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Old 09-04-2011, 07:44 AM   #1
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Hy Guys

this is my gear

Charvel Jackson deluxe 375
Jackson RR1 standard with seymour duncan passive pickups

I'm using a saffire focusrite 24 pro 2 input card
I'm using a mac book pro alluminium 3,1 with a 2,4 core due 2

This is my normal FX board



these are my vst plug in



those are preferences...


I don't know why sound is discontinous
maybe due card settings, or noise gate settings or maybe cpu usage (but it seems not so high)

let me know please what to check what to do

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Reaper has always run a little sketchy with Charvel Jackson deluxe 375's.



Sorry, I have no idea about the problem you're having. Good luck though.
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Please set your Input and output device to the Saffire driver. It is now set to "(not found) Saffire)" because it was or is unplugged or has disconnected and needs a restart. You have also the legacy option to address input and output separately from within REAPER turned on. This is not recommended. If it's absolutely necessary to have the onboard chip as output device, build an aggregate device in Audio MIDI setup please.
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Reaper has always run a little sketchy with Charvel Jackson deluxe 375's.
are you joking , right?
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Please set your Input and output device to the Saffire driver. It is now set to "(not found) Saffire)" because it was or is unplugged or has disconnected and needs a restart. You have also the legacy option to address input and output separately from within REAPER turned on. This is not recommended. If it's absolutely necessary to have the onboard chip as output device, build an aggregate device in Audio MIDI setup please.
the audio card is ok
just i picked up the photo while it was disconnected
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Old 09-04-2011, 11:17 AM   #6
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are you joking , right?
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Old 09-04-2011, 12:42 PM   #7
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the audio card is ok
just i picked up the photo while it was disconnected
Still, use the same device for output.

I tend to prefer 44.1KHz sample rate, as 48K has lead to strange problems on some combinations.

Is the sound "discontinuous" with plugins bypassed? What about if you engage them one by one?

Also might help a bit if you explained the term "discontinuous" in more detail. Perhaps record a sample?

You might want to give more detail in the topic title, "problem" is pretty vague.
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Old 09-05-2011, 01:57 AM   #8
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i have only 2 gb of ram
maybe is this?

yes is discontinous
cannot play
cannot practice on daw

when i had voxengo there is an obvious delay in everythin
is i open a browser as safari i can hear cripling into the headphone
is this a ram problem?
cause i need to decide to add or change mac
maybe another 15" mac book pro.
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Old 09-05-2011, 02:27 AM   #9
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yes is discontinous
Explain "discontinous". You can write in Italian, Google Translate can help.

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when i had voxengo there is an obvious delay in everythin.
What is the soundcard latency (buffer size)?
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Explain "discontinous". You can write in Italian, Google Translate can help.



What is the soundcard latency (buffer size)?
discontinuous : act of playing is not represented in a linear way from Reaper
first notes are ok then i loose something

If i have to much track the sound is not straight but crippled

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Audio driver buffer size is set up in the Audio > Device page of the preferences.
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what is the need to use audio card also for the output?
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what is the need to use audio card also for the output?
To hear the output.

Or do you mean the need to use a separate device? It is needed if you want to use the integrated line in for input, and line out for output. The same (although more stable I presume) can be achieved with an Aggregate Device.

An external audio interface (such as your Saffire) has both inputs and outputs, so Reaper can work with a single device.
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still have big delay problems today!

i need to set the saffire well!
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Old 09-18-2011, 04:07 PM   #15
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As was suggested above, under Audio -> Device in Preferences, try setting Request block size to a lower value (64 or 128 for example) and hit OK - that should lower your latency noticeably but possibly also increase glitchiness/CPU strain, depending on what plugins you're running.

If latency becoms acceptable by doing this, but there's still glitchiness in the audio, try disabling some of the CPU-heavier plugins while recording. Or render those tracks down to audio for the time being.
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Really wish I could help, but you will have to provide
exact data to get any educated support on the issue.

- exact latency/buffer size set in the driver
- recording settings, format, sampling rate
(may not be cruical, but could provide better info)
- if you post a picture of the driver settings and
audio preference panel, post it when the card is
actually connected (seems kinda obvious..) and with
the settings that cause a certain behavior. For example
"at these settings sound is crackling, buzzing, discontinuous,
while at these settings there is a delay, but sounds ok"
- post the project data (number of tracks, audio files,
plug-ins in use, their delay compensation latencies,
their settings, CPU & RAM use when the issue is occouring.
(if you include the image make sure it's relevant)

Without this info we are unable to help you.

Good luck!
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Old 09-22-2011, 02:45 PM   #17
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first I
do not receive mails from this forum even if I set "instant mail"
on control pannel

second
sometime I have latency, sometimes I have not!
even if I start a new project with one track and just TH2 amp modeller
the gear is always the same

third
on saffire mix the response is ok but inside reaper something happen.
I can restart, and nothing the day after it can work!
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first I
do not receive mails from this forum even if I set "instant mail"
on control pannel
Your profile is set correctly and the emails don't seem to bounce, so please check your spam folder/settings in your email client and make sure that webmaster@cockos.com is on the contact list / whitelist.

