FREE, NEW, HIGH QUALITY reverb IR files HERE.

[Tod]

Originally Posted by alex1073

The files are mono to stereo and should be loaded into mono to stereo plugin. If not, processing will still be ps (which is not good for hard panned mono sources).

Heh heh, okay, I've always used busses fjor reverb, like SMM describes above, so I've never encountered any problems like this.

[urednik]

Thanks, I get it now. I was doing it correctly from the beginning.

[SMM]

Originally Posted by urednik

Thanks, I get it now. I was doing it correctly from the beginning.

I'm glad that you understand now.
It's good to hear that you had it correct from the start.
(The "tech" stuff and terms can be confusing sometimes).

[alex1073]

Originally Posted by Tod

Heh heh, okay, I've always used busses fjor reverb, like SMM describes above, so I've never encountered any problems like this.

That has nothing to do with busses. Sending pre-fader solves the problem for mono sources (if you really want to send pre-fader). One can also duplicate a track, take care that it doesn't hit the 2 buss and send post fader from it (or do that with stereo track and mono it). All workarounds. Anyway, I didn't post to argue my point. Just wanted to thank SMM for great irs and let people know it's maybe better to use a mono to stereo plugin.

Cheers, Alex

[Barksy]

I have never gone down the track using any IR's yet.

How are these loaded into Reaverb?

[rog951]

Originally Posted by Barksy

I have never gone down the track using any IR's yet.

How are these loaded into Reaverb?

Take a look at section 11.3 of the reaper FX guide pdf. It's basically a wav file import.

http://www.reaper.fm/guides/ReaEffectsGuide.pdf

[rog951]

And a BIG "thank you" to SMM for the impulses!

[Barksy]

Thanks very much SMM, and thanks Rog951 for the tip!

[SMM]

Originally Posted by Barksy

I have never gone down the track using any IR's yet.

How are these loaded into Reaverb?

Bonus information:

The IR files are numbered:

VS8F-1 = 100s
VS8F-2 = 200s
VS8F-3 = 300s

You can put ALL of the individual IR files into ONE folder (anywhere in
your computer), then, click on "browse" in ReaVerb and choose that folder.
All files contained within that one folder will show up in ReaVerb.

Tip:
I created the numbering system for anyone wishing to combine all
of the IR files (from the entire collection) into one folder for easy access.

Instructions:
Create a new folder and title it: "VS8F Reverb IR files", then,
copy and paste all of the INDIVIDUAL IR files into that one folder.

Next, in ReaVerb hit "Browse" and select that folder.
(You will now have access to the entire collection under one folder).

... Enjoy !!

[rothchild]

Thanks SMM,

Not sure you can ever have enough reverb impulses so thanks for sharing!

Child

[alex1073]

Originally Posted by SMM

Alex,

Thank you for the great information that you have been posting on
this thread.... It's very much appreciated !!! Excellent stuff !!!

Actually, what I wrote about duplicating mono track is absolutely unnecessary - pre-fader, pre or post fx is the way to go, as you already explained. However, it would be necessary to do that with stereo source, because it has to be summed to mono somehow before it hits the reverb (sometimes it sounds good when mono to stereo verb is used on stereo source, sometimes it doesn't, but that's OT now).

Cheers, Alex

[Tod]

Originally Posted by SMM

(You will now have the entire collection loaded into ReaVerb all at once).

Hi SMM, I know you mean (You will now have access to the entire collection under one folder), just thought I'd clarify that.

Originally Posted by alex1073

Actually, what I wrote about duplicating mono track is absolutely unnecessary - pre-fader, pre or post fx is the way to go, as you already explained. However, it would be necessary to do that with stereo source, because it has to be summed to mono somehow before it hits the reverb (sometimes it sounds good when mono to stereo verb is used on stereo source, sometimes it doesn't, but that's OT now).

Cheers, Alex

Hi Alex, I think a lot depends on the type of material your working with. For many types of music mono_to_stereo works fine even with stereo tracks. For orchestral material True Stereo Reverb might be preferable. Under ordinary circumstances (non orchestral), I think you'd be hard pressed to tell the difference between Mono_to_Stereo vrs True Stereo. Heh heh, I'm not 100% sure on that, might be worth a test.

