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Anyone doing it? Hows it working with REAPER? Problems? I see OSX86........ does that mean you can only access 4GB of RAM?
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I don't see any reason for building a Hackintosh for Reaper, it performs miles better on Windows!

I was looking into doing it myself originally, but after trying Reaper on Windows again, I even run Reaper in Win7 via Bootcamp on my Macbook Pro now instead of on OSX.

The other thing is I couldn't find one single fool proof guaranteed to work build online, it seems like a constant uphill battle to keep the machines working, installing this kext and that kext trying to get your sound driver working, or having sleep lock up your computer, etc. Eventually I decided on just looking for a deal on a quadcore Mac Pro via eBay (before changing my mind again and going the PC route that is). You can get an older model with 2.66ghz quad and 4gb of ram for $1200 pretty easily. To me it's worth the extra $300 to have a real Apple machine that I know is going to run OSX properly with no issues and save me all the headache of trying hundreds of different part configurations trying to get a Hackintosh build to run smoothly :/
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I was going to but after much research I decided it was like going to a casino with money that I had to spend on food and rent - a stupid risk.
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glowing recommendations so far what about the ram thing guys?
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glowing recommendations so far what about the ram thing guys?
64 bit will allow you to access more RAM, correct?

My point is that it's safer, wiser to work within the system for which a computer is built. I didn't want to spent 3 months on forums farting around with .kext files. I have a graphics card that is not supported properly...what kind of problems would I encounter, besides having to learn things that I don't really care about. I want to make music.
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64 bit will allow you to access more RAM, correct?

My point is that it's safer, wiser to work within the system for which a computer is built. I didn't want to spent 3 months on forums farting around with .kext files. I have a graphics card that is not supported properly...what kind of problems would I encounter, besides having to learn things that I don't really care about. I want to make music.
im with u 100%!!!! BUT, i can build a powerhouse for like a 3rd of the price! there are guys in toronto(hi neighbor) that do all the work(headaches) for you.

just thinkin about it. its an osx 86 so i dont know if you can use more than 4GB?? i googled and its all kinda hazy.
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You can definitely use more than 4gb of RAM if you install Snow Leopard... But dude you have to FORCE Snow Leopard to boot into 64 bit mode, OSX is still very 32 bit in general. You would also need to use the 64 bit version of Reaper, and 64 bit plugins.

If you are using this machine for Reaper in the studio exclusively, why on earth would you build a PC, then try and get OSX running on it, when Reaper would run 1000 times better on Windows 7 on that very same machine?

If my Macbook's trackpad worked as awesomely in Windows as it does in OSX, I would wipe OSX off of my Macbook entirely and go with Windows 7. OSX in general is so sluggish compared to Windows :/
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If my Macbook's trackpad worked as awesomely in Windows as it does in OSX, I would wipe OSX off of my Macbook entirely and go with Windows 7. OSX in general is so sluggish compared to Windows :/
I'm pretty much with you there!
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alright alright. u guys win
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alright alright. u guys win


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my hackintosh i5 750 runs just peachy on snow leopard...
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my hackintosh i5 750 runs just peachy on snow leopard...
What kind of audio card or D/A interface are you running with it?
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Old 09-30-2010, 06:19 PM   #13
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I looked into it earlier this year, but ran away fast after looking at all the technical issues. I have enough to deal with already, and I have access to fully functional macs and PCs with full tech support on a daily basis. So why bother.

I know someone who has a fully functional hackintosh protools studio, and he uses it every single day w/o major issues. I was at his studio about 6 months ago, recording live takes. I was the recording engineer pushing all kinds of buttons! That was a fun and novel experience.

Again though - the technology is over my head. I have to rely on 'official' support, I don't want to deal with unsupported software / hardware.
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unless i'm mistaken all teh parts in a mac are just carefully selected parts that you could easily find in any desktop pc, however they are standardized and carefully selected.

if that's the case, then let's say you build your own pc from scratch. what exactly would be the parts you'd need to assemble in order to have a smoothly runnign hackintosh?

like what's the mobo in a mac and stuff? what's the soundcard?

or does mac actually manufacture their own boards, and all the parts like soundcard and wifi adapter and all that?

is it only the cpu that isn't mac?
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unless i'm mistaken all teh parts in a mac are just carefully selected parts that you could easily find in any desktop pc, however they are standardized and carefully selected.

