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03-25-2009, 05:49 AM
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Free or inexpensive VST LA-2A
I'm totally diggin' my Reaper eval so far !!
VST's have come a long way since I was last over on "this" side (as opposed to $$$RTAS$$).
There's a stack of very good free or inexpensive tools.
So far I'm loving:
ddmf stuff -- ColourEQ, IIEQPro, LP10
Audio Damage -- Rough Rider, ADVerb (Reverence)
Leftover Lasagna -- Pushtec
Still sorting through the supplied plugs -- LOSER Saturation, Stillwell 1175 and MajorTom stand out so far, but I'm sure I'll find others.
I have yet to find an LA-2A though.
Anyone know of a good free or inexpensive version?
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03-25-2009, 05:55 AM
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Stillwell's Rocket does interesting things, don't know if it covers that base, but since you didn't mention I think you should have a look
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03-25-2009, 01:48 PM
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GERSIC VST
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03-25-2009, 02:38 PM
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Wow! thanks for this.
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03-25-2009, 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Geoff Waddington
I'm totally diggin' my Reaper eval so far !!
VST's have come a long way since I was last over on "this" side (as opposed to $$$RTAS$$).
There's a stack of very good free or inexpensive tools.
So far I'm loving:
ddmf stuff -- ColourEQ, IIEQPro, LP10
Audio Damage -- Rough Rider, ADVerb (Reverence)
Leftover Lasagna -- Pushtec
Still sorting through the supplied plugs -- LOSER Saturation, Stillwell 1175 and MajorTom stand out so far, but I'm sure I'll find others.
I have yet to find an LA-2A though.
Anyone know of a good free or inexpensive version?
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Antress has one...
It's a good compressor but NOT a direct emulation.
Download Link:
http://www.gersic.com/plugins/hosted...dernLA-2ME.dll
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03-25-2009, 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Tedwood
Stillwell's Rocket does interesting things, don't know if it covers that base, but since you didn't mention I think you should have a look
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Rocket is much more of an 1176 IMO. Majortom, though supposedly a tribute to the dbx 260 ... is very LA-2A-esque in feedback mode. I have yet to find a good LA-2A plug myself and still use a hardware unit myself. NOTHING better on vocals, bass and violin.
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03-26-2009, 05:16 AM
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Yeah, for me too. The Major Tom makes a wonderful vocal compressor -
in Feedback mode
set to RMS not peak.
This way, it sounds like the hardware LA2 without some of the 'cream' if you know what i mean.
Personally, I find UAD's LA2 to be actually not very accurate in this respect. I find the UAD plugin is way 'warmer' than any hardware LA2 i've used, smearing the mid-band quite a bit as a result, which when i put up against the actual device on a project i was recording last year, I just didnt get.
Major Tom doesn't do that smearing -- your signal is nice and clean, but with the compression behaviour very much like the LA2. So for me, I now prefer it over the UAD version, but if the hardware la2 is available and properly working (!!) then that just about rules.
I'm begining to wonder if some 'vintage' plugins *way* overdo the added harmonic profile of some of these devices to sound initially 'vintage' and 'analog' but just end up adding some more problems of their own.
(note i said 'some' plugins. I don't want to spark a big row here, as sound is always what you make it).
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03-26-2009, 08:55 AM
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12-27-2009, 12:11 PM
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Yeah, for me too. The Major Tom makes a wonderful vocal compressor -
in Feedback mode
set to RMS not peak.
This way, it sounds like the hardware LA2 without some of the 'cream' if you know what i mean.
Personally, I find UAD's LA2 to be actually not very accurate in this respect. I find the UAD plugin is way 'warmer' than any hardware LA2 i've used, smearing the mid-band quite a bit as a result, which when i put up against the actual device on a project i was recording last year, I just didnt get.
Major Tom doesn't do that smearing -- your signal is nice and clean, but with the compression behaviour very much like the LA2. So for me, I now prefer it over the UAD version, but if the hardware la2 is available and properly working (!!) then that just about rules.
I'm begining to wonder if some 'vintage' plugins *way* overdo the added harmonic profile of some of these devices to sound initially 'vintage' and 'analog' but just end up adding some more problems of their own.
(note i said 'some' plugins. I don't want to spark a big row here, as sound is always what you make it).
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this is a great tip!
i'll buy me my a tommy now i guess!
really good for my vocals
thanks bro!
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12-27-2009, 01:40 PM
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this is a great tip!
i'll buy me my a tommy now i guess!
really good for my vocals
thanks bro!
