Old 10-26-2008, 11:07 AM   #1
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Arrow Configuring Multi-Output VSTis

Regrettably ImageShack had whacked all the images. I found the images on my computer here and have uploaded them to imgur.

Here is my own view of setting up multi-output (and multi-timbral) VSTis in Reaper 2. Nicholas has included a version of this in the User Guide and I thought that it would be useful to make the full version available.

I will describe three methods below. The "Fast-track" method is the way to choose for your first venture into multi-output VSTi routing.
  • the "Fast-track" method,
  • separate MIDI Input and Audio Output tracks,
  • combined MIDI Input and Audio Output tracks.

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hopi has written a PDF guide to Multi-Out VSTis, for newcomers. You can download it from this thread:

http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=114241

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There is a separate thread, for questions and comments, here:

http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=74278
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Old 10-26-2008, 11:07 AM   #2
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Default The "Fast Track" approach [Kontakt 3]

1 Load the VSTi.
Right-click in an empty area of the track control panel, select "Insert virtual instrument on new track".
The FX Browser will appear. Browse to your desired VSTi, double-click it to load it (I am using Kontakt 3, 8 outputs here).

... Big pic: https://i.imgur.com/QvCTiiq.png

Reaper will report that it is about to build the output audio tracks for this VSTi; click [OK].
... Big pic: https://i.imgur.com/TZqdWLL.png

2 You now have a single MIDI input track for the VSTi and the VSTi's output audio tracks.
... Big pic: https://i.imgur.com/NymCe7l.png

3 Here is the Routing panel (click [io] on the VSTi track):
- you will see that Master/Parent Send is unticked, so any audio is not sent to the Master Mixer,
- and that the channel pairs are sent to the 4 audio tracks.
... Big pic: https://i.imgur.com/6iMnd7j.png

4 All you have to do now is load the Instruments in the VSTi; in Kontakt 3:
- load each Instrument,
- set its input MIDI Channel, if needed,
- create the additional Kontakt Mixer channels if needed,
- set its Output to the desired Kontakt 3 Mixer channel,
- configure the Kontakt 3 Mixer, if needed, routing its output channels to the Reaper track's channels.

5 Here I am playing 2 instruments in Kontakt 3 with their audio outputs routed to Reaper tracks 2 and 4.
... Big pic: https://i.imgur.com/uYYG3lR.png
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Old 10-26-2008, 11:08 AM   #3
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Default ... and there's more

That's the basics. Some other things you can do are:

1 Colour the audio tracks and hide the VSTi track in the Mixer:
- select the tracks, right-click and select untick "Set track colors to one random color",
- select the VSTi track, right-click and untick "Show selected tracks in Mixer",
... Big pic: https://i.imgur.com/D9q6vSY.png

... Big pic: https://i.imgur.com/MXZMA44.png

2 Build separate MIDI Input tracks for this VSTi:
- in the FX window, click [Options] and select "Build 16 channels of MIDI routing for this track"
... Big pic: https://i.imgur.com/iHrMuVf.png

This would be the current Routing panel for the VSTi track:
- you will see that the track now receives MIDI Input from each of 16 tracks,
- note that all the MIDI received on each MIDI track is sent to a specific channel for that track.
... Big pic: https://i.imgur.com/M85GbEW.png

3 Manage the MIDI tracks:
Put the MIDI Tracks in one folder, name the folder, colour the tracks and hide them in the Mixer,
- insert a new track before the first MIDI track,
- click the folder icon once to set that track to Folder Start,
- insert a new track after the last MIDI track,
- click the folder icon once to set that track to Folder End,
- double-click the folder track name and edit it,
- select all 18 tracks, right-click and select a track colour,
- right-click again and untick "Show selected tracks in Mixer".

