Old 01-22-2014, 09:53 AM   #1
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Default Bitwig Coming March 26th

http://www.bitwig.com/en/bitwig-studio

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Old 01-22-2014, 10:01 AM   #2
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Hope it's all they say it will be. Although, I'm quite happy with Reaper.

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Reaper does what I need it to do for $60 as opposed to $300( I was wrong, $400) for an untested version of a new DAW ... no thanks.

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I'm certainly excited to see it. FINALLY. Wow, with all of the anticipation and beta testing, it has a lot to live up to.
I am very interested in seeing its:
-clip view/play feature
-automation items
-open and routable architecture
-stability

My questions are:
-price point
-video support
-potential copyright issues with Ableton. Hopefully none.
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I'm certainly excited to see it. FINALLY. Wow, with all of the anticipation and beta testing, it has a lot to live up to.
Good point. It's been in testing for ages. Hopefully it should be good to go right out of the gate.
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According to http://www.bitwig.com/en/news/Bitwig...t-Details.html, it'll be $400.
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Bitwig could have changed the game, but not at this price, I am afraid...too bad.
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Box: USD 399.99 MAP, 329 EUR including VAT
Download: USD 399 / 299 EUR

Is there a difference between the boxed and the download version?

That's a big price difference...
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$399 is steep , but it does come with 3gb of samples , it also has a bunch of included synths , effects , devices , and samplers etc etc , Live you have to pay for the full blown sampler or buy suite . I really was only interested due to the Linux version but here lately Im all Windows7 Reaper and Tracktion so I kind have lost interest . I was thinking of a $199 for Bitwig , so I have lost some interest . Im am quite surprised over the price too
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Wow, pretty expensive.
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7X the cost of Reaper? I'll pass. I'm pretty sure it's not any better than Reaper and it sure and the heck isn't 7X better.
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I think shit will get real if they implement "Multi-user music production over the internet" really well. I like OHM studio as a concept but can't really get a good workflow going with it.
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Still a big question mark wrapped round a *Yawwwnnnn - oh, FINALLY????* from me.

I am tempted to join their forum and start bug spotting out of curiosity.

Does anyone seriously think their 2 year beta testing will have actually found most of the bugs?
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At the very leat we'll be able to get some cool ideas out of this DAW.

The implementation of automation clips might be an inspiration to our esteemed Reaper developers. No harm in taking a good idea and integrating it in to Reaper if it fits, which I hope lots of stuff from Bitwig will.

The price slightly undercuts Ableton Live, which costs 349 Euros as a download version.

From the details page:

BITWIG STUDIO comes with over 50 included devices.

Conventional Instruments (Polysynth, FM-4, Organ, Sampler and analog-style Drum Modules) and FX (Delays, Equalizers, Compressors), as well as Container devices (to build parallel instrument or effect chains), Note FX, and Modulator devices (additional controllers like LFOs, envelope followers and step sequencers for modulating any other device).

Extend this collection with your favorite VST effects and instruments, and use them side by side with BITWIG STUDIO internal devices.


Could be well worth the money for plenty of folks, especially first-time users heavily in to composing. I hope they do well. We could use another set of fresh ideas making it big so others might copy and build upon the good features it brings to the table.
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Could be well worth the money for plenty of folks, especially first-time users heavily in to composing. I hope they do well.
Everything is and everything isn't, it depends on who's looking and buying.

I have no personal interest in using it but if I did, I'd fork ofer the four bills.
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Ahhh. Thanks for the link. Yeah, 400 beans with included instruments and samples sounds like the all-inclusive bundle ala Cubase, Logic, DP, Studio 1. But that model is a bit dated. And with no apparent video support. . .

It does look nice though. And their promo materials do a good job of making it enticing. And, as has already been said, the features will be ripe for the copying/mimicking.
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BITWIG STUDIO comes with over 50 included devices.

Conventional Instruments (Polysynth, FM-4, Organ, Sampler and analog-style Drum Modules) and FX (Delays, Equalizers, Compressors), as well as Container devices (to build parallel instrument or effect chains), Note FX, and Modulator devices (additional controllers like LFOs, envelope followers and step sequencers for modulating any other device).

Extend this collection with your favorite VST effects and instruments, and use them side by side with BITWIG STUDIO internal devices.


Could be well worth the money for plenty of folks, especially first-time users heavily in to composing. I hope they do well. We could use another set of fresh ideas making it big so others might copy and build upon the good features it brings to the table.
Those details sounds almost exactly like Ableton Live. I have no need for it (I own Live) but it could be a suitable "replacement" or contender to Live.
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Those details sounds almost exactly like Ableton Live. I have no need for it (I own Live) but it could be a suitable "replacement" or contender to Live.
This. I don't understand the comparison to REAPER or most other DAWs. Totally different paradigm.
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I have no idea if I will buy it or not. However, I am ready to demo the thing. I too have Live, and it's a mess of good ideas that are poorly implemented or unfinished. I'm hoping that this incarnation will provide a more polished environment by the second or third version.

And one difference, per the company's own propaganda, is that BWS is not just aimed at live performances. It's also aimed at studio work.

I'd bet that the vast majority of Live users don't perform "live" at all. They use it as a tool in the studio for composition and scratching out ideas. If BWS gives this crowd a little attention they may stand a good chance of making a dent in Live's user base.
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At the very leat we'll be able to get some cool ideas out of this DAW.
Yes, that is my primary hope as well.

After being continually frustrated over the years waiting for basic Live-like functionality that it seems every other DAW has at this point, I try not to think about it any more. If there is nothing in Reaper 5 either, an Ableton competitor like Bitwig could look a lot more enticing, at least for performance, or as a fast way to jam out ideas.
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Acoording to their numerous claims and release dates this should be version 6 by now.
Interested to see how disappointed I will be though.

