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08-07-2020, 03:42 AM
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Losing video after gluing?
Is this normal? I had split the single audio track on my video, selected all, did a glue items and the video is gone.
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08-07-2020, 03:55 AM
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Yeah, it's normal. I'm no expert on Reaper video, but I would copy the file before gluing, and to save video in altered/edited form, I think you have to re-render.
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08-07-2020, 07:03 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Quasar
Yeah, it's normal. I'm no expert on Reaper video, but I would copy the file before gluing, and to save video in altered/edited form, I think you have to re-render.
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that doesn't make sense to me though. Why would you lose the video when you glued the audio?
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08-07-2020, 07:34 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jzucker
Why would you lose the video when you glued the audio?
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video support has only been added to Reaper relatively recently. it was designed for audio & it seems to me that the video stuff is kind of tacked on as a bonus. my guess is that to fully incorporate video there would need to be a major overhaul of some of the underlying code or something?
You can select the file format for glued files, in project settings, but it's only audio options (or GIF maybe?) i think.
Last edited by domzy; 08-07-2020 at 09:17 AM.
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08-07-2020, 07:54 AM
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Yes, gluing a video track will indeed remove the video.
I work/play a lot with video and this is what I do...
- Duplicate the video track and glue the new track (reducing it to audio)
- Ctrl-F2 on the video track and check 'Ignore audio'
- Group both items (select items and hit 'G')
- I can now cut, copy sections of the tracks with or without ripple editing and the video/audio remain synced.
- With the video processor plugin (Jon Tidey's got some great VP presets if you subscribe/donate, btw) I can automate opacity on the video track for fades, cuts, zoom, crop etc.
- I can split and change the split item's playrates for slo-mo, speed up :-)
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Originally Posted by domzy
video support has only been added to Reaper relatively recently. it was designed for audio & it seems to me that the video stuff is kind of tacked on as a bonus....
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I think Jon Tidey (Reaperblog) would disagree with you - all his videos are produced in Reaper :-) I think Kenny Gioia's vids might also be made in Reaper too...
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08-07-2020, 08:25 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by uncleswede
I think Jon Tidey (Reaperblog) would disagree with you - all his videos are produced in Reaper :-) I think Kenny Gioia's vids might also be made in Reaper too...
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I meant from a software development angle - i certainly wasn't trying to say you can't achieve good results
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08-07-2020, 08:51 AM
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Human being with feelings
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Thanks!
Quote:
Originally Posted by uncleswede
Yes, gluing a video track will indeed remove the video.
I work/play a lot with video and this is what I do...
- Duplicate the video track and glue the new track (reducing it to audio)
- Ctrl-F2 on the video track and check 'Ignore audio'
- Group both items (select items and hit 'G')
- I can now cut, copy sections of the tracks with or without ripple editing and the video/audio remain synced.
- With the video processor plugin (Jon Tidey's got some great VP presets if you subscribe/donate, btw) I can automate opacity on the video track for fades, cuts, zoom, crop etc.
- I can split and change the split item's playrates for slo-mo, speed up :-)
I think Jon Tidey (Reaperblog) would disagree with you - all his videos are produced in Reaper :-) I think Kenny Gioia's vids might also be made in Reaper too...
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08-07-2020, 09:41 AM
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As a short excourse, what glueing does:
It takes the items that you want to glue and rerenders them and replaces the items with it.
But, this rerendering supports only audiofiles, like WAV,FLAC, etc, not video.
So if you glue two videoitems, Reaper rerenders them as audiofile and puts them into the project.
And as pure audioformats have no video at all, they loose the video in the process.
So you have only two options:
- "Handglueing": you render these parts as video yourself and put the rendered(handglued) videofile at the position of the original items and delete the old ones.
This will probably make the videoquality worse, unless you use lossless video(which is big).
The loss of quality and the time needed to glue videos as video(as it actually renders the stuff) is probably the reason, why it's not included for glueing in Reaper per se(my guess at least)
- Grouping Items: Glueing is often used to combine multiple items for easier editing, but this works also with grouping. So select the items you want and hit G and then they are in one group.
And if you move an item from this group around, all others will move too.
So if it's an organisational thing, grouping could be the way to go for you.
Maybe this helps you to circumvent the stuff a little.
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08-07-2020, 09:44 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by domzy
video support has only been added to Reaper relatively recently. it was designed for audio & it seems to me that the video stuff is kind of tacked on as a bonus.
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Video is in Reaper since Reaper 5 at least, so for many years now.
I remember, that preliminary video-support was even included in Reaper 4 but I hadn't used Reaper back then, so I might be wrong.
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08-07-2020, 03:30 PM
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can't think of any professional / prosumer video editor that lets you bounce in place.
seriously though. get in the habit of working with separate audio tracks and WAV files and things will be easier.
At least we don't have to transcode to prores!
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08-07-2020, 04:11 PM
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Would be cool though, if I could explode the audio out of the video, at least in the arrangeview. These things should be separatable if needed.
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Originally Posted by EpicSounds
can't think of any professional / prosumer video editor that lets you bounce in place.
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Funny thing is, that it's probably scriptable, so Reaper is theoretically ahead of the competition. Again
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08-07-2020, 04:17 PM
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Human being with feelings
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What I do...
It's a matter of duplicating and gluing the copy, then removing the audio routing for the video track. The original audio is still in the video track, but it's good to leave anyway, so that there is always an audio-sync reference point in case it is ever needed.
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09-01-2020, 01:41 PM
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The problem (as I see it) is not really that we lose the video if we glue it. The problem is that Reaper does not tell us that we will lose the video when we attempt to glue it.
I cannot understand this... Reaper "knows" that we are attempting to glue a video file, and the graceful thing would be to ask if we really want to do this, and tell us that the video will be gone.
And yes... I just did this before rendering, and all looked fine, the render took the same amount of time as it had done before gluing, went at 1.4x real time. But of course, the rendered file only contained the audio.
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04-23-2021, 10:27 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2019
Location: Poland
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I have hit the same problem. I have a longer video I just want to cut into pieces and have them in smaller chunks. Glueing of course doesn't work. It would have been nice to have a Movie glue action Anyone?
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