4 Enable Keyboard input for the MIDI tracks:
- click the Record [R] button on the VSTi track to turn it off,
- select all 16 MIDI tracks,
- click the Record [R] button to expand them,
- click the Recording Monitoring button to turn on Input monitoring for all 16 tracks,
- for each track, set the MIDI input channel, from 01 to 16,
- click the Record [R] button again to collapse the tracks.
... Big pic: https://i.imgur.com/GaM0kim.png

5 Manage the audio tracks:
- put the audio tracks in a second folder, name the folder and colour the tracks,
- colour the Folder Start track differently to make it distinct in the mixer,
- hide the Folder End track in the mixer.
... Big pic: https://i.imgur.com/9NqHTYo.png

6 And finally:
Save the tracks as a track template.

7 Here I have enabled for Recording MIDI channels 1 and 3 only. In Kontakt the instruments are routed to its mixer channels 1 and 3, and from there to the track's channel pair 1/2 and 5/6 and thence to tracks 21 and 23. I have also collapsed both the MIDI and Audio folders in the track control area.

... Big pic: https://i.imgur.com/hfqoAAv.png
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Old 10-26-2008, 11:09 AM   #4
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Default The "Fast Track" approach [SampleTank 2.5]

And here are the equivalent steps for SampleTank2.5 (32 outputs, 16 stereo channels). Yes, I know it's almost Bugatti blue but I prefer that to the Ferrari red default.

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Old 10-26-2008, 11:09 AM   #5
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Default Separate MIDI Input and Audio Out tracks [Kontakt 3]

1 Load the VSTi onto a track:
I am using the 8-output version of Kontakt 3 here (4 stereo channels).
Click the [FX] button which opens the FX Browser, browse to the VSTi, double-click it to load it.
... Big pic: https://i.imgur.com/wrW2GZC.png

2 Build 16 tracks of MIDI input and, for each track, select the MIDI input device/channel:
In the FX Chain window, click [Options] select "Build 16 channels of MIDI routing to this track".
For each of the MIDI tracks, right-click the Record [R] button, select the MIDI input device and channel.
... Big pic: https://i.imgur.com/jwYGLXK.png

3 Build the multichannel output for the audio routing, resulting in 4 output tracks:
In the FX Chain window, click [Options] select "Build multichannel routing for output of selected FX".
... Big pic: https://i.imgur.com/mmWsPSR.png

4 Minimise the tracks so you can see them all:
You will now have the VSTi track, the audio output tracks and the MIDI input tracks.
Press ` to minimise them all and rename them suitably, by double clicking the existing track name and typing in the desired name.

5 Configure the routing inside the VSTi; for Kontakt 3:
- create the additional Kontakt Mixer channels if needed,
- connect each Kontakt Mixer channel to the appropriate VSTi Reaper outputs,
- route each Instrument to the desired Kontakt mixer channel.
... Big pic: https://i.imgur.com/Bryg488.png

6 Put all the tracks in a folder:
Add a track in front of the Kontakt 3 VSTi track and one after the last track. Set the Folder start and end settings on these two tracks.
... Big pic: https://i.imgur.com/hVB8bDb.png

7 You can also remove all the MIDI input tracks and the VSTi track from the Mixer:
As these tracks do not output any audio, they do not need to be represented in the Mixer.
Select the tracks, right-click and untick "Show selected tracks in Mixer".
.... Big pic: https://i.imgur.com/v3k3ocW.png

8 Or you could put the MIDI Ins in one folder and the VSTi and Audio outs in another.
... Big pic: https://i.imgur.com/R1Z7Ngs.png

Here I have put the VSTi and audio tracks (coloured green) in one folder, the MIDI Input tracks (coloured rose) in another. I am playing my MIDI keyboard on channel 2, receiving those notes on Reaper track "MIDI 2" and have routed this to trigger the third instrument in Kontakt, sending the audio to its third Mixerchannel (named st.3) which is routed to the third audio output track ("Kt st.3 L) and from there to the Master mixer.

Finally, and most importantly, save the setup as a Track Template. Select ALL the tracks, right-click, select "Save selected tracks as track template", enter a name and click [Save].
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Old 10-26-2008, 11:10 AM   #6
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Default Separate MIDI Input and Audio Out tracks [SampleTank 2.5]

Here's the same thing using SampleTank 2.5.

