Old 03-01-2015, 01:16 PM   #1
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Left Behind Blues by Wadosy

So I'm covering a song by a forum member... how cool isn't that? Mixing this, coop that... how about if members could put up songs they would like to hear with "other ears", as it were...?
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Old 03-01-2015, 03:42 PM   #2
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Wow, Jorgen that's a beautiful version. Terrific singing, the vibrato on some notes is sensational.
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Well, thanks. That song is really good. Naturally, I prepared some... still got it wrong in a few places... but the song takes care of itself.
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indeed a cool take. the magic's in the starkness.
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Old 03-03-2015, 02:21 AM   #5
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Sam, I think there are four takes, as it were... bits and pieces glued together in a second in Reaper... preparations is everything. Well that, and then Fix It In The Mix - the latter having a really bad rep... why is that? Fix it in the kitchen would be absurd... I digress.
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That is very cool, Jorgen. I like the idea of covering another poster's tune. I'm even getting a hint of pixeltarian style vocals here and there, I think .

It is quite a different take on Wadosy's original, which I just sought out. Both versions present the song in a way that is equally compelling to me, just from an alternate viewpoint.

Nice job (nice job to you too, flickervetigo)!
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kindafishy, not my idea to cover other members, just had to do this one. Thanks, a bit of my cold shines through rather nicely, if I may say so myself.
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https://www.dropbox.com/s/hzsew6kzpz...50315.mp3?dl=0

Now with bass, drums, keys and second guitar. Rather sketchy... just to hear what happens. A neighbor blues musician liked the song and may put harmonica on it... see when it happens. He's pretty good... if it turns out alright, he could replace the cheesy organ.

This is the original bpm, 111. The solo thing I did above has no click, and is noticeably slower. Key however is Bb (original is in C).

I'd love to hear some real horns on this one. Piano...
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well, I got to say this is a welcome relief from all the sensitive male naval-gazing


IDIT: oh my!

I must have meant vavel-gazing
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this is gonna veer way off topic, but...

I also got to say it makes sense to empower women if you need to defend a dying empire

women are more lkely to go off the deep end when it comes to defending the nest

meanwhile, amateur songwriters are writing long sad songs that seem to be pandering to the matriarchy... "woe is us poor downtrodden males, continually victimized by feckless females"

gets tiresome, fast

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Soulful. Nice recording.

I like this more than the new version.

edit: Listening again it strikes me that a low pitched wooden-floor foot tap on the backbeats would be good on this, and balance out the low end
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this is gonna veer way off topic, but...

I also got to say it makes sense to empower women if you need to defend a dying empire

women are more lkely to go off the deep end when it comes to defending the nest

meanwhile, amateur songwriters are writing long sad songs that seem to be pandering to the matriarchy... "woe is us poor downtrodden males, continually victimized by feckless females"

gets tiresome, fast

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nothing like inserting a bit of bigoted and hateful stuff in an otherwise positive thread..
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Old 03-15-2015, 11:31 AM   #13
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the last thing you need to do is think about the Abrahamic religions

seems like juda ism is pretty much female, "mama's boys unchained"

Christianity? ...a scam to siphon off the riff-raff? ..powered by ... what? ...humanity's gullibility? ...neutral in sex, pie in the sky for everyone

islam? ...a male backlash to Judaism's femaleness, Christianity's sexlessness?

does the "clsh of civilizations" boil down to a manifestation of the "war between the sexes"?

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are all of these religions too goofy to survive?

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Old 03-15-2015, 11:41 AM   #14
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Soulful. Nice recording.

I like this more than the new version.

edit: Listening again it strikes me that a low pitched wooden-floor foot tap on the backbeats would be good on this, and balance out the low end
Thanks Tim, interesting idea. Will think about it next time. You may be absolutely right. I'm limited to one mic... maybe if I tap stronger.
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Old 03-15-2015, 11:55 AM   #15
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does the "clsh of civilizations" boil down to a manifestation of the "war between the sexes"?...
Could be. "She's leaving home, bye, bye." It will take a few more generations, but I think it can't be avoided in the long run. The women are leaving the tribe, and the outcry from the men is shattering heaven and earth. They will lose this fight. The women will leave, and eventually, the men must follow. My theory.
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maybe we can learn from the Chinese... can we still learn? ...or is it too late?

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Old 03-15-2015, 12:40 PM   #17
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somebody's got to think about shit like this...

if the songwriters and poets don't do it, who will?

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Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: a waste of desert sand;
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Wind shadows of the indignant desert birds.

The darkness drops again but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
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Old 03-15-2015, 12:45 PM   #18
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The Chinese better take care of themselves... but what should they teach us? It's a superstitious people, haunted by demons. We probably should fear them.