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Major Tom comes free with Reaper.Check your VSTs
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12-27-2009, 01:45 PM
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Major Tom comes free with Reaper.Check your VSTs
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i know, the js version, but there is a GUIed version wich is not tied to reaper (there is a beta js-vst thought).
also there is a gain reduction meter, wich i tend to use for transparent tasks.
thanks anyways.
peace!
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12-27-2009, 02:09 PM
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also set reacomp to a low ratio and a ridiculous knee size, and set the threshold low enough to be on most of the time. You'll end up with a lot of that "wuH!" type of sound on vocal notes sliding up
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12-27-2009, 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by dasdeck
ithere is a GUIed version wich is not tied to reaper (there is a beta js-vst thought).
also there is a gain reduction meter
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...and a nice oversampling option, cpu-hungry but it does sound different! In all Stillwell's plugins that's the main difference between JS and VST versions.
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12-28-2009, 02:12 AM
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dream vortex' levelling amp by martin best, here:
http://www.dreamvortex.co.uk/effects/
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12-28-2009, 08:17 AM
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I have been looking at that comp for the last 6 months, i'm not too much of a demo-kinda-guy bit i always wondered, how does it sound ??
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12-28-2009, 10:21 AM
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A cheap hardware solution is the ART VLA II . It is a Vactrol tube 2 channel unit that can be had for around $200-250. Well worth it and definitely gets you in the ball park. I too have not found a suitable software solution for a LA-2a
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09-09-2010, 06:42 PM
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what about the bluecat compressor?
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09-10-2010, 10:56 AM
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Anyone know of a legitimate "before and after" clip of a hardware LA-2A doing it's thing?
It's so legendary, I'm curious just what the difference really is.
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09-10-2010, 11:29 AM
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Anyone know of a legitimate "before and after" clip of a hardware LA-2A doing it's thing?
It's so legendary, I'm curious just what the difference really is.
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good call. id like to hear that as well, including the exact settings on the LA2A in the clip so we can try to match that with a plug or with my distressor.
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09-10-2010, 11:48 AM
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also set reacomp to a low ratio and a ridiculous knee size, and set the threshold low enough to be on most of the time. You'll end up with a lot of that "wuH!" type of sound on vocal notes sliding up
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You can simulate the LA-2a with the ReaComp that comes with Reaper. (I was typing this as Pipeline replied)
Choose 10ms for the attack time, release time from 80ms to 2sec as fits the music, 3:1 or 4:1 compression and a soft knee.
This is only a rough guide and you aren't getting the magic of the tubes and transformers of a real hardware LA-2a, but it is a start. Put a soft distortion VST after the comp and set it for a very mild tube-like sound, to get you even closer... maybe the Tal-Tube: http://kunz.corrupt.ch/?Products:VST_TAL-Tube or the Musicrow Preamp Emulator: http://www.mcrow.net/Preamp%20Emulator%20VST.htm or the Voxengo Tube Amp: http://www.voxengo.com/product/tubeamp/
regards, Jack
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09-10-2010, 01:28 PM
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If you're going down the route of simulating the LA-2A with another compressor, something that may help is simulating what it does to high frequencies. It has an interesting gain-reduction-dependent HF boost from about 6kHz upwards.
The amount of HF boost increases as gain reduction increases, which seems to help the compression to sound more transparent on transients; it also helps a lot on a vocal track. If you're compressing by about 3dB, use a really really gentle high shelf to boost by about 3dB. If you're compressing by 20dB (god forbid!!), then boost by about 6dB.
I would recommend using an EQ that supports oversampling if you're working at 44.1kHz, because ReaEQ (for example) is not capable of boosting high frequencies close to SR/2 with a natural phase response. I'm guessing here, but I imagine that the high frequency boost of the LA-2A is a bit like the presence boost of the Avedis MA5, where the centre -frequency of the boost is above 20kHz, which results in less phase distortion below 20kHz, and a more "natural" sounding presence lift.
That's purely speculation about the design though, and if you use ReaEQ to boost by 6dB at 20kHz, with the bandwidth as wide as possible, it would sound fine I think.
- edit - also try using a HPF in the compressor sidechain
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also theres the voxengo elephant. give it a listen, its very forgiving as a peak limiter...
