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01-29-2020, 07:05 AM
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Just found out the you can freeze tracks on multiple levels!
Just a little Reaper appreciation post. I've been struggling with instablility for the last couple of months and have had a really hard time pinpointing the origin of the problem. Today it occurred to me that I never tried to freeze a track multiple times... I tried it and it just worked. It seems like I can freeze some plugins, add a few more, freeze again and still go back to the original chain by unfreezing again and again, an infinite amount of times
This is such a powerful tool not only for stability, but also to relieve clutter and mentally commit to your mixing moves. I probably wouldn't have had to buy a new PC had I just tested this out earlier. Well, my 3900x probably will speed up the freezing process, so I guess my new hardware wasn't a complete waste :P
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01-29-2020, 07:20 AM
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Interesting. Swhat is your procedure?
You insert a plugin, right-click, choose "freeze track" (I presume) and then which one do you pick? I see six options!
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01-29-2020, 08:28 AM
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Yeah,that is great. I use that a lot.
You choose the options you need, freeze and then can go on and add more FX and freeze again. Unfreezing takes you to the previous FX and so on.
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01-29-2020, 10:40 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Burnsjethro
Interesting. Swhat is your procedure?
You insert a plugin, right-click, choose "freeze track" (I presume) and then which one do you pick? I see six options!
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Yeah, I add plugins and then hit my prefered freezing option to save resources. You just decide whether you want to render or freeze the track. You select whichever suits your needs, so whether you want the rendered track to be mono, stereo or surround.
I think freezing is the most powerful feature for my use, which renders the track to a waveform with all the fxs applied to it. You can right click it and return all the fx by selecting un-freeze. If you add fx after freezing and hit unfreeze the new fx are applied to the original chain, so nothing is lost. You can freeze multiple times as is the subject of this post.
Render does the same except it creates a new track and mutes the original track so you have both tracks in the project.
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01-29-2020, 10:55 AM
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Along the same lines as the original, you can also right-click on an entry in the FX list for a track and select Freeze track -> Freeze track to mono, up to last selected FX. In addition to mono, there are options for stereo and multichannel.
This has been handy for me when passing projects among multiple people. If I have a VSTi on a track and just pass the project along, anybody that doesn't have that VSTi will get an error message on project load and the track won't play.
I could just freeze the entire track, but that would freeze all of the FX on that track. If I had added EQ, compression, or something else after the VSTi, that would all be included in the frozen version. If I want to allow others to manipulate those additional FX, I can just freeze as shown in the previous paragraph and only the VSTi will be frozen.
Note that it freezes everything up to and including the select FX, so anything before the VSTi would also be frozen. As it turns out, for my use that's fine. The VSTi is usually the first FX in the list. And when it isn't, it's generally preceded by something like a transposition plug-in or something else that contributes to the output of the VSTi, so including it in the frozen copy would make sense.
This isn't too different from what was stated in the OP, but it can be useful if you have all of the FX set up and you only want to freeze up through the VSTi.
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01-29-2020, 11:04 AM
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@TLS
Yes, I use this a lot too. I wish there was a script shortcut where you could freeze the first, two three or X plugins on a track without opening the fx window or if you needed to freeze VSTI on multiple tracks at once.
It's also worth mentioning that it's a good idea to do all editing before the freezing as any changes to waveform won't be kept if you need to unfreeze after editing the media items of a frozen track.
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01-29-2020, 11:14 AM
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I was just looking at Kenny's "Freezing Parts of an FX Chain in REAPER"
Two (no doubt) daft questions.
If I have Fxs 1,2,3,4 (starting from the top) and I wanted to freeze 4, I would need to move this to number 1's position in order to freeze "up to last selected fx, wouldn't I?" There is no way of doing this any other way?
Second daft question, how I do I know if an effect is mono or stereo?
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01-29-2020, 11:40 AM
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For question 1, in that case, if you only want to freeze #4, it would have to be at the top of the chain. I'm not aware of any way to freeze from the middle of the chain.
For question 2, you could look at the mixer panel for that track and see if it's showing as stereo or mono.
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01-29-2020, 11:51 AM
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Thanks a lot tls11823.