Note that I renamed the audio tracks so that their names would display in the Mixer. In real life these track names would reflect the instruments loaded in the VSTi.
... Big pic: https://i.imgur.com/UgPq9Jh.png

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Old 10-29-2008, 12:18 PM   #7
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Default Darkstar's "Configuring Multi-Output VSTis" Discussion Area

I don't know if it's okay to post in this thread so please, if not, delete it.
But i think this thread is great.
Since i'm here in the forum i've read so much threads with questions concerning just this issue. (Mine too).
So i think just read this thread and don't ever ask again. (Me too)
Thanks!
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Old 12-13-2008, 08:30 AM   #8
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Darkstar,

This thread was most helpfull to me. I struggled a while with the routing at first, but that was before I discovered this very usefull thread.

Thanks a lot!
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Old 12-27-2008, 10:19 AM   #9
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Tks for the tutorials

I have a question, is it just me or when using the Combined MIDI / Audio tracks method, when looping it glitches on the begining of the loop


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Old 12-29-2008, 10:58 AM   #10
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Okay, I've tried this approach, but it doesn't seem to be working.

I am using VI.one which uses Kontakt Player 2, loading it onto one track as a virtual instrument, and from there creating 16 separate MIDI channels. Thr problem is that when I set up the individual sounds for each of the MIDI channels and go to those channels in Reaper, I can't hear anything.

Surely there's something I'm missing here...
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Combined MIDI / Audio tracks works well (ST2), except that my speakers crackle a lot when I set the Master/Parent Send for each track and project feedback

any ideas what causes that?
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Okay, I've tried this approach, but it doesn't seem to be working.

I am using VI.one which uses Kontakt Player 2, loading it onto one track as a virtual instrument, and from there creating 16 separate MIDI channels. Thr problem is that when I set up the individual sounds for each of the MIDI channels and go to those channels in Reaper, I can't hear anything.

Surely there's something I'm missing here...
Turns out there was. I forgot to make those MIDI tracks feed back into the track VI.one was set up on. Now it works just fine. Unfortunately, I've just run up against another brick wall--the Audigy 2 ZS makes a lousy sound card for pro purposes.

I'm investigating what card to get now. It doesn't have to be anything fancy; it just has to work in both Windows and Linux, be fairly recent and play nice with Reaper.
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thx guys,
i hope this helps
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this thing should be stickied in the general discussion area.
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Old 05-23-2009, 08:45 PM   #15
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This is the most helpful thread in the history of the universe. Many thanks, DarkStar!!
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Old 05-23-2009, 08:57 PM   #16
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Default Great job!

Thanx a lot Darkstar for the great job and taking your time to show us these steps.
Although i don't know about you guys but i think it's way too much of steps just to get a vsti load up, ouputs opened and assigned and midi inputs assigned with no headaches. Honestly, maybe it's just me and i'm not saying that Reaper ain't good but all these steps to get a everything that in many other daws out there achieve in i would say 3 steps.. for me i just don't get it. When the Devs are they going to make it simple and easy in opening vsti. Especially assigning multi midi inputs channels without having to open tones of windows and make tones of steps before.

And i don't want to start mentioning how easy it is to achieve this in other DAW.

But i'm confident that they will make this happen now that we are in V 3.0, they need to step up the game because there new DAW comers and the bar is raised for sure!!

Thanx again for this thread!!

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In post #3, image 352 you have all midi tracks minimized to thin lines and a few midi tracks open.

How do you do that?

If I completely minimize I can't get any of the midi tracks to remain open like that.
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Old 02-15-2011, 04:56 PM   #19
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Default Sample Tank 2.5xl and Akai MPK88 midi routing

of the three types of vsti that you discussed,

# the "Fast-track" method,
# separate MIDI Input and Audio Output tracks,
# combined MIDI Input and Audio Output tracks

Which do you recommend if what a person wants is to create a multi in ST and then trigger each part from its own corresponding midi channel. I have been very unsuccessful in getting ST to work as multitimbral instrument with my akai mpk88.

I also have miroslav and sonik synth and something tells me once I figure out my routing issue for ST my other two vst issues will be solved.

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Old 02-16-2011, 03:13 AM   #20
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"Fast track" will give you 1 VSTi track (for the MIDI clips) and 16 tracks for the audio output. Inside ST2 you should select a different pair of outputs for each instrument. You could then put all your MIDI clips on the one track.

