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like the structure of this one better and the arrhythmic rhythms (oxymoron intentional). my only disturbance is the drum (sound) didn't quite fit this song for me.
just seemed that a less present snare (not volume-wise) would flow better. it also gives the song a sense of "sameness"--to prev tunes--that otherwise shouldn't/wouldn't be there.
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Cool that you picked that out Sam. As you noted, I WAS going for arhythmic rhythms, and THUS, I went for some drum patterns (actually joining some together) that hit where nothing else hit.

You will have figured out that I am (like you) impatient. I do not want the same thing to happen over and over. Like with chords. Like with drums.

I would rather take a long drive and see what there is to be seen across a long landscape RATHER than take the same goddam drive around the same goddam foursided block over and over. Know what I mean?

I am not a drummer. Drums confuse and bewilder me to the point of fascination. I love to hear drummers (Jack DeJohnette, Paul Motian, Tony Williams, etc) at their creative best, but I do not understand it.

So I will take your advice and revisit. thanks.
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nothing wrong with the drums per se (the programming); just that particular kit for this song. what do you use (you've stated it, but i've forgotten)?
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Just the default EZDrummer kit.

I would like to find a drummer I can talk with about drums. And take a week's worth of thrown-in-the-pool lessons. And learn about the options and the methods. But I don't know drummers who can discuss drumming. They just wanna drum.

I understand that Toontrack has some other kits and packages but without my knowing how to use them better, I figure I should not increase the range of tools I use badly.

Am listening as I type to OLD Coleman Hawkins (about 1940). WHAT a combination of down-dirty and inventive! And the drums [Shelley Mann and Cozy Cole] are INTEGRATED into the arrangement. Sometimes steady, sometimes pushing, sometimes filling, but NOT complicating or contradicting!
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Here is a semi-conventional song, with rather personal lyrics. Called "Erstwhile". Got no drums.

http://www.reverbnation.com/play_now/song_11661995
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Default hahahaha! :D

i just got in from clubbin and a little too tipsy right now to listen/comment properly, but i'll check it out tomorrow.
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i like the lyrics quite a bit (read along as i listened).
some quite cool keyb/guitar combo phrases that popped up in spots,
and i always like that organ. don't know what it is...

great tone on that thin distorted lead; fits right in with the rest. what guitar/effects do you use?
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lyrics and love your choice of sounds.
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Strange stuff, msore. Somehow it's interesting to me. It reminds of me of an ex-girlfriend (non-musician) who used to do weird shit with my 4-track while I was at work.
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Thanks for listening guys.

The wispy whistle sound is combination of two VSTs - The Soprano Recorder that was mentioned here on the forum a couple of weeks ago (great one!) in unison with a setting called "weep" (or "sorrow"?) in the SQ8L plugin.

Lead guitar is processed with Voxengo Boogex (played around with).
Organ is Rumplerausch's slide organ plug.

The lyrics are a response (I think) to repeated and ongoing discussions about how our culture has gone down the tubes since we have come to place more value on conformity and consumerism rather than on thinking and creativity. Partly personal and partly social.

No 4-tracks were abused during the making of this music.
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One more. Been on a roll. Than I will lay off and try to do things that are practical, productive, and normal for a while. (yeah right)

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Old 01-09-2012, 11:12 AM   #92
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the harp-ish sound captured me in this one. gives it almost has an "angelic" feel. like angels gone mad, and they're having an argument. ha! that sax is sounding pretty damned good too!

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Argument - great!

I figure too many songs sound like false, polite agreement, while the world I live in is full of arguing. Argument will get us a lot farther than agreement, eh?
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as long as it's not arguments between closed minds...
that would just stalemate to infinite "nothing."
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Sam, I have faith in humans and their minds. Even the closed ones are constantly rebuilding themselves, so there is a chance. What will prevent the closed minds from growing is a closed environment that is all fabricated with false polite conformity.

Besides, there are always kids. And kids are open-minded by definition. Long live the kids.
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Here is a song for my wife. Ethereal. Circuitously beautiful. She makes a non-singer sing, and a non-melody croonable.

http://www.reverbnation.com/play_now/song_11706515
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for real! that's why that 12 yr old inside of me will NEVER die.
he keeps me happy and infinitely creative because that level-headed, mostly left-brained adult can't manipulate him--so the adult is left to tend to more "appropriate" situations.