I will say though, that I have mixed with both ways and found it not so easy to tell the difference.

[SMM]

Originally Posted by Tod

Hi SMM, I know you mean (You will now have access to the entire collection under one folder), just thought I'd clarify that.

Tod,

Thank you.... I appreciate it !!! (I edited the post and fixed it).

[urednik]

BTW is it just me or is Bricasti true stereo impulses sounding completely different (for my taste better, fuller)?

[Tod]

Originally Posted by urednik

BTW is it just me or is Bricasti true stereo impulses sounding completely different (for my taste better, fuller)?

Considering that Bricasti is a dedicated reverb costing well beyond what the Roland VS-2480 workstation cost, that wouldn't be surprising. Also you mention True Stereo and that can make a difference depending what your using them for. However, if you've made some tests regarding the two IRs it wold be interesting if you could post the results.

[Smurf]

Originally Posted by urednik

BTW is it just me or is Bricasti true stereo impulses sounding completely different (for my taste better, fuller)?

Yes, the Bricasti true stereo ones do sound better, but these also sound much better using the SIR software instead of Reapers IR reader.

[SMM]

Originally Posted by urednik

BTW is it just me or is Bricasti true stereo impulses sounding completely different (for my taste better, fuller)?

Are you comparing the VS8F files to the Bricasti files ?
If so, then yes, you are correct. They sound different.
They are two different animals.

The VS8F files and the Bricasti files each have their "own" sound.

They both sound great in their own way.

Having both will add more colors to your tool box to work with.

[Halma]

WOOT! Thank you for the IRs. Factory settings...yummy.

Regards
Sebastian

[urednik]

Originally Posted by Smurf

Yes, the Bricasti true stereo ones do sound better, but these also sound much better using the SIR software instead of Reapers IR reader.

Thanks for this point. Is it to much if I ask what is it that sir does better?
You mean the tweaks like duration etc.? I doubt that makes something sound better. With impulses it is better to find the appropriate one rather than tweaking one. Or am I understanding it wrong?

Well if someone don't know I use reverb for live acoustic classical music mainly, so I need lots of reverb in some occasion. For many my opinion will not be relevant at all.

[Tod]

Originally Posted by Smurf

Yes, the Bricasti true stereo ones do sound better, but these also sound much better using the SIR software instead of Reapers IR reader.

Originally Posted by urednik

Thanks for this point. Is it to much if I ask what is it that sir does better?

I'd like to know too Smurf, can you explain how/why SIR sounds better than ReaVerb? I'm not disagreeing with you at all, I'm just curious what you find different.

Also, are you using SIR2? If so, a single SIR2 handles True Stereo impulses where as ReaVerb requires two instances.

However, I'd like to know, if both SIR and ReaVerb are set up properly, what is the difference in their sound.

Well if someone don't know I use reverb for live acoustic classical music mainly, so I need lots of reverb in some occasion. For many my opinion will not be relevant at all.

I don't think your opinion is irrelevant at all urednik.

[RoboPlankton]

I'm following this thread with interest.

I can load IRs and tweak until the cows come home, but.....

....I have no reference point!

What is a GOOD reverb? Sure, I can listen to pro tracks and enjoy the effect, but if I'm working on a track of my own how do I figure the best reverb for it?

What should I be listening for? Some 'cathedral' reverbs sound more 'boomy' than others, but most of the other types just sound like....reverb.

I'm missing something, I know, but what?

[conens]

Thanks

[SMM]

Originally Posted by RoboPlankton

I'm following this thread with interest.

I can load IRs and tweak until the cows come home, but.....

....I have no reference point!

What is a GOOD reverb? Sure, I can listen to pro tracks and enjoy the effect, but if I'm working on a track of my own how do I figure the best reverb for it?

What should I be listening for? Some 'cathedral' reverbs sound more 'boomy' than others, but most of the other types just sound like....reverb.

I'm missing something, I know, but what?

Here is a good place to start:

When preparing my recorded tracks for mixing,
I start by using factory presets until I find the one that
sounds the best to my ear, then, I tweak it from there if needed.
(that is my starting point).

There really is no rules here. Just be creative and use your ears.
Try to find what you think works the best (based on the material being mixed).

In conclusion:
If you are unsure at the beginning, start with
the factory presets and go from there.