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sometime I have latency, sometimes I have not!
even if I start a new project with one track and just TH2 amp modeller
the gear is always the same

third
on saffire mix the response is ok but inside reaper something happen.
I can restart, and nothing the day after it can work!
Please follow EricM's suggestions, that would help a lot helping you.
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still no mail even if i changed the old one and i verify about spam both

about verify EricM helps I'm doing it
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Old 09-22-2011, 05:30 PM   #20
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After some bad test i just set the focusrite as output
now it works, sound is really good and direct with no latency

there are still problems of crippled sound during the song
I have one track mp3 with a backing track and a second track with 3 vsts
ts9
lepou amp
reaverb

It seems reaverb the more heavy plug in in any case after put the output on saffire (I discover headphone input is broken waiting to repair it in warranty!) the play is quite ok except for the song crippling every 30 seconds
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when i active all the vst reaper host take 70% of the cpu and the audio crippled
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If you have no latency, it means that your buffer size is small. If you use heavy plugins, you must have a bigger buffer.

In Preferences > Audio > Device, check the box "Request block size", and double the value in the text box. If it is now 128, change it to 256, etc.

Does that help?
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If you have no latency, it means that your buffer size is small. If you use heavy plugins, you must have a bigger buffer.

In Preferences > Audio > Device, check the box "Request block size", and double the value in the text box. If it is now 128, change it to 256, etc.

Does that help?
defaul for me is 512

no way to have instant mail
need to repair my audio card now it will take some days
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ok first serious test

on saffire mix the sound has no delay or latency

second test

open reaper block size on 512 no delay or latency on a clean no vst sound

third test
adding ts 999 (no latency or delay)

fourth test
ts 999>lepou lecto (no delay no latency)

fifth test
ts 999>lepou lecto>reaverb (no dealy no latency)

sixth test

noise gate>ts999>lepou lecto>reaverb (no delay no latency)



now it works

it seems something occasional
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Does someone know if I improve something adding RAM?
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Old 10-04-2011, 02:06 PM   #26
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today i added 2 GB of ram but nothing as happened
still sound crippled
this happen both if i use external audio card or not.

please help me

this is the FX pannel
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other information form my mac

memoria


Disco


Cpu


Attività Disco
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Please set your Input and output device to the Saffire driver

done

I tend to prefer 44.1KHz sample rate


done


exact latency/buffer size set in the driver

4410
512

recording settings, format, sampling rate

(may not be cruical, but could provide better info)

i plug the guitar on the saffire and then i play on default settings

if you post a picture of the driver settings and
audio preference panel, post it when the card is
actually connected (seems kinda obvious..) and with
the settings that cause a certain behavior. For example
"at these settings sound is crackling, buzzing, discontinuous,
while at these settings there is a delay, but sounds ok"


the buzing is moving form a pannel to another in reaper
or just moving cursor

here settings

-
post the project data (number of tracks, audio files,
plug-ins in use, their delay compensation latencies,
their settings, CPU & RAM use when the issue is occouring.
(if you include the image make sure it's relevant)

se above


Without this info we are unable to help you.

Good luck![i]

need luck!
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now it works
Try the exact same test again.

You seem to be using bridged plugins. That might be unstable. Are you using a 64-bit Reaper?

I prefer to use a 32-bit Reaper because I use 32-bit plugins.
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exact latency/buffer size set in the driver

4410
512
Sample rate should be set to 44100, not 4410.
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Try the exact same test again.

You seem to be using bridged plugins. That might be unstable. Are you using a 64-bit Reaper?

I prefer to use a 32-bit Reaper because I use 32-bit plugins.
yes i am using reaper 64
tomorrow I will try 32
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Sample rate should be set to 44100, not 4410.
done even if default is 4800
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done even if default is 4800
No it isn't. The default was either 44100 or 48000. No soundcard supports 4800 or 4410.
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ok then
but the song remains the same
still thinking my mac book pro is obsolete or still we have to found the problem...(even if e all plug in I need cpu usage is on 70%)
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32 bit version maybe is a little bit better but still i have problem
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70% is quite high, especially during recording. For mixing, increase buffer size from 512 to 1024. For recording, lower buffer size to 128, 256 or 512 (depending on how much latency you can live with) and deactivate the plugins you don't need while recording.

If you want to find the culprits, open Reaper's perfomance monitor, disable ALL plugins, loop a section containing audio/MIDI, and start activating one plugin at a time. You should be able to see which plugins are causing the CPU problems. During recording, record without these, and during mixing, freeze the tracks using 'em.

Also, although this is a long shot, launch Disk Utility and run Verify Disk on your system drive - just to exclude the possibility of your hard drive starting to go bad. This can cause CPU spikes and laggy system response.
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If you want to find the culprits, open Reaper's perfomance monitor, disable ALL plugins, loop a section containing audio/MIDI, and start activating one plugin at a time. You should be able to see which plugins are causing the CPU problems. During recording, record without these, and during mixing, freeze the tracks using 'em.
reagate ok
reacomp ok
ts 999 ok
lepou Lecto ok
reaverb (some issues)
breverb (total caos)

i will post cpu usage for every step...
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reagate ok
reacomp ok
ts 999 ok
lepou Lecto ok
reaverb (some issues)
breverb (total caos)
So the solutions to your issue are:

- don't use the reverb plugins,
- find an alternative that uses less cpu or
- buy a faster computer.

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If your mac book is on battery, try to AC power it...

Uncheck Request sample rate, and Request block size...

Try to put the Reverbs on a send track... or try to change the preset, in the Reaverb plugin you can lower the FFT size then untick ZL and LL if it was on...

Use Reaper 32bits, with 32 bits plugins...

When rendering, does your sound is good ?

P.s : someone have the same problem : http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=89114

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So the solutions to your issue are:

- don't use the reverb plugins,
- find an alternative that uses less cpu or
- buy a faster computer.

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Yep. Or only use these reverbs after recording, as you can then increase buffer size and freeze/apply the FX during mix.
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