v4.0alpha45 - February 23 2011

mikeroephonics · 02-23-2011, 08:03 PM

v4.0alpha45 - February 23 2011

+ Edit cursor: fixed extending time selection after moving cursor via tab-to-transient (or other action)
+ Envelopes: fixed duplicate points created when moving envelope segment within time selection
+ Video: increased decode thread priority
+ Video: DirectShow WMV fix
+ MIDI editor: fixed resetting zoom when reopening MIDI items in the editor
+ MIDI editor: fixed filter dialog not showing hidden media items in some situations
+ MIDI editor: refresh toolbar when changing media item source
+ Project bay: fixed opening FX from usage menu
+ Project bay: fixed column sorting
+ Themes: envcp minimum size support, reenabled tcp_fxparm_bg image, fixed vertical vol fader in tcp
+ Themes: added tcp/mcp_[master_]vol/pan/wid_label image support
+ Themes: tcp/mcp_[master_]voltext_flags rtconfig.txt support, bitmask:
1=no dB label, 2=no sub-dB precision, 4=no +, 8=always show 2 digits of precision
+ Themes: removed limit on number of theme subfolders allowed
+ Themes: WALTER: added tcp_fxparms to get fx parameter count in tcp context
+ Themes: separately configurable colors for misc windows vs main window
+ Transport status: better font sizing with certain dimensions

Tycho · 02-23-2011, 08:06 PM

Nice work on the envelope issue. thanks.

musicbynumbers · 02-23-2011, 08:24 PM

Thanks a million devs!

Some great things here like independent colours for windows and can't wait to try it!

Tcp fx count thing. Does that mean we don't have to show all the empty knobs anymore?

dub3000 · 02-23-2011, 08:35 PM

these WALTER updates make me extremely interested into what the theme team are currently cooking up...

Xenakios · 02-23-2011, 08:37 PM

Some example about the "misc windows" colors in Walter would have been nice...Now I don't really even know what this change might mean? Does it mean the ability to customize the colors of the Project Bay etc list views?

AdamWathan · 02-23-2011, 08:39 PM

Theme updates sound exciting!

Alt+click to delete item fades is still broken though, really there should be a context in the mouse modifiers for "Media item fade/crossfade - Click" so we can get the V3 behavior back

Toolbar buttons for window visibility (mixer visible, track manager visible, project bay visible, etc) still not displaying their state properly on OSX either.

AdamWathan · 02-23-2011, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Xenakios

Some example about the "misc windows" colors in Walter would have been nice...Now I don't really even know what this change might mean? Does it mean the ability to customize the colors of the Project Bay etc list views?

Yep!

Found a bug with it already though... There's a small square in the bottom right corner of the screen between the scrollbar controls that inherits the "Window background" color when it should be getting the "Main window/transport background" color.

This pic displays it nicely

Xenakios · 02-23-2011, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by AdamWathan

Yep!

Unfortunately, I am not seeing an option to change the actual list view colors...It's still the same white thing only...Sorry for being ungrateful, but I would have expected that to be finally customizable now.

schwa · 02-23-2011, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by AdamWathan

Alt+click to delete item fades is still broken though, really there should be a context in the mouse modifiers for "Media item fade/crossfade - Click" so we can get the V3 behavior back

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Originally Posted by schwa

Is it? The default behavior for alt-drag on fades was changed at some point for symmetry with the other behaviors, if I change the behavior to "delete fade/crossfade" it seems to work as expected.

... if you have posted elsewhere with more information about this, could you link to it (or give the information again)?

lawrs · 02-23-2011, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by mikeroephonics

v4.0alpha45 - February 23 2011

+ Edit cursor: fixed extending time selection after moving cursor via tab-to-transient (or other action)

THANK YOU GUYS. YOU PUT ME TO TEARS SOMETIMES. T.T

Also.. not sure when you sneaky fellas tucked this one in..

Quote:

Transient detection sensivity adjust (MIDI CC/mousewheel only)

but thank you. I couldn't ask for a better developer company.

