Weird Issue with Kontakt

filibuster · 03-07-2012, 11:47 PM

(I'm sorry if I'm in the wrong forum)

I've been having a really weird issue with my VSTs for a while now, and I'm finally frustrated enough to try and fix it. Here's the problem:

Let's say I have Kontakt 4 loaded up (the problem seems to occur no matter what VST is loaded) and I'm playing the instruments through a midi keyboard. Everything is working perfectly fine, until the sound from Kontakt just randomly stops working. I can no longer hear the instruments. I can see the input from my keyboard coming in, but there's simply no sound. It's completely random, and the only way I can get the sound back is by reloading the whole instrument.

Any help would be much appreciated!

richie43 · 03-08-2012, 12:01 AM

What is your interface/sound-card? Have you checked for newer drivers for it? Do you have any other application open while working with reaper? Is this a laptop? Do you use wireless internet while working with Reaper?

filibuster · 03-08-2012, 12:05 AM

M-Audio Fast Track II. I have the latest drivers. No other applications open. Desktop. And no wireless internet. Also, now that I'm paying more attention, the sound seems to stop working after I stop the project. Like if I write a little of music, play it back, and then stop it, that's when the sound stops coming from the VST.

richie43 · 03-08-2012, 12:11 AM

Check your preferences. See the attachments.

filibuster · 03-08-2012, 12:16 AM

Ok, my settings were the same as the pictures, except for the "Flush FX on stop." I checked it, but I'm still having the problem.

richie43 · 03-08-2012, 08:01 AM

Can you post the rpp file, the Reaper file you click to open a project? I don't need any media or audio, but I'd like to open the project file to see more details on how things are set up.

filibuster · 03-08-2012, 12:13 PM

How should I do that? It's too big to upload as an attachment here.

richie43 · 03-08-2012, 02:45 PM

Not the whole project, just the rpp file. If you zipp it and it's still too big, use something like Dropbox and upload the link. But this is a great way for [people to help you troubleshoot.

filibuster · 03-08-2012, 05:04 PM

Ok, here you go. And thanks a lot for your help with this.

pattonfreak1 · 03-08-2012, 08:53 PM

Make sure that your track isn't muted. Reaper will automatically mute a track if the input volume exceeds something like +18dbs. This has happened to me a few times when I have a really low oscillating frequency. It'll peak out and the track will auto-mute. Never figure out what's wrong until I pull up the mixer.

filibuster · 03-08-2012, 09:15 PM

Thanks for the suggestion. Unfortunately, that's not it.

richie43 · 03-08-2012, 09:30 PM

Does this happen with any VSTi's or just Kontact? I had to quit using Kontact because of a wide range of issues.

filibuster · 03-08-2012, 10:19 PM

lol You know what, I thought it was with everything, but I just tested it with Play and didn't have any problems at all... So it's just a problem with Kontakt then?

richie43 · 03-08-2012, 10:48 PM

Try a third vsti if you have one. I would bet that this is a Kontact issue, but I AM a bit biased and jaded about Kontact. But let's find out.

filibuster · 03-08-2012, 11:04 PM

Yep, just tried it with Dimension Pro. Everything was fine until I played the piece and then stopped it. Kontakt no longer worked, but Dimension did. This sucks :/

Thanks a lot for your help and time richie, I really appreciate it.

richie43 · 03-08-2012, 11:12 PM

Sorry I was right, actually. I never really liked Kontact, I have other vsti's that I just like better. But alot of people love it, so maybe you should post a new thread specifying that you think that you are having a Kontact/Reaper problem and some other Kontact enthusiasts will chime in. I would assume that Kontact has some kind of preference, like Reaper does, that pertains to how it sustains or decays on stopping. Often there is this option to save CPU cycles. Look in the Kontact settings, maybe you'll find something.

Satyajit · 03-09-2012, 07:11 AM

I use Kontakt 4 & 5 but I have never had issues with reaper and kontakt. I had issues with cakewalk dimension pro. I have core 2duo 2.2ghz, 4gb ram and win 7 32 bit with delta 1010lt & edirol eax 25. Kontakt works flawless here with reaper, infact its most dependable thing on my setup.

Tod · 03-09-2012, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by filibuster

Yep, just tried it with Dimension Pro. Everything was fine until I played the piece and then stopped it. Kontakt no longer worked, but Dimension did. This sucks :/

Thanks a lot for your help and time richie, I really appreciate it.

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Originally Posted by Satyajit

I use Kontakt 4 & 5 but I have never had issues with reaper and kontakt. I had issues with cakewalk dimension pro. I have core 2duo 2.2ghz, 4gb ram and win 7 32 bit with delta 1010lt & edirol eax 25. Kontakt works flawless here with reaper, infact its most dependable thing on my setup.

Hi filibuster, Like Satyajit I've been using Kontakt for years on my old XP 3.3gighz, 2gig computer without any problems. It also works great on the newer i5 WIn7. I've got both K2 & K4.