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09-12-2010, 12:21 AM
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Since I sold my UAD card, I've been missing the wonderful LA-2A plugin which I used on vocals. I tested lots of free compressors I could find to get even similar results. But none of them could give that smooth, full, breathing vocal sound. Until I found Antress Lost Angel. I don't say it's 1:1 with the UAD LA-2A, but it sounds really good and has similar characteristics. Now I use it on vocals and they sound great, too.
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09-12-2010, 06:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Jacko
You can simulate the LA-2a with the ReaComp that comes with Reaper. (I was typing this as Pipeline replied)
Choose 10ms for the attack time, release time from 80ms to 2sec as fits the music, 3:1 or 4:1 compression and a soft knee.
This is only a rough guide and you aren't getting the magic of the tubes and transformers of a real hardware LA-2a, but it is a start. Put a soft distortion VST after the comp and set it for a very mild tube-like sound, to get you even closer... maybe the Tal-Tube: http://kunz.corrupt.ch/?Products:VST_TAL-Tube or the Musicrow Preamp Emulator: http://www.mcrow.net/Preamp%20Emulator%20VST.htm or the Voxengo Tube Amp: http://www.voxengo.com/product/tubeamp/
regards, Jack
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This sounds really interesting...cant wait to try this out!
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The most LA-2A-like free compressor is blockfish from the fish filets bundle:
http://www.digitalfishphones.com/mai...em=2&subItem=5
And the best 1176 simulation for free is definitely this one:
https://www.audiocation.de/plugin/
Both are from Germany, so you can`t do anything wrong.
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And if you need the worlds best Fairchild simulation and the worlds best Tape Saturation, take Density MKII and FerricTDS: http://varietyofsound.wordpress.com/downloads/
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Really? I like blockfish for certain things but its kind of an obvious crush effect. How do you set it up for an LA-2A sound?
Thanks for the heads up on the Audiocation comp. Coded by christian budde so you know its quality. Definitly has that explosive 1176 drum sound going on. I'm gonna a/b it with the rocket and see how it holds up but for free it sounds pretty good.
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Thanks for the heads up on this plug. It has moved into my top 10.
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09-13-2010, 10:09 AM
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Really? I like blockfish for certain things but its kind of an obvious crush effect. How do you set it up for an LA-2A sound?
Thanks for the heads up on the Audiocation comp. Coded by christian budde so you know its quality. Definitly has that explosive 1176 drum sound going on. I'm gonna a/b it with the rocket and see how it holds up but for free it sounds pretty good.
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Hey, this is my 100th post! I wish to thank god, and my parents, who always supported me ... bla bla bla
For blockfish its important to keep the saturation anticlockwise for most of signals. Except for Bass-Signals, here its one of the best you can do, even with settings over 50%. As a UAD owner i know that its not 100% like LA-2A (plugins!), but it was a long time the closest freeware to it. Today the most LA-2A sounding is the compressor in varosound`s NastyVCS of course. http://varietyofsound.wordpress.com/downloads/
The Rocket has the advantage of dry/wet setting, and you can dial the mojo in, while the good sounding transformer simulation (Übertragersimulation) of AC-1 is fixed.
Yeah, Budde is one of the best developers, next to Eversmeier and Goldberg (bootsy), Siedschlag, Knufinke... damn, even the developer behind Roger Nichols was a german (Bastian Schnürle). I don`t know why they all are here. I suggest we make a list of all (good!) plugin developers, not coming from germany.
Here is a beginning (a list, not a ranking!):
1. Ken Watabe (buzzroom ... man, where are you ? Go on with it!)
2. Alexander Vaneev (voxengo ... voxengo is voxengo!)
3. Scott Stillwell (Hi Scott !)
4. Kjaerhus (hope you will come back)
5. TC Electronics (i ever knew, the high prices will not function)
6. Softube (what did i recently say?)
7. Universal Audio (for the ManleyEQ and the Distressor i would instantly put you to first place )
8. Matt Craig (some say, he`s just a myth)
9. Martin Rodensjo (a Swede)
10. Daniel Lind (another Swede)
11. Steven Massey (highly recommend by Scott)
12. Jeroen Breebaart (his Smash Pro is realy a mix rescue, my top recommendation, get it !!!)
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I have been experimenting with a lot of plugs lately trying to get a go-to parallel vox comp track/bus that I feel great about. I finally have an effects chain I like, and this TLs-2095-LA is the star of the group. The more you push it, the thicker it gets (within reason). Just from looking at it, one would never guess.
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I have read that Antress "Modern Lost Angel" emulates a L2A2... what do you think ?
I use it on my master buss and find it really nice, but I am no expert in the "compressor" field...