PitchSlap · 02-23-2011, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by mikeroephonics

+ Themes: separately configurable colors for misc windows vs main window

Does this mean all the eyeball searing white background are now themeable?

bennisixx · 02-23-2011, 09:33 PM

what exactly is
+ Themes: WALTER: added tcp_fxparms to get fx parameter count in tcp context
?

sorry, I think I'm wrongly getting even more excited.

Mercado_Negro · 02-23-2011, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by PitchSlap

Does this mean all the eyeball searing white background are now themeable?

No, see Adam's post. The white part containing all info is not themeable yet.

BenK-msx · 02-23-2011, 09:35 PM

thanks for the efforts!, though video not playing ball here still

i live in hope.

ipod footage just plays hesitantly, HD stuff freezing.
if playrate is reduced to half i get playback.
tried setting disk read buffers to huge, no difference.
other players play things ok.

to help with many users on variety of systems, i'd have thought some setting/pref that we can whack up when needed to get playback would be helpful.

just feel a little helpless, at the mercy of endless codecs -

i expect it's a v.tricky old game to integrate with reapers audio handling, so patience from me.

WyattRice · 02-23-2011, 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeroephonics

v4.0alpha45 - February 23 2011

+ Themes: added tcp/mcp_[master_]vol/pan/wid_label image support
+ Themes: tcp/mcp_[master_]voltext_flags rtconfig.txt support, bitmask:
1=no dB label, 2=no sub-dB precision, 4=no +, 8=always show 2 digits of precision

Just curious if this means that we now can have vol and pan label pngs?

lawrs · 02-23-2011, 09:44 PM

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+ Themes: added tcp/mcp_[master_]vol/pan/wid_label image support

*jumps around with hands up in the air*

AdamWathan · 02-23-2011, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by schwa

...

... if you have posted elsewhere with more information about this, could you link to it (or give the information again)?

Well I'm not sure I guess. You're right, when changing the alt+drag behavior to "delete fade", alt+click deletes the fade but alt+drag then just moves the fade. Sort of unintuitive to have to change the "drag" behavior in order for the click behavior to change.

When alt+drag is set to "Move fade and stretch items", I'm only getting "move fade" happening here though anyways. When and how is the item supposed to stretch when alt+dragging the fade, can anyone do a LICECap or something?

Mercado_Negro · 02-23-2011, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by lawrs

*jumps around with hands up in the air*

What's the benefit of having separate images for this?

schwa · 02-23-2011, 09:53 PM

Here is "move fade" (drag, 0:01), then "move fade and stretch items" (alt+drag, 0:04), then "move crossfade and stretch items" (shift+alt+drag, 0:06):

(note none of this is new with this build)

AdamWathan · 02-23-2011, 09:55 PM

Ah okay of course a crossfade needs to exist, makes sense.

Still, I feel like those behaviors can all co-exist can they not? A drag is not a click and a click is not a drag

To me it's just a bit confusing that when you set "alt+drag" to "delete item fade", alt+drag actually changes to "move item fade" and alt+click is the behavior that switches to delete. If alt+drag isn't going to delete like the preference says it is, why does it have to be "move item fade" and not something user specifiable? Sorry for making you work so hard schwa

I'm a bastard I know :/

Mercado_Negro · 02-23-2011, 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdamWathan

Ah okay of course a crossfade needs to exist, makes sense.

Still, I feel like those behaviors can all co-exist can they not? A drag is not a click and a click is not a drag

Just curious, why don't you set it to 'alt+double-click'? I changed it a couple of builds ago and it's pretty easy to adapt to it.

lawrs · 02-23-2011, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Mercado_Negro

What's the benefit of having separate images for this?

So that more focus/weight can be placed for vol/pan/width labels.

Here's an example.

AdamWathan · 02-23-2011, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Mercado_Negro

Just curious, why don't you set it to 'alt+double-click'? I changed it a couple of builds ago and it's pretty easy to adapt to it.

Because I'm an asshole of course!

Bevosss · 02-23-2011, 10:10 PM

This track selection bug remains unfixed still: http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...postcount=1369

Tcp width (that you can doubleclick) should really be an action by now, it was implemented many alphas ago it seems...please devs, a lot of guys want it, an action is way faster than positioning your mouse, especially if you aren't holding the mouse to begin with.