In the case of question number 2, I don't see anything to indicate stereo or mono. I have hovered over all the buttons (the tracks at the top on the left-hand side and the tracks on the bottom next to the Master track).
The Master track has one button under the "fx enabled button" that says, when I hover over it, "Output: stereo". Any more clues please?
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01-29-2020, 01:04 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Burnsjethro
I don't see anything to indicate stereo or mono.
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What I meant is to look at the meter bars in the mixer that show the current level of each track. If it's a single segment, it's mono. If it's two segments, it's stereo.
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01-29-2020, 01:06 PM
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Thank you so much.
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01-29-2020, 01:08 PM
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Happy to help.
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01-29-2020, 10:50 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Burnsjethro
Thanks a lot tls11823.
In the case of question number 2, I don't see anything to indicate stereo or mono. I have hovered over all the buttons (the tracks at the top on the left-hand side and the tracks on the bottom next to the Master track).
The Master track has one button under the "fx enabled button" that says, when I hover over it, "Output: stereo". Any more clues please?
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If you are unsure you can always hit stereo. Mono tracks will still be mono, but you might want to use the freeze option to monorize a stereo bass track for example.
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01-30-2020, 12:23 PM
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"If you are unsure you can always hit stereo. Mono tracks will still be mono, but you might want to use the freeze option to monorize a stereo bass track for example. "
Thanks a lot for your suggestion. You mean choose the freeze to stereo option?
Why would anyone want to turn a stereo bass track into a mono one?
If I were to choose the wrong option would I be able to salvage my original setting?
In what circumstance (s) would you freeze to multinchannel?
And what do the "up to the last none-offline" options apply to?
Sorry for the barrage of questions
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01-30-2020, 12:58 PM
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Instead of freezing, I use subprojects to relieve the CPU/memory stress. It works really well, but has the downside of not being able to hear the combined output while editing.
I suppose you could have subprojects within subprojects as well.
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01-30-2020, 01:41 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Burnsjethro
In what circumstance (s) would you freeze to multinchannel?
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For example when using sidechain compression or gate at the end of plugin chain. You can freeze plugins up to the last plugin before the compressor or gate using multichannel freeze. Then you can still adjust the compressor or gate after freezing because main input and sidechain input are freezed to separate channels.
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01-31-2020, 03:57 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Burnsjethro
"If you are unsure you can always hit stereo. Mono tracks will still be mono, but you might want to use the freeze option to monorize a stereo bass track for example. "
Thanks a lot for your suggestion. You mean choose the freeze to stereo option?
Why would anyone want to turn a stereo bass track into a mono one?
If I were to choose the wrong option would I be able to salvage my original setting?
In what circumstance (s) would you freeze to multinchannel?
And what do the "up to the last none-offline" options apply to?
Sorry for the barrage of questions
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1. Yes. If you stereo freeze a mono track it will still be mono. If you mono freeze a stereo track it will be converted to mono.
2. It's generally not a good idea to have the bass too wide. It gets unfocused and messy, but you might have a synth with a lot stereo width or a bass recorded in stereo, that you want to collapse to mono to make it sit better in the mix. There are many ways of doing this - freezing is just one.
3. Yes, just go into the freeze menu and select unfreeze. Or if you rendered a new track. Delete it and unmute the origian track.
4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXBMho1wpEU
5. Don't know.
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01-31-2020, 03:58 AM
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Thanks a milliion Tiggerdyret
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02-02-2020, 09:00 AM
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Mordi, re your subprojects. I was looking at Kenny's video on this subject. It seems a bit complicated at first glance. What is your modus operandi?
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02-06-2020, 07:11 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Burnsjethro
If I have Fxs 1,2,3,4 (starting from the top) and I wanted to freeze 4, I would need to move this to number 1's position in order to freeze "up to last selected fx, wouldn't I?" There is no way of doing this any other way?
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If you think this out, adding an option to do it in the middle or at the end defies the laws of physics.
And keep in mind that moving an effect to different positions can effect the sound. Especially with dynamic plugins.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Burnsjethro
Second daft question, how I do I know if an effect is mono or stereo?
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Try both ways and see if you hear the difference?
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