Razor Edit Discussion

[amagalma]

Is there somewhere some setting to NOT add edge points when razor editing envelopes?

[Daodan]

Originally Posted by amagalma

Is there somewhere some setting to NOT add edge points when razor editing envelopes?

+11111!!!

[amagalma]

Devs, could we have the option to add or not to add edge points when razor editing envelopes?

[n997]

Originally Posted by amagalma

Devs, could we have the option to add or not to add edge points when razor editing envelopes?

+1 to that.

Personally, I have use cases for both creating the edge points and not creating them.

So I suggest adding a sub-option in modifier menu, for example:

Razor edit area: left drag
"Move areas" > "[v] creating envelope edge points"

Razor edit envelope area: left drag
"Move or tilt envelope vertically" > "[v] creating envelope edge points"


...and so on.

[Daodan]

Originally Posted by amagalma

Devs, could we have the option to add or not to add edge points when razor editing envelopes?

Example from real project:

I have automated zoom, x offset and y offset in video processor. Then I want my "zoom out" longer so I need to move points from different envelopes all together.
Regular marquee selection not support multiple envelopes so when Razor comes I was so exited and thought that the problem was solved. But you can't just move multiple envelopes points at once even with razor, because off edge points.
The only way to do this is add extra item and "link items and envelopes". Not the most comfortable way, especially if you have to do it often.

[schwa]

What happens if not adding edge points and there are no existing envelope points within the razor edit area (not a situation that can arise in any other envelope editing context)?

[Mercado_Negro]

Originally Posted by schwa

What happens if not adding edge points and there are no existing envelope points within the razor edit area (not a situation that can arise in any other envelope editing context)?

I'd expect it to ramp up or down from the previous point (before the left edge of the razor edit area) and ramp up or down to the next point (after the right edge of the razor edit area).

[schwa]

Originally Posted by Mercado_Negro

I'd expect it to ramp up or down from the previous point (before the left edge of the razor edit area) and ramp up or down to the next point (after the right edge of the razor edit area).

In other words... add edge points?

[Mercado_Negro]

Originally Posted by schwa

In other words... add edge points?

No, I mean this:

https://u.pcloud.link/publink/show?c...02NoQCAydKsXIV

[schwa]

Sorry, I'm not quite following. Describe what you think should be the ending state, given this starting state?




[edit] sorry, now I see your animated screencap (it previews as just a static image on that file sharing site). I think post #801 above is about vertical razor envelope editing, not horizontal, so we're talking about different things.

[AZpercussion]

Originally Posted by schwa

I think post #801 above is about vertical razor envelope editing, not horizontal, so we're talking about different things.

Suggested option to not add envelope point on razor edge could be solution for both, vertical and horizontal editing.

[Mercado_Negro]

Originally Posted by schwa

Sorry, I'm not quite following. Describe what you think should be the ending state, given this starting state?




[edit] sorry, now I see your animated screencap (it previews as just a static image on that file sharing site). I think post #801 above is about vertical razor envelope editing, not horizontal, so we're talking about different things.

I think it's about horizontal, vertical and also trimming. The user just wants to move points within the area without adding edge points.

[buyrunvelocity]

Hi Reafriends,

Why razor edit doesn't work on item envelopes? Any one knows?
I read that is intended behavior. This one what I really miss from time selection.
I hope we got this functionality. It is great for many things.

[deeb]

Originally Posted by deeb

I feel the need of one thing! while using RE exclusively on envelopes, I would like to copy and move envelopes with RE but the fact that every Re edit splits the underneath AI is problem. Would be nice if somehow they could be independent at certain times.

So I thought it could handy if we had a RE Mode or option to treat RE editing on envelopes without splitting AIs.

I thought a mode something like: "RE edits on Envelopes ignore underneath AI's for the purpose of copy, delete, moving" (actions that envolve splitting the AI's).

What could be better solution for this?

Why i am asking discussion on this?

- if we have defined an AI, and if we want to use the useful RE on envelopes to copy/move/delete envelopes we will be destroying the beautiful AI container.

practical example of the issue:



How can we keep the AI intact?

bringing up this! would be very useful if we had a mode/option/modifier to keep AI start / end intact while RE Editing.

[UknownSource]

is there a script/ action to duplicate razor area?

[musicbynumbers]

Originally Posted by UknownSource

is there a script/ action to duplicate razor area?

There is one built in called "duplicate selected area of items".

Not the best name but it works with razor areas

[UknownSource]

Originally Posted by musicbynumbers

There is one built in called "duplicate selected area of items".

Not the best name but it works with razor areas

where?

[deeb]

Originally Posted by UknownSource

where?

press "?" and search on the action list i think.

[musicbynumbers]

Originally Posted by deeb

press "?" and search on the action list i think.

Yep and then you can assign it to a keyboard action, midi or OSC or to a toolbar button

[UknownSource]

it should be under Razor category!

thank you guys

[UknownSource]

where can I find all the razor scripts/actions?
I donno what to search

[deeb]

i don't think there is many, RE is mostly Modifier based. Some users made some interesting stuff which you can find here:
https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=241604

[mccrabney]

any suggestions for avoiding this issue:



my LFO shape fits the grid, but when i grab a grid-sized section of it with razor edit, a point is ignored. note how after copying the pan AI, the two tracks are panned to opposite sides even though they're at the same position of the AI

expected behavior would be for the lower track to have the same pan value as the top track at this position (99%L), since all relevant points have been copied, pasted, and are present/visible in the new AI

[tapemelancholy]

Any plans to add envelope move and tilt with razor to track lane envelope view?