Please give us the option to show offset/start in source in samples, ms is inaccurate for slip-edit copy/paste.

I agree with Adam, I'd like to alt-click to delete fades without losing the current drag functionality (as displayed in Schwa's excellent gif)

The theme improvements sound good, I must test... thanks!

Bevosss · 02-23-2011, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Mercado_Negro

Just curious, why don't you set it to 'alt+double-click'? I changed it a couple of builds ago and it's pretty easy to adapt to it.

I did too...single click would still be better of course.

lawrs · 02-23-2011, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by mikeroephonics

v4.0alpha45 - February 23 2011

fixed vertical vol fader in tcp

OMG AYFSM ?!

maixueguonian · 02-23-2011, 10:22 PM

What is this word?

bradleyfilms · 02-23-2011, 10:49 PM

élastique The acute accent over the e is probably causing you trouble.
Steve

Mercado_Negro · 02-23-2011, 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lawrs

So that more focus/weight can be placed for vol/pan/width labels.

Here's an example.

Thanks! Looks nicer indeed.

Cheers

hopi · 02-23-2011, 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdamWathan

A drag is not a click and a click is not a drag

...unless of course it's a click in drag...

hopi · 02-23-2011, 11:23 PM

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+ Themes: separately configurable colors for misc windows vs main window

...and where is this control exactly??? I looked in pref's for Themes where we set colors and did not see a new misc windows color... did I miss it?

jpettit · 02-23-2011, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by mikeroephonics

v4.0alpha45 - February 23 2011
+ Video: increased decode thread priority
+ Video: DirectShow WMV fix

Video Results a45

.WMV 30fps Test anywhere from 1.5 - 9 Mbps all work good! Thanks!!!

h.264 .MP4 very solid

.AVI about the same playback rate and frame drop as windows media player ( depending on BPS rates)

.MOV working well

.mpg imported but with no video (black) just audio play back.

.m2v Could not import. ( although it plays on WMP via DirectShow)

The biggest issues now is I had several hangs while saving test projects. (MP4 and AVI 1 Gig + files)
Removing the copy file to project directory causes it to stop hanging.

dub3000 · 02-23-2011, 11:36 PM

just so everyone knows - a lot of those extensions (e.g. '.avi', '.mov') are just container formats. the actual video could be anything. i reckon if you can provide more info to the devs on what encoding the video is (e.g. h264/theora/vp8/xvid/mjpeg/etc), that'll be really useful to them.

WyattRice · 02-23-2011, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by lawrs

So that more focus/weight can be placed for vol/pan/width labels.

Here's an example.

I'll be glad when I can figure out how to do this.

Any Ideals yet?

Win Conway · 02-24-2011, 01:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xenakios

Unfortunately, I am not seeing an option to change the actual list view colors...It's still the same white thing only...Sorry for being ungrateful, but I would have expected that to be finally customizable now.

First thing i checked = fail

Win Conway · 02-24-2011, 01:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeroephonics

v4.0alpha45 - February 23 2011

+ Themes: tcp/mcp_[master_]voltext_flags rtconfig.txt support, bitmask:
1=no dB label, 2=no sub-dB precision, 4=no +, 8=always show 2 digits of precision

Anybody got any idea what this is ?
Maybe an example code or image or something, i was hoping it was going to get rid of the ugly overlay on the master meter, but i guess not.

EricM · 02-24-2011, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by AdamWathan

A drag is not a click and a click is not a drag

One click too many is always a drag.

cockOHS · 02-24-2011, 02:27 AM

the gain reading doesn't follow the envelope automation still.

mikeroephonics · 02-24-2011, 02:37 AM

+ Themes: separately configurable colors for misc windows vs main window

Is this a WALTER thing? I can't locate it in the Theme Editor.

Thanks

gofer · 02-24-2011, 02:42 AM

+ Themes: removed limit on number of theme subfolders allowed

Not sure what the reason is, but none of my theme's subfolder layouts do actually use their subfolder anymore. They all use the images from the theme's main image folder. Has something changed with the syntax?