if that's the case, then let's say you build your own pc from scratch. what exactly would be the parts you'd need to assemble in order to have a smoothly runnign hackintosh?

like what's the mobo in a mac and stuff? what's the soundcard?

or does mac actually manufacture their own boards, and all the parts like soundcard and wifi adapter and all that?

is it only the cpu that isn't mac?
This is the problem. There isn't a single list online of parts you can buy to build a hassle free Hackintosh. They all involve patching a bunch of drivers, fingers crossed, pray to god nonsense. And because PC parts are released and discontinued so frequently, a solid build that you find from 4 months ago can't be duplicated now because the motherboard is discontinued, or the graphics card is no longer available. Even then, there are so many permutations of the same motherboard available you can never know for sure it's going to work :/ Ugh, more hassle than it's worth.
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I think it comes down to technical prowess, too. I had just built a PC and wanted to "get on with it" rather than spend another month or more fighting my way through Hackintosh installs. I had tried one of the "ready made" OSX packages several times and it failed to install, so I gave up and used the Windows OS for which the PC was intended. I had enough problems learning how to get all that up and running perfectly.
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Old 10-01-2010, 01:34 AM   #17
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I run a steinberg MR816 alongside a tl audio fat-track. before that i used a yamaha n12. once you have a working system a hackintosh behaves just like any other mac. you just need to select the right parts - this site is helpful: http://tonymacx86.blogspot.com/2010/...mplete-pc.html

all you need is the iboot disk to enable the pc to recognise the snow leopard disk and the multibeast programme - both freely downloadable. works nicely for me anyhow.
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Old 10-01-2010, 03:34 AM   #18
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Yes but the whole point here is that Reaper(it is the Reaper forum) runs so much better on windows.Add to that the fact that x64 on windows is quite mature now, and it's a no brainer all round.

What could you possibly gain by running reaper on a hackintosh or even a regular Mac?


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Yes but the whole point here is that Reaper(it is the Reaper forum) runs so much better on windows.Add to that the fact that x64 on windows is quite mature now, and it's a no brainer all round.

What could you possibly gain by running reaper on a hackintosh or even a regular Mac?


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guess it just feels better for me. i was a windows man for years until i got a macbook. osx just feels much better. a personal thing. oh - and it doesn't really crash.
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Just so you know...

Some time ago I had to pass a bit of spare time and thought
"oh yes I could set up a dual-boot hackintosh on my PC"

completely messed up, didn't boot anymore, had to reinstall everything
maybe I wasn't geeky enough to do it

so just saying, be careful and make a backup before you do this (which I hadn't done of course)
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guess it just feels better for me. i was a windows man for years until i got a macbook. osx just feels much better. a personal thing. oh - and it doesn't really crash.
I've been a Mac user since 1993 and still am. I initially bought PC parts to build a hackintosh and then "maybe" install Windows sometime later. The reverse happened. I was also salvaging some good PCI hardware that Mac would no longer run in currently more powerful machines.

For me, the benefit is in the price and speed of the PC upgrade without losing the Reaper interface or performance that I became used to working on my G5. I don't use my PC for anything else because I don't like the look of the XP or app GUIs compared to what I'm used to on Mac.

But I have no desire to fight my way toward a working hackintosh when there is so much other work left to be done. Just me.
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From my experience...

once you know what kexts your box needs... you are golden. I have a hack running fine one an old dell optiplex 755, no issues. Reaper runs fine. Logic Studio 9.1.1 runs fine, it updates fine... I am about to store that image and migrate from 10.5.8 to Snow Leopard.

Here is the really odd thing - an unexpected (but hoped for) bonus, perhaps speaking to the prowess of the devs at serato (or lack there of, or at least underscoring their priorities). I had taken quite a long hiatus from the hackintosh scene, as mentioned, reaper on windows is more sufficient and offers other perks. Nevertheless, I have this nifty little controller - Numark NS7

and it is awesome or so I thought. Problem is that it worked fine on my q6600 win7 x64 with 6 gigs of ram, but it would barely work on any of the other boxes I had, including a core2duo dell 755 with 4 gigs of ram. It would burp and hang and shudder constantly. The CPU meter was pinned even at the highest buffer settings which introduced latency that rendered the dang thing unusable. I was at my wits end on this dell. It has the proper specs. So I was about to roll it back to Win XP just to see if that would be any better. While digging for my DUX disc, I found my iDeneb 1.6 disk and thought what the hell. It took about 6 attempts to get the build just right, but the first attempt was sufficient for me to see that I had to press on. My hack with incorrect kernel extensions still fired up. Serato Itch ran with the CPU meter never breaching the 1/4 mark, at the lowest latency. My mind was boggled:

My hackintosh runs Serato Itch and the Numark NS7 controller so much better than the same box running Win 7 Pro (32bit) that it is shameful. Now I have a cool (& fun) box, dedicated turntable controller, just in time to help test the r4 mac betas!