"...is all fabricated with false polite conformity."
sounds like some other non-Reaper forums i've tried.
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Here is a song for my wife. Ethereal. Circuitously beautiful. She makes a non-singer sing, and a non-melody croonable.

http://www.reverbnation.com/play_now/song_11706515
"she makes love like most women make excuses."

does she have a sister?
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No sister.

But there are plenty of women not polluted by the American pinpup image of womanhood.

[Aren't there????!!!!]
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Dog Life Human Life

Languages cultures and arguments everything human of course
should have been valued but got dragged behind a galloping horse
fetch your old bone
give it a feverish gnawing it won't forget.

What is not useful is dragged out of the hippocampus and set on fire
squalid conditions for living in the temporal neighborhood
not noticed slipping through the
follower of an unnatural goal the dog puppet.

All of the tables and chairs of a past apartment still with us
insensitive trail of tears in a tsunami of dry wit and carelessness
circle your dark corner
smell it and lie down in it chasing dream rats.
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Old 01-19-2012, 02:41 PM   #101
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An unabashedly jazzy piece with a fundamentally folky basis.

instruments include mixes of guitars, sax (Martin Best), bass, drums, recorder and sitar.

http://www.reverbnation.com/play_now/song_11838552

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Giggling Waters, with no drums. Guitars (electric), bass, piano, recorder and a low pad. Written yesterday morning on acoustic gtr. Recorded and arranged today.

http://www.reverbnation.com/play_now/song_11855654

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now that was a totally welcome surprise. LOTS of textures and tones to wrap around during the listen. really like the bluesy touches in spots. may i receive a dl link?
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The song is set for download at Reverbnation. Thanks.
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Here is a song about creativity, or productivity, and the lack thereof, whichever happens to be on or off at the moment. Fun. Is this jazz?

http://www.reverbnation.com/play_now/song_11874699

Spigot is on
just a fine drizzle
just a squirt
all over the place
all over me
and my face
and my pillows
and my brain.

Spigot is off
half way off
and on
making its noise
spitting a stream
turbulent
messy
uncontained.

Wake up full of cold
yesterday to play with but
the spigot is stuck.

Wake up full of hot
for washing out the pots
but I can't get it out.

Fishing nets are full
mackarel and tuna
I got a lot
to say today
big as the damn bay
as the northern shelf
as the ocean itself.

Spigot of song
backed up ready
to blow
dripping like a nose
ready to explode
in the touchy
middle trapazoid
between off and on.

Wake up full of cold
yesterday to play with but
the spigot is stuck.

Wake up full of hot
for washing out the pots
but I can't get it out.

Why isn't the spigot on
why isn't the spigot off
hit it hard
open it up
make your spigot work
and work and work
and wash it all away.
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i wouldn't label this as jazz, but it has jazz moments. more like experimental jazz. either way, it's not easy-brain music.
liryks are excellent.
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Thanks for listening, Sam. I agree on the labeling.

"jazz moments" - that's like smooth jazz right? [haha]

I got an old Mingus CD yesterday - The Black Saint and the Sinner Lady. The whole thing is moments! Where did that kinda jazz go? eh?
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prob where all the other genius music went
...into almost non-existence...

those who may qualify as genius now are mostly unknown
they just can't generate enough capital from the masses.
too challenging.
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Yes. Sam. In so many areas of life, the question of capability is there screaming at us.

I have conversations about politics, and a lot of the time people who want politics to go their way whatever way that is are people who are completely uninvolved in the political process.

Sports is something I love to do, but wonder when the stadiums and arenas of big time sports are all full of money-spending fans who have never played and could not ever play the sport.

With music too, it does seem that those who determine the shape of the industry and its directions are people with a few bucks to spend, but who are incapable of entering into the world of music.

What CAN you DO? The world screams that at us.

Okay. Earth to msore. Come back down.

So Sam, let me ask you, WHAT WOULD PEOPLE THINK if a serious local jazz band in your town (Atlanta??) announced that they were going to produce a concert honoring the music of Charles Mingus.