What computer are you running? What instrument(s) do you have in Kontakt when this happens?

Jorgen · 03-09-2012, 03:59 PM

And this is not the free Kontakt player? That only runs for 30 minutes in demo mode?

richie43 · 03-09-2012, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Jorgen

And this is not the free Kontakt player? That only runs for 30 minutes in demo mode?

While I don't prefer Kontact, I wanted to add that for the record, the free version does not only run for 30 minute intervals as long as you are using the sample set that comes with it. Any 3rd party Kontact compatible sample set will run in demo mode.

Jorgen · 03-09-2012, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by richie43

While I don't prefer Kontact, I wanted to add that for the record, the free version does not only run for 30 minute intervals as long as you are using the sample set that comes with it. Any 3rd party Kontact compatible sample set will run in demo mode.

I just checked with Kontakt 4 player free. It loads everything included in demo mode.

I downloaded the free Reaktor player last week, and it just stops after what I assume is 30 minutes, and you have to close and open it again.

Seriously, you can't work with these things. It's too annoying.

richie43 · 03-09-2012, 06:15 PM

Weird. Maybe why I don't use it, or maybe I never gave it more than 30 minutes....

EvilDragon · 03-10-2012, 02:37 AM

Let's clear up some misunderstandings. 3rd party libraries that are NOT licenced to be used with Kontakt Player, will run in demo mode. All other Kontakt Player licenced libraries will run without limitations in Kontakt Player.

Kontakt is a perfectly usable sampler, and from my experience works well with Reaper.

lucky_bleeder · 03-10-2012, 03:06 AM

Check that you havnt got your mod wheel controlling the volume in Kontakt.
|Some patches are rigged up that way for extra expression.

Tod · 03-10-2012, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by lucky_bleeder

Check that you havnt got your mod wheel controlling the volume in Kontakt.
|Some patches are rigged up that way for extra expression.

And/or, on many of the instruments that use CC11 expression (or CC1) you have to provide some CC11/CC1 values before they will respond or be heard.

Jorgen · 03-10-2012, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by EvilDragon

Let's clear up some misunderstandings. 3rd party libraries that are NOT licenced to be used with Kontakt Player, will run in demo mode. All other Kontakt Player licenced libraries will run without limitations in Kontakt Player.

Kontakt is a perfectly usable sampler, and from my experience works well with Reaper.

Yes, I don't doubt Kontakt's usability in its full version. But I don't have any third party libraries at all, only what was included in the free download. And all patches load in demo mode.

Maybe NI changed something from version 4 to 5?

EvilDragon · 03-10-2012, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Jorgen

Maybe NI changed something from version 4 to 5?

Nope, nothing changed. Kontakt Factory Selection should not load in demo mode in Kontakt Player. I would suggest checking the version of the player, if it's not K5.0.2, then redownload the installer and reinstall. Otherwise, contact (sic) NI for support.

Jorgen · 03-10-2012, 02:11 PM

Mine is 4.0.5.3186. Library version 1.0. Well, will download the newer version.

Reaktor free player most definitely has a 30 minutes limit on the included synths. It seemed logical that NI had the same limitation on the Kontakt free player.

But I will check it out.

EvilDragon · 03-11-2012, 12:58 AM

Latest K4 version is K4.2.4. So you're trodding behind quite a bit there. Unfortunately, you cannot download K4 from NI anymore...

Kontakt has a 15 minute time limit.

Jorgen · 03-11-2012, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by EvilDragon

Kontakt has a 15 minute time limit.

So this may be the answer to the op's question. I don't want to knock NI, have had good use of the free Kore player. But seriously, who can work with software that cr*ps out after 15 minutes?

EvilDragon · 03-12-2012, 12:29 AM

Understand that there's a reason NI licences libraries to be used with Kontakt Player. It is revenue for them. All KP licenced libraries will NOT time out. But, not all developers can afford themselves to licence. For those libraries it is clearly stated that you can load them in Kontakt Player, but in demo mode, and for regular usage a full version of Kontakt is recommended.

Besides, IMHO, Kontakt is a staple of modern audio production. Anybody half-serious about their work should have a full version of it.

Jorgen · 03-12-2012, 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by EvilDragon

Anybody half-serious about their work should have a full version of it.

I don't even know how to respond to this. But hopefully it clears things up for the op.

EvilDragon · 03-12-2012, 03:45 AM

That's just my humble opinion - you don't have to agree with it.

Jorgen · 03-18-2012, 03:00 PM

I was mistaken. Really sorry about that.

I browsed to the wrong folder in Kontakt. It's also called something like Factory Content, but has only demo instruments... Which naturally loads in demo mode.

But now I have found the proper folder, and no demo mode on those instruments. And no time limit.

My only excuse is I installed this back in 2009 and hardly ever used it. My mistake.