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So now we all wait to see how crippled the demo will be....

Fortunately I have a life, so I will not be wearing the edge of my seat out between now and 26/3
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Yes, that is my primary hope as well.

After being continually frustrated over the years waiting for basic Live-like functionality that it seems every other DAW has at this point, I try not to think about it any more. If there is nothing in Reaper 5 either, an Ableton competitor like Bitwig could look a lot more enticing, at least for performance, or as a fast way to jam out ideas.
Have you tried the SWS region playlist with regions set to infinite loop and the action region x set to play ( with smooth seek ) mapped to various MIDI ? Works pretty nice.

Combine it with jnif baby seq and it does all that.
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Acoording to their numerous claims and release dates this should be version 6 by now.
Interested to see how disappointed I will be though.

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So now we all wait to see how crippled the demo will be....

Fortunately I have a life, so I will not be wearing the edge of my seat out between now and 26/3
A lesson in cynicism for all the young uns around here.
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Jeez, for as long as they've been hyping this thing you think they would at least have a killer introductory price. It's way too overpriced in my book. You can get FL Studio (which is very similar, stable, and does most of what bitwig claims) for much cheaper with free lifetime updates! Me, i'll stick with Reaper and Reason. They do everything i need and more.
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Box: USD 399.99 MAP, 329 EUR including VAT
Download: USD 399 / 299 EUR

Is there a difference between the boxed and the download version?

That's a big price difference...
You get a box.
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Well, I hope it's made out of gold then.
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Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Oh really :-)
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Bitwig is an interesting but I'm not sure that I will let down Reaper cuz I tested numerous DAWs and, for the last ones Studio One, wich I can thank because it helped me to go over my fear to get deeper in the "customisation way" in Reaper and I don't regret it : I improved my workflow so that I let down S1 !!!! YES!!!!
I keep Ableton because I do some electronic tracks and Ableton is very good for that, the workflow is pretty fast but it has no miwer such Reaper's, the rooting is not open as Reaper's one, the snapshots in Reaper are killers men!! I use them in every arrangement I do!!! And I can't do a track without it it's a fabulous tool even S1 is not so usefull I can tell U I know S1 very well!
My wish is that Reaper developper team implements a good tool for the splitting channel stuff. I red that a kind of matrix (like the routing matrix..) is in the tube!! So I wait for this..
Ableton do this : U can do parallel processing by chains. In reaper I do the same setting up "parallele tracks" but U U have to nest folder tracks to get it right or obvious so....
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My wish is that Reaper developper team implements a good tool for the splitting channel stuff. I red that a kind of matrix (like the routing matrix..) is in the tube!! So I wait for this..
Ableton do this : U can do parallel processing by chains. In reaper I do the same setting up "parallele tracks" but U U have to nest folder tracks to get it right or obvious so....
I posted a thread about trying to do the "chain" parallel processing from ableton in reaper.

http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=133166

This might give you some insights if you want to emulate that workflow! (Still more complicated than ableton, but yeah.)
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A lesson in cynicism for all the young uns around here.
Us old 'uns are like the military, Suli - been there done that seen it all before.

There is a predictable cycle that ALL repeat ALL new products go through despite the most rigorous of alpha and beta testing.

SL Duende for instance had a HUGE samplebase of Alpha and Beta testers (I was one of them, along with thousands of others) but still had plenty of post-release issues initially, most* of which went away with time.




*can you say "CmStick?
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I'm really excited about this.

I love surge and short circuit so I have a lot of faith in Claes' work. Surge is a really good sounding(still!) and solid feeling vsti. Its super thoughtful and deep.

I love the idea of ableton but can't get on with the GUI and the blockiness of it. For some reason bitwig really appeals to me. I do a lot of audio manipulation in reaper (don't we all). If I could make clips of audio that can be manipulated as flexibly and quickly as I could in reaper but still have a clip functionality that's fun...that would probably be my perfect daw.

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There is a predictable cycle that ALL repeat ALL new products go through despite the most rigorous of alpha and beta testing.
Agree. I doubt if it will be bug free on 3/26/14 or on 3/26/18. What host is? Anyone interested should do what most people do, try a demo first and see if it's usable for them.

As to bugs with plugs, given the thousands of third party plugs there's no way anyone could ever test all of them for compatibility before a release, even with a public beta.
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I posted a thread about trying to do the "chain" parallel processing from ableton in reaper.

http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=133166

This might give you some insights if you want to emulate that workflow! (Still more complicated than ableton, but yeah.)
Oops! gonna take a look, thx Kamil, interesting!!

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At the end of the day if you wish to progress from the same boring concepts where software emulates hardware, and instruments that bored us to death in the 90s are still being used to sell a product, you simply build it yourself.

New DAWs are for people who love the pressure of finding and fixing things, or complicating their lives.
I don't own a single piece of software that functions 100% as advertised, and probably never will.

No sense adding more time wasting to a process where musicality is suppose to be the primary goal.

But I really do hope they come up with some new concepts. Otherwise, I'll just save up for more hardware, that always seems to work, or it doesn't get purchased.
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I think Bitwig Studio will be extremely popular out of the gate.

There will obviously be (on every daw forum) people saying "Meh, I'm happy with S1 or Sonar or Cubase or FLStudio, I'm not switching...", even though nobody ever asked them to. That always happens.

But from what I can see so far, there will be a lot of people loving it.
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The only thing I'm excited about is the Linux version. Maybe FINALLY there will be a reason for plugin developers to port their stuff to Linux.
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