I guess this was a hijacking.
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My Hack works just fine. Although I've toyed with going back to Windows 7 at points, but I sometimes use Logic too, so I can't really do that.

The next machine I build will be an i7, and I'll probably dual boot it for a bit, to compare the performance.
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when you guys say that your REAPER on a mac is 'sluggish'. can you please explain exactly what you mean? does it use more CPU? more RAM? less stable?
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guess it just feels better for me. i was a windows man for years until i got a macbook. osx just feels much better. a personal thing. oh - and it doesn't really crash.
seriously though,it's a tool, using reaper x64 you can access all your ram,most samplers are now x64 for windows so you've a lot of choice.You'll also get way better latency under windows and better core balancing so all in all I can't see any reason to use Reaper under OSX.

the crashing thing is down to your hardware, i've just finished my 3 rd album using Reaper this year and not had one crash,yes, not one crash for the whole 3 albums and they've all been very different i.e one was lots of heavy VSTI use;Kontact 4 x64, EwPlay x64 etc the others were very audio based recording live musicians.


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I have a hackintosh here running 10.5 no problems,built it as a test last year. I also have a macbook pro but having used OSX for 5 years now along side windows I can definately say Reaper/Cubendo runs better on windows hands down.

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when you guys say that your REAPER on a mac is 'sluggish'. can you please explain exactly what you mean? does it use more CPU? more RAM? less stable?
By "sluggish" I mean that the GUI is much slower to respond than on Windows. Drawing a time selection on Windows feels MUCH different than trying to draw one in OSX. OSX is still good and usable, but on Windows it just feels so much tighter and responsive.

I get more crashes on OSX than I do on Windows as well.
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By "sluggish" I mean that the GUI is much slower to respond than on Windows. Drawing a time selection on Windows feels MUCH different than trying to draw one in OSX. OSX is still good and usable, but on Windows it just feels so much tighter and responsive.

I get more crashes on OSX than I do on Windows as well.
I see. In terms of performance would you say its the same? What are you doing when you get crashes? How big of a session? Buggy plugs? Do you have any idea why you are getting crashes?

Its just so weird to hear people say "go to PC.... its way more stable" it has always been the polar opposite.
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I can't say I've noticed a significant difference between Reaper on Win 7 and Reaper on OSX. It's really just about what OS you prefer, there is no concrete right/wrong answer.

I use OSX because there are other programs I like to use. But I kind of want to go back to Windows for some of the freeware out there.
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I can't say I've noticed a significant difference between Reaper on Win 7 and Reaper on OSX. It's really just about what OS you prefer, there is no concrete right/wrong answer.
Honestly? Man Reaper on Win7 FLIES for me when dual booting on my Macbook Pro, it is a sloth on OSX by comparison...

I have a bunch of macros that I have to actually wait for for them to run on OSX, on Windows I can hold the keys down and it'll happen a 30 times a second.

Reaper also crashes on OSX a lot if I try and undo too many things too quickly. Like if I try and revert back 10 undo states just by hitting undo 10 times quickly, almost guaranteed crash if those undo states contain macros. On Windows it keeps up no problem.

Don't get me wrong, I'm working in Reaper on OSX as we speak and having zero trouble, it responds as well as any OSX application more or less. But EVERYTHING is faster and more responsive on Windows for me. The screen redraws on OSX are just sluggish compared to Windows. A lot of it probably has to do with the fact that on Windows, Reaper is using proprietary drawing code (LICE) created by Cockos, whereas in OSX everything is done using the native methods.
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Honestly? Man Reaper on Win7 FLIES for me when dual booting on my Macbook Pro, it is a sloth on OSX by comparison...

