheers!

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