Old 06-05-2019, 12:16 PM   #201
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when you can use Thunderbolt PCI card with your PC?
I said "I have limited choice", not "I have no choice".
I could have a NUC and a monitor. or a HP ZBook 15, under 3 kg.

I used to build computers for myself in late 90s and stopped before 2010. yeah, I also have a 19" rack at home, but don't want to put computers in it, only studio equipment. I'd rather get an iMac of all these options.

I don't really have a PC (only a ThinkPad), but wake me up when PC world feels better about DPC latency and Thunderbolt, I'm afraid that I personally stay at Appleland with my DAW yet.
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Old 06-05-2019, 02:43 PM   #202
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До чого доводить iнтернет, три українця один з одним розмовляють англійською
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Old 06-05-2019, 03:58 PM   #204
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I must admit a little surprise at the new Mac Pro announcement.
Appears to be a real computer with actual M.2 SSD slots (2x), pci slots (8x), ram slots (12x - total 1.5TB), and ports (thunderbolt 3, USB-A, USB-C).

Right away though...
This T2 chip business. It sounds like the M.2 SSDs for example are going to be proprietary and NOT standard M.2! Everything will be geared towards preventing 3rd party repair. The marketing brochure calls this security. So... a weird machine both aimed at raw 4k & 8k video editing and CIA agent work simultaneously. Or something. Preventing 3rd party repair basically.

Heh. Cue conspiracy theory about the CIA editing fake news video in real time!

Don't know how the price will line up with whatever custom build you could put together and go Linux/Hackentosh with. But I have a guess...


At least on the surface this looks like the first pro computer configuration out of Apple since 2012 so that's something anyway.

Apparently that stand video is real? I thought it was some Onion-like business. Wow...
That's not a good look.

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Old 06-06-2019, 12:16 AM   #205
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Old 06-06-2019, 03:26 AM   #206
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The M2 IS security.

Compare it to what the TPM tried to do many years ago. An sich, it's certainly not a bad idea. It won't be long before thieves know that stealing a Mac is useless, as you can't resell them. Not even for parts, as Apple also has identifiable screens on MB Pro's these days.

The M2 and everything that surrounds it, also throws up a barrier for 3rd party repair and Hackintosh. You won't be able to run 10.15 on a Hackintosh. And pretty soon, you won't be able to use an existing Hackintosh with Apple's stores. The same will apply to upgrades...

It's not only Apple who's moving to "always connected". MS is considering forced background updates, I've been told. The same avenue. And some linux distro's do collect data too.

That leaves only BSD, I'm afraid.
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I must admit a little surprise at the new Mac Pro announcement.
Appears to be a real computer with actual M.2 SSD slots (2x), pci slots (8x), ram slots (12x - total 1.5TB), and ports (thunderbolt 3, USB-A, USB-C).

Right away though...
This T2 chip business. It sounds like the M.2 SSDs for example are going to be proprietary and NOT standard M.2! Everything will be geared towards preventing 3rd party repair. The marketing brochure calls this security. So... a weird machine both aimed at raw 4k & 8k video editing and CIA agent work simultaneously. Or something. Preventing 3rd party repair basically.

Heh. Cue conspiracy theory about the CIA editing fake news video in real time!

Don't know how the price will line up with whatever custom build you could put together and go Linux/Hackentosh with. But I have a guess...


At least on the surface this looks like the first pro computer configuration out of Apple since 2012 so that's something anyway.

Apparently that stand video is real? I thought it was some Onion-like business. Wow...
That's not a good look.
What's especially ironic is that Apple is trying to service the upper pro purchaser, which they don't have the same grip on anymore, as FCPX isn't the players used to be. Obviously, it still gets used, but if you're doing high end video work it's not as if you need to use a Mac, and that you need to buy a better Mac. I know a slew of news and airing episodic TV editors and these days none are using FCPX or Macs. The only people buying these will be people who need it to be a Mac, which ain't in 2019 what it was in 2004. And despite their extremely successful infiltration of Universities' arts departments in the late '90s, Apple's paid as much attention to them in the decades that followed as they did the non-educational arts pro and semi pro user, and that dominance simply doesn't exist there either anymore, and they can go in any direction they want without losing students.

It will make the corporate employee very happy when their company buys one or two, and the editor who is so busy it will pay for itself. And if $18,000 give or take a few grand, will pay for itself in short order in an audio room who runs OS X programs, then it's good for them. But anyone hoping for a rock solid $4,000 box (at the bottom of its line) that will kick their DAW work up a few notches was left out of this one.
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What's especially ironic is that Apple is trying to service the upper pro purchaser, which they don't have the same grip on anymore...
Not refreshing your pro line of machines for 7 years will do that!

People get nervous. Linux starts looking interesting.

Did that $18,000 come from Apple somewhere or is that a quip? If that's real, this reads more like an official farewell as a computer marker. In just a foot shooting off kind of embarrassing way too!

Well, we'll have to see. It's at least positive to see a sign that Apple might make a comeback if this turns out to be serious.
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Right away though...
This T2 chip business. It sounds like the M.2 SSDs for example are going to be proprietary and NOT standard M.2! Everything will be geared towards preventing 3rd party repair. The marketing brochure calls this security. So... a weird machine both aimed at raw 4k & 8k video editing and CIA agent work simultaneously. Or something. Preventing 3rd party repair basically.
There are three sides to the M2.

One is positive. Apple controls booting and disk encryption in the T2. It means that if the machine gets stolen, the thief can't get to your data and he can't wipe the disk and install another OS. Whatever OS, on whatever disk. Renders the machine completely useless.

The other one is negative. If the machine dies, chances of data recovery are next to nihil. Third party repair is impossible atm. Let's wait and see what the courts in Norway decide, for a start.

And the third one is neutral, to me. Apple is a bank. The T2 will also secure money transfers and logon. That's mostly a good thing, even if Apple has Goldman-Sachs as a partner.

EDIT. I think the M2 SSD's are standard. You can replace them, provided you can get them. But you'd still need to tell the T2 about them. And that's one thing we don't know, yet.
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