I hope that helps to answer your question.
This is the best advice that I can give you on that topic.

[RoboPlankton]

^^^^

Thanks, SMM!

So, no trade secrets then. Like everything else, the ears are the key.

I'll spend more time experimenting to give myself my own reference point.

[Rusty Falcon]

Originally Posted by RoboPlankton

^^^^

Thanks, SMM!

So, no trade secrets then. Like everything else, the ears are the key.

I'll spend more time experimenting to give myself my own reference point.

One trick I've picked up is to place an EQ right after the reverb plugin insert. As I recall some of the most famous reverbs use a HPF around 500 Hz and an LPF around 8kHz.

Might want to vary the EQ based on the progam material.

I've also heard about people putting a compressor as an insert after the reverb but not tried it myself.

[RoboPlankton]

Thanks!

HPF, LPF.......I'm with you on these, no problem .

[Halma]

Originally Posted by RoboPlankton

Thanks!

HPF, LPF.......I'm with you on these, no problem .

HPF = High Pass Filter
LPF = Low Pass Filter

Actually there are some kind of concepts in setting up a virtual stage but in the end it is your experience that counts. The more you try the more you "save" in your head.

One concept would be setting up one reverb as a send with three different receive channels with at least two of them delayed. Think about it like a manual pre-delay setup. Predelay is the time the signal needs to travel through space and to bounce back from the walls for the very first time and travels back to the listener. So the longer the pre-delay time the bigger the distance and the bigger the room. Now with three different pre-delay time values you can create a virtual stage where instruments are either more near a reflecting surface or not.

That´s one concept you can use. A lot of engineers use three different reverbs: a room, a hall and a plate one and all of the instruments use either one or more or none.

Another thing to keep in mind is "the tone" of your reverb and how it reflects the material. How does something sound in a large cargo hall with those metal walls? How does it sound in a small 10x10 ft room with cushion and carpet and stuff like that?

If you really want to dig deeper into reverberation I only can recommend you the following:

- learn the basic theory of physics especially acoustics (no need to understand the big math, just the basics like how fast soundwaves travel and how to calculate them)

- just get the idea behind RT60 and learn how RT60 behaves in different frequency regions (125HZ, 250Hz, 500Hz, 1000Hz, 2000Hz & 4000Hz) - if you can read those diagrams you just need to learn how to translate all those into your reverb and you are fine

- search the net for everything reverb related especially all the classic stuff like Plate Reverbs, Spring Reverbs, Digital Reverbs, Echo Chambers etc. and for classic brands like Lexicon, Roland etc.

- when you examine your reverbs throw in some delays and test them on that material too because sometimes a delay is the better choice.

- while playing with your delays you learn something about the concepts of Early Reflections (something you also find on reverbs)

Anyway, I hope some of it helps a little bit. In the end it`s all about experience.

Regards
Sebastian

[rdesanti]

Forgive me for asking but what do I need to use this and how do I install this?

[Barksy]

Rog951 pretty much nailed on the 2nd Nov post.

[bigwoody]

These are very nice but I have a ReaVerb vs SIR question/issue. When I use these inpulses in ReaVerb (all default settings) I get all kinds of crackles and distortion. When I use the same ones in SIR - quiet as can be. System is WinXP with 3G ram. Not that I have an issue with using SIR but I always try to use Reaper FX when possible to make it easier to collaborate with others. Any suggestions.

[Tod]

Originally Posted by bigwoody

These are very nice but I have a ReaVerb vs SIR question/issue. When I use these inpulses in ReaVerb (all default settings) I get all kinds of crackles and distortion. When I use the same ones in SIR - quiet as can be. System is WinXP with 3G ram. Not that I have an issue with using SIR but I always try to use Reaper FX when possible to make it easier to collaborate with others. Any suggestions.

Try checking the box down in the lower right corner for LL. It stands for lower latencers or something like that, don't know for sure. I don't usually have problems but I had the same problem the other day and when I checked that they went away.

[SMM]

Originally Posted by bigwoody

These are very nice but I have a ReaVerb vs SIR question/issue. When I use these inpulses in ReaVerb (all default settings) I get all kinds of crackles and distortion. When I use the same ones in SIR - quiet as can be. System is WinXP with 3G ram. Not that I have an issue with using SIR but I always try to use Reaper FX when possible to make it easier to collaborate with others. Any suggestions.