Would people buy tickets, be curious, know what the hell?
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ironically, it would prob do well here specifically.
Atl has been labeled "the melting pot of the South." and now w/o reason.
sooooooooo many people migrate here from all over (dunno why here, tho--the weather?).
if you take the mass transit system, it would be fairly difficult to not see Indians, Asians, Latins, etc along with the usual black/white population. I'm a native, and if i meet someone new, say at a party or something, it's generally about 95% guaranteed that they won't be from Atlanta originally.
All that was to say that because of that migration, Atl is turning into a fairly "artistic" city--specifically musically so. So yes and fortunately, a benefit like you mentioned would prob do extremely well. now if you mean, more broadly.... well...
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Here is a new song and arrangement, which I think was influenced by my listening to Mingus. It is an ensemble, with no single voice up front for very long.

http://www.reverbnation.com/play_now/song_11923283
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yes, this comes much more closer. know what did it for me? the piano.
it's like each song has a highlight that stands out for me and i never know what or sometimes in particularly why, but it happens. i think on your end, you're just making music as you normally would, but depending on the song, some things seem to shine more than others and it's usually subtle or not even primary.
could have used that wild Mingus bass tho!
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Oh yeah, the bass in this piece was originally designed to have the "boom" of Mingus' persistent bluesy shouting approach. But you are right it does not move enough, walk enough, push enough. I suspect the piano stands out as salient in the mix because of its uniqueness, and I would guess your ear went to the piano variation that is in the higher register (about 3/4 through?). There are two saxes (upper and lower), and there are two guitars, and there are essentially two bass instruments. So the piano stands alone.

One of these days I should play this piece on solo guitar, the way it was composed, just for contrast.

Thanks for listening.
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Here is a blues. Well, some trained in the 12-bar factory mentality of pop blues might cringe, but what else is it if not blues? Blues is not a goddam formula. Blues is ...

Curvaceous

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i disapgree; i think the blues does indeed have a "formula" as all "categorized" music. but the good thing is, the recipe is open to be altered and changed by musicians that don't have the 'factory mentality'--but their interpretation still counts within the genre.

...as with Curvaceous. you glanced at the recipe, then closed the book and added your own amounts of pinches and dashes--as well as a few ingredient substitutions.

...love that little drum roll at the end!
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Sam. Am I correct in assessing the history of blues music in this way? The farther back you go, the less 12-bar-ish it was. The more you consider blues in different places and times, the less 12-bar-ish it seems. And if one creates (somehow) a list of the BEST blues creations, and contrasts them with the fat mainstream of factory blues songs, the more you realize that the best blues are the ones that paid absofkinglutely no attention to the I-IV-V7 12-bar formula.

That's a strong statement, but it's needed, considering the fact that the blues is dead or dying.

As to the drums in the coda. Not only is there the roll, but there are two bars of fast baio drums right before the roll.

Here are the chords to the main verse of Curvaceous, in case anyone is curious. Ten bars. No dominant 7th chords.

G9 /// //// //// A7 ///
F7 E7 G13 Gb13 B7 ///
G11 /// //// B#5 /// ////
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right after reading that i listened to a few random tunes from a blues box set i got a while back. the box set is mostly blues from the 40s & 50s and includes Leroy Carr, Johnnie Shines, Dr. Ross, Wynonie Harris and a host of others.
Basically, i still hear common elements that makes them "the blues." BUT there was indeed less "structure" than commonly associated with more contemporary blues (by that i mean the 60s to present). so i can meet you half way.
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And if you go back further in time (to WC Handy and Fats Waller and Bessie Smith, you will find even LESS of the standardized 1950s Chicago 12-bar song.

Also consider the great players who were NOT blues people but who played creative blues songs OUTSIDE of the genre. Duke Ellington played blues-like songs. Johnny Mercer wrote blues-like songs. Bands in New Orleans and then up the river (with Louis Armstrong, for example) played blues marches, blues hymns and blues dance songs that had nothing to do with the 12-bar thing.

And in recent years, consider the ability of artists like Miles Davis and ZZ Top and Bob Dylan to create non-blues blues.
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well, i can't speak much here because i haven't heard that much of the really older songs, plus i've only heard the one i prev mentioned since the last year or so--when i got that box set. so i'm far from any authority when it comes to reaching waaaay back. so i guess that makes me part of the "factory mentality." but i least i'm open enough to know music "category" doesn't HAVE to stick to formulaic rules.
...and i do know what you mean by Dylan and Miles.
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Look at the BLUESIEST songs ever written. And you will NOT find yer recycled 12-bar Eric Clapton shit.

Muddy Waters - I'm a Man
Gershwin - Summertime
Howlin Wolf - Sitting on Top of the World, Ain't Superstitious
Billie Holiday - God Bless the Child, Strange Fruit, Blue Sunday
Mingus - Goodbye Porkpie Hat
Ann Ronnell - Willow Weep for Me
Davenport and Cooley - Fever
Mercer and Mancini - Moon River
Monk - Round Midnight, Well You Needn't
Miles - Nefertiti, All Blues, So What, Blues in Green
John Lee Hooker - Boogie Children
Leon Russell - This Masquerade

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