If you want the MIDI clips on separate tracks, then Build the 16 channels of MIDI routing to the VSTi track; rename those tracks and put the MIDI clips on them. This will also set the Sends from those tracks to convert the MIDI to the 16 separate MIDI channels 9and may solve the issue in your other thread).

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I just woke up Darkstar, so bear with me....now is fast track when i do insert vst on new track and then select no to inserting the 32 channels of audio? or when i say yes to that?

How do you record 16 parts on one midi track without overwriting the previous data? I am sorry im just a noob here.

You know i bought the groove3.com's tutorial videos for sample tank 2 but the videos demonstrate using apples, logic. so i thought i should get groove3.com's Reaper videos and watch them first. did you ever watch the Reaper videos at groove3? if so do you think they will help me understand what you're saying better?

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Old 05-28-2011, 02:00 PM   #22
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This is a very detailed tutorial. thank you.

But when I right click and choose the new instrument, I don't get a browsable window, just a list of VSTs.

Where are all these VSTs?

I put a bunch into a folder I named VSTPlugins in the same folder as reaper, but Reaper doesn't see it.

How do I get Reaper to see my VSTi's??
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Old 06-23-2011, 08:53 PM   #23
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(To widetrack regarding this exact issue and question directly above, here's a solution for you)

I know it's about a whole month later, but just in the small case you haven't yet found the answer, or someone else is asking, I posted about this exact thing, once I finally figured it out and after I too struggled with this question for a few hours.

On this link, I start the thread with a question, however midway down you'll see the instructions I posted to do exactly this, "GETTING REAPER TO RECOGNIZE KONTAKT'S VST's. It will tell you what to do!

http://co.native-instruments.com/for...275#post887275

Hope this helps you or anyone else
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Old 06-25-2011, 08:01 PM   #24
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Default Fast Track

Quote:
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And here are the equivalent steps for SampleTank2.5 (32 outputs, 16 stereo channels). Yes, I know it's almost Bugatti blue but I prefer that to the Ferrari red default.

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Where are the written instructions
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Old 07-05-2011, 01:07 PM   #25
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Guys I am sorry but I am more lost now than I ever was. I don't want to sound negative, but I'm completely confused, as every time I try and find something to help guide me through the steps I need to get in order to achieve the results I'm looking for, I seem to find forums, videos etc, that never really take me from A to Z.


They either start from G and seem to end at Q, or they are explained in technical talk that speaks to me like I know what something is or where it's located.


I am brand new to Kontakt and Reaper both. I'm trying to get it set up so that Reaper acts as my Master/Trigger and Kontakt plays each instrument it's told to play through Reaper's sequencer.


To be more clear so that it's understood exactly what I'm trying to do, let's pretend I'm trying to set up a 4 piece band. I want four sequencer tracks (drawn in on Reaper) each with their own corresponding instrument on Kontakt.


For the first sequencer track on Reaper, I want it to trigger the guitars from one of the guitar libraries I have in Kontakt's library. For the second track on Reaper, I want it to correspond with the bass. For the third, drums, and fourth we'll say another guitar or other sound/instrument etc.


How do I set this up? I've followed just about every step out there, but every time I attempt to do it, I get completely lost. Either the words are changed due to different versions of both programs. (I'm on Kontakt 4 and Reaper 3.76 by the way) Or I hear things explained that talk to me like I'm supposed to know what certain terms are, where they are located, or what it means, when I have absolutely no understanding of certain technical terms and locations, etc.



For instance, under the section from above: Separate MIDI Input and Audio Out tracks [Kontakt 3]

Under step 5 it says:

5 Configure the routing inside the VSTi; for Kontakt 3:
- create the additional Kontakt Mixer channels if needed,
- connect each Kontakt Mixer channel to the appropriate VSTi Reaper outputs,
- route each Instrument to the desired Kontakt mixer channel.

lol, sorry, but I have absolutely no idea what any of this means or how to do it. How do I create the additional Kontakt mixer channels? How do I connect them to the appropriate VSTi Reaper outputs? How do I route them? See how hopeless I am? lol.



also under step 2 (same section) it says:

2 Build 16 tracks of MIDI input and, for each track, select the MIDI input device/channel:
In the FX Chain window, click [Options] select "Build 16 channels of MIDI routing to this track".
For each of the MIDI tracks, right-click the Record [R] button, select the MIDI input device and channel.