Will be handy!

[amagalma]

Originally Posted by Daodan

Example from real project:

I have automated zoom, x offset and y offset in video processor. Then I want my "zoom out" longer so I need to move points from different envelopes all together.
Regular marquee selection not support multiple envelopes so when Razor comes I was so exited and thought that the problem was solved. But you can't just move multiple envelopes points at once even with razor, because off edge points.
The only way to do this is add extra item and "link items and envelopes". Not the most comfortable way, especially if you have to do it often.

This exactly was the problem I had and I posted for this FR. Please devs, could you give us this option? It is a common real life scenario that has no easy solution at the moment.

[AZpercussion]

Originally Posted by tapemelancholy

Any plans to add envelope move and tilt with razor to track lane envelope view?

Will be handy!

Exactly! And for master track envelopes too.

[Embass]

AI left edge point not moving



Points not moving



for mute env values should be 0 or 1

[Embass]

copy paste

[WyattRice]

Originally Posted by tapemelancholy

Any plans to add envelope move and tilt with razor to track lane envelope view?



Will be handy!

I have wished for this for a long time as well. It only works on volume tracks. I wish there was an option for just the regular tracks, as I don't really use volume tracks, because it's confusing sometimes.
Here's a mock up I did back in 2015. I wish it could work like this.

[MrDisco]

Slightly off topic with Razor edit, as I am new to this, but is there a way to just highlight the section without the 'luminous/animated area selection' ?

So more like Ableton or Protools that just 'shades' the area when selecting?

Is there a preference setting?

Thank you

[bolgwrad]

Originally Posted by MrDisco

Slightly off topic with Razor edit, as I am new to this, but is there a way to just highlight the section without the 'luminous/animated area selection' ?

So more like Ableton or Protools that just 'shades' the area when selecting?

Is there a preference setting?

Thank you

The 'theme development tweaker' (Ctrl+Alt+T here) allows you to edit the colours/alpha of razor edit elements.

[cool]

Bug: arrange view dont refresh when paste
Compare the copy / paste behavior of the item and the resor edit:


Item, correct behavior (focus remains on the play marker):






Razor, incorrect behavior (the pasted areas goes forward, beyond the border of the visible area of the screen. Until the zoom is changed - after that, the focus returns to the play marker):

[luiza177]

Originally Posted by amagalma

Devs, could we have the option to add or not to add edge points when razor editing envelopes?

Would love this as well +1

[Svein]

Hi good people!
I’m new to Reaper coming from Pro Tools since it was on floppy.
Been digging all the customizing Reaper has to offer.
Today I was cleaning up a live concert by removing junk to reduce bleed etc.
I use razor edit selection as default mouse modifier.
Would it be possible to make a script that delete area contents when releasing the mouse after you left drag to make a razor selection? With a modifier of course? I have to press either Cmd+X or backspace after selection to delete now (which is the PT way also) It would be amazing to use Razor editing to delete if this would be possible. Combined with auto fades it would be sick fast.

Thanks!
Svein

[schwa]

By default, shift+ctrl+alt+click on a razor edit area is mapped to "delete area contents." You could map this to the default razor edit area left click, or any other modifier key.

[Svein]

Originally Posted by schwa

By default, shift+ctrl+alt+click on a razor edit area is mapped to "delete area contents." You could map this to the default razor edit area left click, or any other modifier key.

Yeah thanks! I have tried that too. I just wished I could skip that step when I have a lot of editing. Just deleting with mouse up after selection. I have some power editing friends that would have loved it too.



Svein

[bolgwrad]

Originally Posted by Svein

Yeah thanks! I have tried that too. I just wished I could skip that step when I have a lot of editing. Just deleting with mouse up after selection. I have some power editing friends that would have loved it too.
Svein

Set up a toggle for when you need it. One shortcut (Alt+Win+D here) to

Set default mouse modifier action for "Razor edit area left click" to "Delete area contents"

and the other (Ctrl+Alt+D here) to set it back to

Set default mouse modifier action for "Razor edit area left click" to "No action" (factory default)

[edit] Oh right, you want it on mouse up - yes, that would be nice!

[Svein]

Originally Posted by bolgwrad

Set up a toggle for when you need it. One shortcut (Alt+Win+D here) to

Set default mouse modifier action for "Razor edit area left click" to "Delete area contents"

and the other (Ctrl+Alt+D here) to set it back to

Set default mouse modifier action for "Razor edit area left click" to "No action" (factory default)

[edit] Oh right, you want it on mouse up - yes, that would be nice!

Yes mouse up or more like a «razor swipe delete ignoring snap» action.

[AZpercussion]

Originally Posted by Svein

<...>
Would it be possible to make a script that delete area contents when releasing the mouse after you left drag to make a razor selection? With a modifier of course? ...

In addition I could say, there is an SWS action "Eraser tool". But it works only with time and items selection. Would love to see the same with razor area. And native, yes, for better stability on mac.

[Svein]

Originally Posted by AZpercussion

In addition I could say, there is an SWS action "Eraser tool". But it works only with time and items selection. Would love to see the same with razor area. And native, yes, for better stability on mac.

I just made a macro in Keyboard Maestro that does what I want.
Works perfectly. Saves me thousands of clicks on cleaning up this live concert.
See attached screenshot.
You have to assign the create razor edit area ignoring snap to the same modifiers that you choose in the Keyboard Maestro macro