Old 08-31-2020, 08:09 AM   #1
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Hi,

I've got a new song called "Easing Up".
you can hear it here:
https://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=14103520

It features:
- plenty of guitar parts
- MODO Bass
- Superior Drums & Percussion
- various little synth parts
(and a Mellotron)
- the usual suspects

Please feel free to let me know what you think ;-)
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Old 08-31-2020, 12:19 PM   #2
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nice song,nice guitars !!!
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Old 08-31-2020, 12:53 PM   #3
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Hi martmix - thanks a lot for listening! And for your comments.
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Old 08-31-2020, 02:03 PM   #4
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Nice, easy going melody, with some surprising diversions along the way. Enjoyed.
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Old 09-01-2020, 01:13 AM   #5
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Hi Stinger,


That's a nice brief synopsis!
Thanks a lot for listening and for your comments
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Old 09-01-2020, 07:25 AM   #6
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There parts of this that I like a lot, but the out-of-tune guitars that pop up occassionally are a distraction to me. I have to admit that I am probably a little over-sensitive to pitch issues, but it is something that I can't turn off.

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Old 09-01-2020, 09:23 AM   #7
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Hi tspring,


Thanks a lot for listening and for your comments.
Which guitar parts are you referring to? (ie at what time in the song?)
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Old 09-01-2020, 04:41 PM   #8
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Warning: I'm going to be super picky here. And my nit-picking may not be relevant to the average listener, so I am not sure that what I say ought to carry much weight. Also, on re-listening a lot of what I was hearing had to do with bends. But you asked, so here ya go:

The guitar that plays the opening riff seems to have a string that is very slightly out of tune. Maybe the G string, dunno, hard to say, just enough to barely be heard.

Guitar that comes in at 0:22 is slightly out of tune with the opening guitar, again, just enough to be heard.

Lead guitar at 0:45 t0 0:59 feels quite out of tune to me. Here, I think that the issue is emphasized because bends are not resolving back to standard pitch completely.

1:30 the guitar that reprises the part played at 0:22 is still slightly out of tune.

2:11 to 2:26 Upward bends are not making it to pitch, and are sustained, making the lead feel very out of tune.

3:28 downward bend does not come back to standard pitch

3:44 ringing low note of lead guitar is out of tune


There is lots of good in what you are doing - I don't want to detract from that.
Indeed, my comments are probably worth about what you paid for them.

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Old 09-02-2020, 01:32 AM   #9
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Hi T,


Thanks for taking the time to go back and make notes. I do appreciate it. I'm going to go back and listen - and think about what to do.


I could run some parts through Melodyne - but I'm not sure if I will.
With that many discrepancies - it's probably safe to say that this isn't the only song like this - so I might just have to try to be more aware of this in future, and leave existing stuff as it is.


Otherwise, I guess "that's just the way it is"
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Old 09-02-2020, 01:12 PM   #10
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T,

I've put up a new version after playing with Melodyne a little bit.
If you can be bothered - can you give it a quick perusal and see if you think it's an improvement?


https://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=14103520
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Old 09-02-2020, 05:04 PM   #11
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Yep. It is ear candy now. Well done. As I said before, there is a lot to like here. Listening to the section 2:45 to 3:00...really cool stuff happening there. Guitar-centric folks will love this.

By the way, I am a big fan of Melodyne. Anything that can help us get the music that is in our heads out into the world in a form that peopple can enjoy is a good thing. Nobody thinks twice about cutting and pasting best parts of takes or correcting timing errors. I can't see why that is any different from sweetening a few notes using melodyne.

I do appreciate you taking my comments seriously, even though you have no reason to think that I know squat ... but I suppose that this is the way the forum is supposed to work.

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Old 09-03-2020, 01:32 AM   #12
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Well, since you mentioned the tuning issues, I mentioned it to another (virtual) friend who is a piano tuner - who also told me to check the tuning esp on the "Lead guitar at 0:45 t0 0:59" part.


When I looked in Melodyne, it was also showing some of these parts were out of tune.


So, I took your comments seriously.

Melodyne is a good tool for this, and I just tweaked asome things to make them "better" but not "perfect". No one is going to play (or sing, for that matter) every single note 100% on perfect pitch centres
That would be like every drum beat being 100% quantised.


My real worry is that I didn't hear these problems in the first place. I can certainly hear it sitting better when it's "fixed" but I didn't hear enough of a problem to make me want to fix it.
Especially the "2:11 to 2:26 Upward bends are not making it to pitch" - I actually prefer these a little flat. Maybe it's the added tension, or maybe most rock players don't bend right up perfectly - I don't know.


So, I'll need to pay a lot more attention to tuning in the future, and God knows how many "issues" there are in my other stuff


Anyway - thanks for taking the time to listen and make notes - it's been helpful!

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but I suppose that this is the way the forum is supposed to work.
Exactly! It's useless if everybody just listens and tells each other how wonderful their stuff is.
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Old 09-03-2020, 05:53 AM   #13
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I think that our perception of music works like a mathematical function that has a plot showing a cusp. Imperfections in pitch and timing can be manipulated to add interest and tension up to a point. But push this too far, and a listeners perception suddenly shifts negatively. The point where the cusp is reached probably varies greatly from person to person. I can still hear places in your new version where pitch and bends are not perfect, but now they are below the cusp where they change from adding character to being distractions, at least to my perception. I am sure that we would both agree that seeking perfection in timing and pitch in music is a fool's errand, and is the antithesis of rock music. The magic is partly in imperfections both planned and accidental. Just not too much of it.

And now I have probably exceeded all reasonable bounds for pontification, so I will stop.

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Old 09-03-2020, 06:33 AM   #14
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I thought these forums were made for pontification!


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but now they are below the cusp where they change from adding character to being distractions
That's a good way to look at it...
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Nice! Like the rhythmic interplay and evolution
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hi adotm,


Thanks a lot for having a listen - and for your comments!
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Old 09-20-2020, 12:24 PM   #17
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John Whenever I listen to a new number of yours I enjoy the production values so much that I want to add a melody (vocal )line to it. You manage to achieve a dissonance in places that makes it very hard to do for a more conservative musician like me. Not a criticism, just an observation. So far I've succeeded once! You have a knack of not going to the obvious next chord in your structures. Vive la difference! and keep on keeping on. Cheers Barry
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Old 09-20-2020, 01:21 PM   #18
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Hi Barry - how are you doing?


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You have a knack of not going to the obvious next chord in your structures
That is the best thing you (or anyone) could say to me!
Thanks!


Thanks for having a listen anyway!
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De Nada! Doing Fine thanks John. I've been in virtual lockdown since March but have been able to see the granddaughters in the hols, not so easy now they're at school though. Just keeping our heads down hoping the madness that's gripped the country will pass. Bloody hell more people have died this year from flu than Covid. I think all our politicians are completely insane. Keep healthy. BK
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