Try doing what Tod said (in the post above)...
Put a check mark (click on) BOTH the "ZL" and "LL" boxes in ReaVerb
to see if that makes a difference for your computer.
(These are latency/processing options in ReaVerb).

" ZL " = Use this option to enable zero latency: useful when tracking to monitor reverb levels.
" LL " = Use this option to use an extra thread to improve low latency performance.

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About the MAX FFT setting in ReaVerb:

The default MAX FFT setting in ReaVerb is: "16384".
FFT (Fast Fourier Transform) filters are a complex mathematical topic.
Changing the FFT size changes CPU usage.
A lower FFT setting means a higher CPU usage, but spread more evenly.
Higher FFT sizes will consume less CPU but result in more latency.
FFT size will therefore affect performance and possible dropouts, but it
should not affect the sound itself.
If you don't understand it, you're probably best advised to accept the default setting.

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I hope this information helps.
Be sure to let us know if you were able to solve the ReaVerb issue in your computer.

[bigwoody]

Awesome guys, thanks for all the suggestions. Tod's "LL" check did the trick. I haven't had a ton of time to test, but my quick comparison of various impulses with the "LL" box on vs off solves the issue so far. If I run into further issues I'll try some of the other stuff.

[Jeffsounds]

Originally Posted by SMM

Here are several suggestions:

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I always recommend these settings in ReaVerb
as my starting point for any IR file:

--Mucho Deletedo--

Thank you for this! I've recently given Reaverb a chance and have been more than mildly surprised. I really use it more than any other verb now so I appreciate the pointers, as do others here I'm sure.

[Smurf]

Late reply, but here goes...

I am using SIR 2.04.10 at this point, and to my ear the differences between all the other Reverb IR readers I have tried and SIR are...

1. The separation / spread of the IR's, no matter which ones they are, feel wider, deeper, and just overall more immersive.

2. The tone of the tails are more detailed...it is hard to explain, but in other IR readers as the verb tails off, the tone not only gets grainy on the "low end" IR's, there is a tone change as well. With a good set the tails retain the "clarity" all the way to the end...it does not get "muddy" or sound like the mid's get chopped.

But the same good set in ReaVerb sounds like a cheap set....

This is why I bought SIR years ago, and saved for a long tome to update to 2. ReaVerb is a good tool, and is in NO WAY un-usable, but I would suggest grabbing the LiquidSonics' Reverberate Demo, or the older free SIR 1 and trying these out in them.

Do it while your ears are fresh, using acoustic instruments like guitar, violin (fiddle to us "normal" people! ) or upright bass, vocals...delicate sound sources. THIS will let you hear the difference between the readers, and hear how good the tails are on these.

And as usual, this is an IMHO, YMMV, yada yada etc etc type of post....

[Kamil]

Thank you! I will try these later. A nice addition to my collection of IR's!

[SMM]

You are welcome.

[Marcel K-O]

Thank you very much. Can you tell us what software and how you captured the IR's ?

[SMM]

Originally Posted by Marcel K-O

Thank you very much. Can you tell us what software and how you captured the IR's ?

I used "ReaVerb" (a convolution reverb plugin that comes stock with REAPER).
The plugin can generate sine sweeps, and can deconvolve also.

I kept the audio path 100% digital for the entire process.

Two Roland units were used to capture the effects:
#1. The Roland VS880 Digital Studio Workstation for VS8F-1 effects.
#2. The Roland VS2480 Digital Studio Workstation for VS8F-2 and VS8F-3 effects

I kept the factory presets for the effects 100% unchanged from start to finish.
(Note: which means the pre-delay settings in the reverb presets are also retained in
the IR files).

Side note:
I used the Roland audio "Mastering" data format inside the units
(a linear uncompressed audio format) when capturing the effects.

[Marcel K-O]

Thank you for your generosity and taking the time to do this. I did not know I could create IR's with Reaverb. You have answerd my question ten fold.

I am going to practice these methods and try to create some IR's for myself and share them in this thread in the future.

These are among the best IR's I have in my collection, and I will use them often.

Again Thank you very much

Marcel