Old 07-04-2020, 04:54 PM   #1
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Okay,

I have a Hollywood score from the 60s with a part I can't quite identify. (It's actually the main Star Trek them from 67/68. Copyright prohibits me from sharing the entire chart.)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/sm4r8oel30...ry_li.jpg?dl=0

If you look at the linked image, you'll see I've indicated the mystery instrument.

I've arrived at the conclusion that the part above it is drums with 3 percussion instruments, the indicated is bass percussion of some sort. "Bass-1" seems to indicate a kick or primary concert bass drum. I can't make out the superscript notation.

If this is a percussion or drum part, why would the notes be above the staves and have accidentals? This seems to point to a double bass part, but why would it be all the way at the bottom of the chart? Wouldn't it be with the strings?

I know there are some fantastic sight readers on this forum. Sound in please!
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Old 07-04-2020, 05:18 PM   #2
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I'm not a sight reader. However:
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If this is a percussion or drum part, why would the notes be above the staves and have accidentals?
Tuned percussion, bass clef, high notes (ie, high given that it's a bass instrument)?
It doesn't look like a double bass part. I think it's probably timpani.
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I'm not a sight reader. However:
Tuned percussion, bass clef, high notes (ie, high given that it's a bass instrument)?
It doesn't look like a double bass part. I think it's probably timpani.
Interesting theory. What leads you to that conclusion?
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Interesting theory. What leads you to that conclusion?
1) Your conclusion that "the indicated is bass percussion of some sort" seems reasonable.
2) Pitch is clearly a factor here, and multiple notes are shown. It's not a kick drum.
3) One semibreve every few bars? Not very lively for a double bass part, right?
4) Listening to a treatment of the Star Trek theme on YouTube, I heard high pitched timpani.

(Semibreve = whole note, bars = measures.)
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1) Your conclusion that "the indicated is bass percussion of some sort" seems reasonable.
2) Pitch is clearly a factor here, and multiple notes are shown. It's not a kick drum.
3) One semibreve every few bars? Not very lively for a double bass part, right?
4) Listening to a treatment of the Star Trek theme on YouTube, I heard high pitched timpani.

(Semibreve = whole note, bars = measures.)
Excellent reasoning! I like this theory ao far.
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It's basically a process of elimination. I'm not saying that it couldn't be anything but timpani.... only, what else could it reasonably be?
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Also the marking, though I don't know what it means, is definitely not an upbow and besides they wouldn't indicate that for a whole note. But given how the sharp top right is drawn, I think that's a sharp in the first one. The second one is clearly a natural to me. Without the rest hard to say if there should be a key or not, but it's not uncommon for handwritten charts to not repeat the key on new lines like they should.
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Is this the original main theme by Alexander Courage? (see link below)

I'd say that it is bass guitar, though the handwriting is difficult to read.

Staff one: percussion (or drums), 3 players, in bar 4 (2/4 time signature) there's a syspended cymbal roll, going over into a crash cymbal in bar 5. Bar 9 is suspended cymbal again.

Staff two: electric bass, bar one has half note with a laissez vibrer (let ring) tie to it (C). Same for bar 5, but E#. Same for bar 8. There's no cleff, for bass I would expect bass clef.

https://youtu.be/EWSp5ijOOfk
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Is this the original main theme by Alexander Courage? (see link below)

I'd say that it is bass guitar, though the handwriting is difficult to read.

Staff one: percussion (or drums), 3 players, in bar 4 (2/4 time signature) there's a syspended cymbal roll, going over into a crash cymbal in bar 5. Bar 9 is suspended cymbal again.

Staff two: electric bass, bar one has half note with a laissez vibrer (let ring) tie to it (C). Same for bar 5, but E#. Same for bar 8. There's no cleff, for bass I would expect bass clef.

https://youtu.be/EWSp5ijOOfk
Yes it is the Alexander Courage theme. I would also have expected a bass clef if it was a bass guitar.

But it's worth a try. There's a low drone in the track, but I'd assumed that was tape hiss or 60 cycle hum from an amp of some sort.
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