When I right-click record/arm button on each of these tracks, it gives me different options. I go to "Midi Input" and then I have the following 3 options: Virtual Midi Keyboard, All Midi Inputs, and Map Input to Channel.

For what I'm trying to do, which one do I need or do I not even go to "Midi Input" but instead am supposed to be selecting something else?



I could really use help from someone walking me through the beginning, to the end. I hope I don't come off as needy, but I'm just so lost and have tried and tried off and on for weeks (between my schedule) to figure out what I'm doing with no luck or understanding if I'm doing it right.


I do not need pictures (as I don't want it to be any more troublesome or burdening than it needs to be). Just step for step instructions that say, "step one, do this... step two, now click on this... and select the following option (as it's listed)" instead of saying technical things like, "now route your such and such to this cadabber" as I end up saying, "what in the world does this mean" lol.


Also, if it's located in a certain spot or drop down menu or window, it would be extremely helpful if it would say something like, "now a window pops up, and to the left you'll see a small green box that says ... click that and select..."


I am very grateful to all who have helped and taken time to post things like the above and it's very thoughtful of you all who've put fourth the effort and energy to give us info, but unfortunately, I just am not getting it do to being brand new to all this kind of info. Thanks again my friends for anyone who has tried to help me so far, and thanks for being patient with a complete noob lol.
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Old 07-05-2011, 01:35 PM   #26
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Have you tried this?
http://tutorialsforreaper.com/2010/0...ment-properly/

Seems to be just what you're looking for (except it's a video, and not written out )
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Old 07-06-2011, 05:53 AM   #27
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Yes, the steps I described do assume a working knowledge of Kontakt and the basics of Reaper.

So here's another try.

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To be more clear so that it's understood exactly what I'm trying to do, let's pretend I'm trying to set up a 4 piece band. I want four sequencer tracks (drawn in on Reaper) each with their own corresponding instrument on Kontakt.
In Reaper:
-- right- click below any existing track headers (Track Control Panels, or TCPs)
-- select "Insert Virtual Instrument on new track,
-- select Kontakt by double-clicking it,
-- on the "Building Routing Confirmation" window, click "Yes" is you want separate audio outputs for each Instrument, otherwise click "No"

In Kontakt:
-- see Chapter 14 in the Kontakt manual for full details
-- open the Outputs section, by clicking the Mixer icon at the top
-- click [Add channel] 3 times to add three more Output channels to Kontakt
-- if there is a Surround 5.1 channel, select it and click [Delete channel]
-- you should then have 4 main channels and 4 Aux channels
-- for each of the main channels, click [Conf], type in a name ("st.2") etc, and select the physical outputs by clicking them and selecting from the list (st.1 should go to the first two plugin outputs, st.2 to the next two etc
-- you may need to close and re-open Kontakt to apply those changes (I don't here)

-- load your 4 Instruments into the Kontakt Rack
-- for the instruments, change the Outputs to st.1, 2, 3, 4 respectively and the MIDI Ch to [A] 1, 2, ,3 or 4 respectively

Now you have 4 instruments in Kontakt, each receiving MIDI on its own channel and sending its audio out on a separate channel

Back in Reaper:
-- set up 4 tracks to send MIDI to Kontakt
-- select the Kontakt track
-- click [Track], select "Insert track", repeat 3 more times
-- for each of those 4 tracks,
drag the [io] button onto the Kontakt track
in the pop-up dialogue, click on the "v" next to "Audio 1/2" and select "None",
click on the "v" after ">= All" and select the MIDI channel for that track
double-click the track name area and type in the Instrument name
Now you have:
4 tracks routing MIDI into Kontakt, each using a different channel,
4 Instruments in Kontakt each receiving MIDI on a different channel,
4 output channels in Kontakt, each receiving a different Instrument's audio
many output tracks in Reaper, the first 4 receving the audio from Kontakt.
You can delete the additional output tracks if you want.