I have a bunch of macros that I have to actually wait for for them to run on OSX, on Windows I can hold the keys down and it'll happen a 30 times a second.

Reaper also crashes on OSX a lot if I try and undo too many things too quickly. Like if I try and revert back 10 undo states just by hitting undo 10 times quickly, almost guaranteed crash if those undo states contain macros. On Windows it keeps up no problem.

Don't get me wrong, I'm working in Reaper on OSX as we speak and having zero trouble, it responds as well as any OSX application more or less. But EVERYTHING is faster and more responsive on Windows for me. The screen redraws on OSX are just sluggish compared to Windows. A lot of it probably has to do with the fact that on Windows, Reaper is using proprietary drawing code (LICE) created by Cockos, whereas in OSX everything is done using the native methods.
Something weird going on there dude, coz I don't get any of that. I'm running a Q6600 based hack, and the difference between this machine and the bunch of machines I use at the office with Reaper - it's fairly minimal.

*shrug* YMMV I guess.
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Something weird going on there dude, coz I don't get any of that. I'm running a Q6600 based hack, and the difference between this machine and the bunch of machines I use at the office with Reaper - it's fairly minimal.

*shrug* YMMV I guess.
I'm intrigued. I have the same experience as Adam about the difference between OSX and Win7 on the same machine.

Seems like you did something very right with your hack!
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I wouldn't buy parts specifically for a hackintosh.

Assemble a good (WIN) PC and be happy for the option to do a hackintosh.

It's really no brainsurgery anymore to install OSX. Dual boot is also no problem.

Get a Gigabyte Mainbord for Intel and a standard Nvidia card and you are done.

I have an Q6600 and it runs just fine.
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here's a current test of x scaling done on windows 7 vs OSX snow leopard using cubase 5.5, the results are pretty much the same for reaper 3.6 and presonus studio 1.5

The results show what most of us have experienced in the real world when using both platforms.

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Win7 all the way if you use Reaper!

if you need mac or some mac only software then Hackintosh is a defo penny saver IF you can afford to invest the time!

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Yes but the whole point here is that Reaper(it is the Reaper forum) runs so much better on windows.Add to that the fact that x64 on windows is quite mature now, and it's a no brainer all round.

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How so? I have used both on a G5 and a PC and have so far found reaper to run smooth and very speedy on my mac, and run sluggish and slow on my pc! (granted its vista) Soon to be win7 then i would hope for better results! Both test were of the same projects etc... And my Pc has faster graphics and processing compared to the mac.
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How so? I have used both on a G5 and a PC and have so far found reaper to run smooth and very speedy on my mac, and run sluggish and slow on my pc! (granted its vista) Soon to be win7 then i would hope for better results! Both test were of the same projects etc... And my Pc has faster graphics and processing compared to the mac.
Very strange. Reaper runs much better on Windows for me on the same machine! I'm running OSX 10.6.4 and Win7 via Bootcamp on my Macbook Pro. Reaper is without a doubt vastly more responsive when running it in Windows for me.
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and try using 12 gigs of ram under OSX As I've already said,the x64 environment is very stable and mature under window. Windows xp x64 has been out for about 8 years now so we've had 3 64 bit OS's under windows already, OSX is only really getting round to it.Leopard was a hybrid 32/64 kernel but no one could use the 64 bit address space as nothing had really been written for it.

Not trying to start a platform war but just look at the graph in my last post for some quantifiable difference between OSX and windows 7 regarding DAW performance.


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I started as a longtime Windows user, then did the hackintosh thing with a removable drive so I could switch between OSX and Windows on the same system. Because PT HD ran much better on my OSX install (less crashing due to memory errors), I ended up buying a Mac Pro. Though Reaper runs much better on Windows. It's not even close. Way more responsive, much less problems with plugins and even most themes seem to be optimized for Windows as the same theme just seems clearer on windows (because of the fonts probably..)
It sucks, because I prefer working in OSX, but Reaper is just running better on Windows. I hope this will change a bit and that it will get better on OSX.
I see no benefit of running Reaper on a Hackintosh and I don't care if you can run 362 plugins on Windows compared to 243 on OSX. Running 156 plugins is enough for me :-P
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Old 10-12-2010, 07:10 AM   #40
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Instead of taking the time to build a Hackintosh, just get a Quo, they guarantee that you can use any OS, including OSX, Windows, or Linux.
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