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I have read that Antress "Modern Lost Angel" emulates a L2A2... what do you think ?
I use it on my master buss and find it really nice, but I am no expert in the "compressor" field...
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I've read mixed reviews about the Antress plugs. Let us know what you find out.
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10-05-2010, 03:59 PM
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Forget Antress !!!
Sorry, but i cannot hear this Antress excitement anymore. Forget him or her or what ever "Antress" means. His first plugins were the same cheap algorithms behind different GUIs, which he had just copied from the UAD-originals. His or her new plugins seem to have one and the same new algorhithm and an own new GUI, but they are eating far too much CPU and there is absolute no Mojo coming with the "Fairchild" or "LA-2A" compression. And believe me, there is a lot of Mojo in the UAD-versions. I would actually have no problem with him, if he would not use names like Fairchild or Pultec for his stuff. But with his GUIs and descriptions, he obviously thinks to belong to the high league of Plugin developers, while he is actually only a mountbaker, who never saw a real Fairchild in his life. And - by the way - if you found an LA2A that is good on "master buss" ... sorry man, this plugin can`t be a LA2A. Of course it is said, that you cannot do something wrong with it, but this is only refered to the rare features. The LA2A sound is so unique, actually only usable for some specific single tracks like some vocals or Bass.
So please don`t step into this Antress-GUI-trap anymore. Go for digitalfishphones, audiocation and variety of sound, which offer more Mojo for less CPU and everything is fine. In my opinion Antress just wants to teach the Plugin user world a lesson, and i am shure, he has a good laugh. Thats why he will never reveal himself or herself or itself or whatever.
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His first plugins were the same cheap algorithms behind different GUIs (...)
which he had just copied from the UAD-originals (...)
he is actually only a mountbaker, who never saw a real Fairchild in his life (...)
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How do you know that?
And... I'm not really a fan of Antress stuff. (Just in case you would hit that direction.)
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Antress stuff rocks
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Antress stuff rocks
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Indeed. Deep Purple EQ is the only eq I use on my master buss.
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good call. id like to hear that as well, including the exact settings on the LA2A in the clip so we can try to match that with a plug or with my distressor.
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There isn't much to set on an LA-2A (Input, Output, Compress/Limit), and unless your signal is exactly the same level as the signal they were using, those settings would do you little good.
Just sayin'...
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Originally Posted by rocaro
Hey, this is my 100th post! I wish to thank god, and my parents, who always supported me ... bla bla bla
For blockfish its important to keep the saturation anticlockwise for most of signals. Except for Bass-Signals, here its one of the best you can do, even with settings over 50%. As a UAD owner i know that its not 100% like LA-2A (plugins!), but it was a long time the closest freeware to it. Today the most LA-2A sounding is the compressor in varosound`s NastyVCS of course. http://varietyofsound.wordpress.com/downloads/
The Rocket has the advantage of dry/wet setting, and you can dial the mojo in, while the good sounding transformer simulation (Übertragersimulation) of AC-1 is fixed.
Yeah, Budde is one of the best developers, next to Eversmeier and Goldberg (bootsy), Siedschlag, Knufinke... damn, even the developer behind Roger Nichols was a german (Bastian Schnürle). I don`t know why they all are here. I suggest we make a list of all (good!) plugin developers, not coming from germany.
Here is a beginning (a list, not a ranking!):
1. Ken Watabe (buzzroom ... man, where are you ? Go on with it!)
2. Alexander Vaneev (voxengo ... voxengo is voxengo!)
3. Scott Stillwell (Hi Scott !)
4. Kjaerhus (hope you will come back)
5. TC Electronics (i ever knew, the high prices will not function)
6. Softube (what did i recently say?)
7. Universal Audio (for the ManleyEQ and the Distressor i would instantly put you to first place )
8. Matt Craig (some say, he`s just a myth)
9. Martin Rodensjo (a Swede)
10. Daniel Lind (another Swede)
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Don't forget Steven Massey, even if he's doing RTAS/TDM instead of VST. Definitely a great developer with a great sales and support ethos. If you're using PT still, you should be supporting his products!
Scott
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Sorry, never had ProTools. But, as far as i know your plugins, his plugins must be very good, if you say that they are. So i will put him on the list.
By the way: The JS-versions of your plugins, the ones that are included in Reaper, are sounding very different to your commercial ones. Your commercial ones are quite better. Have you created the JS-Versions ? And will there be a commercial multi-host Fairchildish in future ?
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