HTH


Save all the tracks as a track Template
-- select them all (click the first, Shift+click the last)
-- right-click, select "Save selected tracks as track template"
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Old 07-06-2011, 12:09 PM   #28
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Kevin thanks much my friend. Yes I had seen that video, but I went back and tried it again, and seemed to have more success. It still for some reason doesn't work for me when I follow the video. (I don't know if I have messed up settings somewhere or what) However, I was able to improvise a bit and basically what I did was just click on each Reaper track's FX button, and added the 8 channel Kontakt for each of Reaper's tracks.

I guess you could say if I was running 4 tracks, each with their own corresponding instrument, there would be 4 Kontakt tracks/instruments and 4 instances of Kontakt running. But if it works then it works. I guess I was just wanting to make sure that I was doing it right.

Either way, thanks so much for your help and response. Now I'm gonna try DarkStar's directions above, I'm sure I'll find many things I was missing.

Also, I am out of town right now and all my stuff is at home. I'll go ahead and just google, but I'm hoping I can find a pdf manual for Kontakt. I'm sure they have one.

Thanks again all. DarkStar, thanks again for all the information you've put forth for all of us. I'm gonna be trying your post above soon as I get back from taking care of a few things today.

Thanks all
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Old 11-06-2010, 03:17 PM   #29
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Default SampleTank and Routing to load one instance of ST

So, I agree with some of the comments regarding Reaper not being as easy as Cubase regarding routing. Cubase makes it easy for people who grew up on MIDI. I'm old, thus one of those. Enough about Cubase.

I left the Cubase fold because Reaper offered such configurability (probably a bit much for my old brain). Reaper also, IMHO, sounds better and continually provides better workflow. And, I actually like the Reaper community. You guys are awesome with information, and the developers get right in the thick of it. You wouldn't see that anywhere else. Okay, enough Reaper cheerleading...here's my issue related to the Multi-out VSTs topic:

I want to load one instance of my multi-out VST (SampleTank 2.1 XL), loaded up with six instruments, for example, each on separate MIDI channels (configured in ST). I then want to record each of those channels individually. So, I might have Piano, Drums, Guitar, Synth, each on separate channels.

Then, I want to be able to go to a track in Reaper and control channel 1 - Piano, Channel 3 - Drums, individually. I don't want a combi. I want individual track control (if I want a combi, I can just layer by arming the individual tracks). The obvious benefit to what I want is not having to pull up multiple instances of SampleTank, which starts to wear on me after awhile (not to mention slowing down my machine).

If any of you use SampleTank 2 or Sonik Synth 2 and have figured this out, I would love to hear get a walk through. Thank you for your help.

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Old 11-06-2010, 04:29 PM   #30
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If I understand you correctly:

New project
insert virtual instrument
options build multi-channel
gets you there.
Inserting a midifile on the first track allows you to test the individual tracks.

You could also build the 16 channels when you do the multi-outs.

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Old 01-15-2011, 11:24 AM   #31
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this can really be a pain when all you want to do is track some midi performances and do some sequencing. having to double up on ever track just to do a "pre-mix" is a little annoying.
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Old 02-06-2011, 07:18 PM   #32
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Default Adding VST effects after routing

Firstly, I am so thankful for this thread (and similar entry in the manual) because it has got me a long way. I only started using Reaper recently, and it has so far been the best DAW decision I have ever made!

So, to my question:

Up unto this point I have been I have had success adding Kontakt 4 to a track and configuring it properly as a multi VSTi...I can get all the virtual instrument to send to their desired tracks perfectly fine. The problem for me comes in when I want to add additional effects or plugins.

For example, let say I have 8 instruments loaded into Kontakt 4, with a piano as my midi#1 output...it sends to the appropriate track, where I have a few midi notes in that track...now I want to add some reverb to this track, but don't want to use the built in reverb from Kontakt 4...lets say I was to add REAPER's reverb....how can I accomplish this?

If I add it directly to the track where the midi notes are, it doesn't register anything because I suppose that track is actually sending the info to Kontakt 4 which actually outputs the sound. If I create a bus with reverb and send Kontackt 4 there, it puts reverb on all of the instruments, not just the piano.