How about you doing some backing vocals?
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Old 03-15-2015, 12:56 PM   #19
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the Chinese seem to have dispensed wit the pretense of democracy... the went instead for meritocracy

in the meantime, it's kinda weird that you accuse them of superstition when Christianity is about the same thing



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Great feel of a song Jörgen, You have some gems now, maybe time to put them together, making an album?
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It's on my list. I think it's about time. It's just this one man-producer hassle... so many different things to focus on...
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Old 03-15-2015, 01:29 PM   #22
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this is gonna get pretty strange, Jorgen

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I'm beginning to think that you don't need to record music to please whatever it is that needs pleasing

you don't need an audience

you don't need anything except to make the music

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so then the question becomes: what are we pleasing by making music that is apparently unheard by anyone?

beats the living dogpoop right out of me



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in the meantime, it's kinda weird that you accuse them of superstition when Christianity is about the same thing
I was stating a fact, not accusing anybody. I already fear the Christians.
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Old 03-15-2015, 01:43 PM   #24
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I don't think you should fear Christians... they're pretty much tootless, apathetic, preoccupied, useless

the Christians became more and more useless as the realization dawned that chr chrisitanity is basically hostile to Jewishness

the dethawish chrisitans got a certain amont of traction after 9/11, but I ont think most Christians buy into the deathwish Christian beliefs

chrisianity is done for, the popoe called the Iraq war a "defeat for humity", then lost billions of dollars in the child abuse scandal... so one big center of potential Christian resistane has been eliminated

it's all working out according to pan, and the only thing you have to fear is thousands of years of tradition, philosophy, and expectations... the system

you should fear the system
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weird stuff happens though

I don't think anybody knows waht's gonna happen wen the oil starts running seriously out

the priority, I think, if you're in a postion of power and privilege, is maintaining that position

if you got a tradition of being scapegoated, if persecution is your bag... well, then you're likely to be scapegoated and persecuted

it's all a matter of faith, sint it?
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anyhow, that seems to be the way it works...

if you had a decent education, you probably didn't have to figure it all out ofr yourself... or maybe it's such a weird subject that yu learn it by osmosis... I don't know

but it's tiresone... the same old pattern, time after time, and nobody seems to be willing to admit that it's just the system... that's jus thow it works, that's just how it is

tiresome

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what we need now is some whining

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I can't really decide, which version I liked better.
I'd probably say the produced version, but they're very close
Good job overall
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Thanks Burak... no horns around? Just a few blows here and there? Piano? Accordion? Banjo? Fiddle? Just a few touches?

edit: I was thinking "Rainy Day Woman"... not that far out, but a little something... hmm?

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I modified a gtr solo I did for FVs orig version. He didn't think it worked but I'll DL your version and see what I can do, I got a sneaking feeling I can make it work ok.
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Cool - and I can make something more of the drums, a fill or variation here and there... that second git is pretty sloppy, but the melodic material is okay, imo, and could be augmented, work more steadily as a counter-point to the melody... perhaps.
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https://www.dropbox.com/s/02stplntpw...0315b.mp3?dl=0

I did some more work on the keys to mirror the sloppy second git... but I like it so far. And I put an Armageddon effect on the ending - experimenting... I suppose I could redo the second guitar without much fuzz, lock it better with the keys and such. Put some steadier swing to it.
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so then the question becomes: what are we pleasing by making music that is apparently unheard by anyone?
See how far we can pull it off? And the big maybe...? Anyway, what are you supposed to do with your life?
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what are you supposed to do with your life?
the only thing that makes sense to me is: try to do as little damage as possible, try to cause as little pain as possible while defending yourself...

I told Sammy the other day that I wanted to write songs that grab people by the throat and shake them until they're somebody else...

after thinking bout it, that seems to be a foolish ambition... you can change people, all right, but you might change them in unexpected ways...

for instance, you're tending bar and playing in an isolated resort in the mountains, and a motorcycle gang wants to take you back to camp with them

didn't sound like that would've panned out to be a real good time... not for me, at least

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I told Sammy the other day that I wanted to write songs that grab people by the throat and shake them until they're somebody else...

after thinking bout it, that seems to be a foolish ambition...
Foolish or not, that's a hard aspiration to beat. Just think if record companies thought that way...
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....if record companies thought that way...
according to len chandler at the LA sognwriters' showcase, "it depends on the political mood of the country"... that was in the late 70s, and it puzzled me... I'd never thought of the music business as an arm of the imperial propaganda machinery

but it's a chicken/egg question, isn't it?

is the music business reacting to the political mood, or are they trying to create a political mood?

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No, they take advantage of zeitgeist to create $$$.

Hey, its a business. (shrug)
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...its a business. (shrug)
so is American television... are you gonna tell me they don't have an agenda?

and what about these people who intend to use "fulls pectrum dominance" to achieve "benevolent global hegemony"?

don't you spose weapons like television and music are included in the spectrum to be dominated?

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sorry Sammy, but I aint buyin' the "it's just a business" argument

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I just think that, no matter whatever factors may be involved, it all ultimately boils down to $$$. Dolla rules!

What do you feel is the true root? Zombiefication?
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the money's important...

but it's like that restaurant that only had two things on the menu... fried cow flops and boiled horse buiscuits...

if that's the only food in town, I guess you'll pay the price and eat it

chandler would not have warned me if there wasn't politics involved in the music business... he just didn't take it far enough...

but at that time, the music business was heavily involved in alienating boomer kids fro their parents...

Crosby, stills and nash, "for what it's worth"...

and...

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there's just one other thing here...

lots of people seem to think the beatles had a lot to do with the disintegration of the USSR... so they respect and fear the power of music...

so we have to assume that music, along with television, is one of the things included in the "full spectrum dominance"

and when you look at maccartney and "four five seconds", you got to wonder.. here's a guy that's supposedly partly responsible for wrecking the USSR, and now he's apparently trying to soothe racial tensions in the US

well, you got ot admit that if money's so important, you got to hold the country together to prolong your opportunities to loot, don't you?

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