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Old 04-09-2015, 02:26 PM   #41
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To sum up this thread: Computers, regardless of make, are somewhat unreliable and costs money, and there might be a certain amount of luck involved

My problems are solved anyway. The E-MU is replaced with a Focusrite Scarlett 2i4, and I also use Asio4All. No way I could get down latency otherwise. No glitches, no interrupts...and sounds really good!
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Old 04-09-2015, 02:26 PM   #42
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As far as old hardware/programs are concerned, at least you have a fighting chance getting them to work in Windows. Apple just drops support for stuff and breaks other stuff as they stumble off into their own version of a future which apparently doesn't have any sensible choices for a desktop DAW.
As far as audio is concerned, that simply is false. Even the venerable emagic hardware still works. That's not even Apple hardware and the name vanished once Apple bought emagic, but all the hardware from 10 years ago is still operational.

It is true for cheap inkjets, for instance, but that is not Apple hardware, nor is it caused by Apple. It's just the printer manufacturers churning out new models in order to obsolete stuff from last year. Typical is Canon: older drivers still work, but if you follow the "interactive" Canon website, you won't find them and you will probably end buying a new printer.

What did cause a lot of older audio interfaces to fail, is the transition to 64 bit. But it's a comparable problem on any OS.

Most of the problems with audio interfaces can be attributed to Intel bugs. And those have hit Apple as hard as the rest...
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Old 04-09-2015, 03:03 PM   #43
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As far as audio is concerned, that simply is false. Even the venerable emagic hardware still works. That's not even Apple hardware and the name vanished once Apple bought emagic, but all the hardware from 10 years ago is still operational.

It is true for cheap inkjets, for instance, but that is not Apple hardware, nor is it caused by Apple. It's just the printer manufacturers churning out new models in order to obsolete stuff from last year. Typical is Canon: older drivers still work, but if you follow the "interactive" Canon website, you won't find them and you will probably end buying a new printer.

What did cause a lot of older audio interfaces to fail, is the transition to 64 bit. But it's a comparable problem on any OS.

Most of the problems with audio interfaces can be attributed to Intel bugs. And those have hit Apple as hard as the rest...
If you have a look at software change logs you'll see time after time developers fixing stuff that Apple broke in a new version of OSX. You can blame developers for not keeping up all you want but the fact is that they need to keep up or their stuff will stop working (properly (or installing at all)) on new versions of OSX.

The hardware side is tricky, I can still download old Canon drivers and software for Windows here (I checked that they were also unavailable for OSX) so Apple might have broken something and/or there's something in the licensing that would make Canon have to jump through hoops supporting old stuff that they don't have to on Windows. They'd just let you - their customer - download it otherwise, just like on Windows.. right? So I wouldn't be so quick to absolve Apple's business and/or coding practices from this if I were you.

I'm glad that the emagic/Apple hardware still works though.

Thanks for pointing this out though... so it's only all software and hardware that isn't owned by Apple that's at risk of being broken.
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Old 04-10-2015, 12:31 AM   #44
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If you have a look at software change logs you'll see time after time developers fixing stuff that Apple broke in a new version of OSX.
My personal logical consequence about Apple's current product politics is ... boycott it.

Why? Well, the list becomes longer and longer ... iOS 8, a pure disaster, OSX Yosemite causing major problems too ... NI products crashed and the incompatibility between Avid drivers and NI hardware is still unsolved ... it worked nicely in Maverick. And the list continues in the hardware sector ... how could they release new Mac Minis, that are weaker, than the former models? Why are Minis NOT available with quad core CPUs? And why should I buy a totally overpriced Macbook Pro, which I can't upgrade with RAM or a larger SSD, not to forget the battery, which can't be replaced.

No, Apple, for such prices I expect more ... much more, especially more than one year warranty ... that's a bad joke. In Germany two years warranty are a must, by law!

My Sony Vaio with i7 (first gen) still rocks with Windows 7 and it costed 1300€ at a time, where Macbooks weren't even available with an i7. And today I need to custom order a Macbook Pro, that suites my needs and it will cost me over 3000 bucks and can't be upgraded. No, thanks ... I'll wait 'til Windows 10 notebooks with the same power will be available for half the price and much better support ... and a non-glare display, that's much better suited for my second hobby: photography.

I tried to fall in love with a new Macbook Pro, but due to above reasons it was a complete fail.

If Apple continues these arrogant product politics, they will be bancrupt in less than 10 years.
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Old 04-10-2015, 04:36 AM   #45
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I didn't know that the SSD was proprietary! It's funny that Samsung supply it and the Mac has a 1 year warranty, yet you get a 10 year warranty on a Samsung 850 Pro SSD. Yes components and assembled components are different things, but because it's a "premium", closed system you'd expect better support. If they are confident that their hardware is top quality then you'd think they'd provide a warranty (not insurance) that reflects this?

Perhaps marketing image and reality are more disconnected than many would choose to believe?

Anyway I hope everything works out alright for OSX users, it would be pretty nasty if replacing a quad i7 Mac Mini with something of equal or better power required buying a Mac Pro.
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..., it would be pretty nasty if replacing a quad i7 Mac Mini with something of equal or better power required buying a Mac Pro.
Currently this is exactly the case, because the current Mac Mini generation is extremly less powerful, than a Mac Mini with i7 quad core from 2012, except when using single core only software.

For the same money of the Mac Mini top model I can build a Windows based Barebone PC, that puts the Mac Mini to shame, e.g. a Zotec with 16 GB RAM and 1TB SSD.

Is Apple searching for an excuse to stop their hardware lines or are they just plain stupid?

I get the impression, that after JS died, Apple started to go down the drain ... wouldn't be the first time.
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