I have been at this for days now fiddling with routing configurations and just can't seem to get it,...there must be something simple I am overlooking, please help!!

Thanks so much!!
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Old 05-28-2009, 10:40 AM   #33
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Arrow Fewer audio output tracks

Next episode:

Let's say that you do not want all the possible audio outputs for the VSTi. perhaps you only want 8 stereo outputs although 16 are available:

Create the output audio tracks:
... Big pic: https://i.imgur.com/j9D4CnO.png

... Big pic: https://i.imgur.com/XjlToNT.png

Result: 16 stereo audio output tracks for the 32 outs from the VSTi:
... Big pic: https://i.imgur.com/Nx7nZDS.png

Remove the unwanted tracks:
.... Big pic: https://i.imgur.com/ML9iFxs.png

... Big pic: https://i.imgur.com/eXtKHpX.png

... Big pic: https://i.imgur.com/1KmyxqR.png


Check the routing from instruments to outputs within the VSTi:
-- make sure that none exceed 16 (as in the screenshot)
-- or route them in the Plug-in Pin Connector window to one of the 16 track channels
... Big pic: https://i.imgur.com/lLLKxvA.png

Save all 9 tracks as a track template
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Old 01-31-2010, 08:21 AM   #34
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Default Hiding unneeded tracks and keeping PDC

Many thanks to Tallisman for posting this reply on another thread. I've edited it slightly to put the information into context.

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Several of us spent a long time making this work as good as possible, but there was always a price to pay. The costliest was the demise of PDC!

For this routing scheme to work you need the following for best results:
- Folder Track (to hold the whole thing)
- - VSTi Container track (multi channel = number of outs desired)
- - hybrid tracks (Midi & Audio tracks) - one per output

The hybrids must be routed to send midi to the VSTi container only (the portion of the send referring to audio is disabled! These tracks will automatically route their audio to the folder track which serves as a submix for all of the instruments outputs. The VST container track must send audio, and only audio (NO MIDI) to each of the Hybrid tracks.

Folder
| - VSTi (receives Midi but no audio from hybrids) (sends audio but no midi) (does not send audio to folder)
| - - hybrid 1: Send:Midi(to VSTi) all==>01 Audio None ==> none
| - - hybrid 2: Send:Midi(to VSTi) all==>02 Audio None ==> none
| - - hybrid x: Send:Midi(to VSTi) all==>x Audio None ==> none

and of course enable "allow feedback routing"

But why?
The reason I used to do it was so that my Stylus RMX or Kontakt 3 templates would not consume 38 tracks worth of GUI space. And for that I paid the price - I was not able to use some plugins on the audio returns of those instruments as some plugins would make everything fall out of sync by introducing delay.

- - - - -
Then, about a year ago, Cockos introduce a new feature. They allowed us to hide a track from either the TCP or the MCP - this was a happy day and a long time coming. With it I could now reclaim Mixer space and TCP space.

Very shortly after Cockos gave us that candy, Tim ("SWS") decided he would blow it off the hinges. The SWS extension introduced a full featured Track management feature-set.

This SWS blowout enables me to make my 38 track K3 template begin life in my projects as 4 tracks in the TCP and 4 tracks in the mixer. All 38 (or so) tracks are present in the project but most are hidden until they are needed (then deleted if not needed near mixdown). You see, the settings tweaked using the SWS extension are saved with the track templates. So, when I add the Kontakt3 template this is what happens:
-- TCP gets the Folder (submix / overall volume control) and 4 visible MIDI tracks,
-- MCP gets The Folder track and 4 visible audio tracks.

The rest are hidden from both the TCP and MCP, but can be made visible when they are needed.

Thanks to SWS I gained control over my projects and unruly VSTis without sacrificing plugin delay compensation.

greetings
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Also, please read this, from Justin:
http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...1&postcount=51
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Old 07-06-2011, 03:42 AM   #35
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On DarkStar's request I moved all questions and remarks into the accompanying discussion thread: Darkstar's "Configuring Multi-Output VSTis" Discussion Area.

In the interest of keeping this one maintainable and informative, please use the linked thread for questions and discussion.

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