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Old 09-29-2022, 02:01 PM   #41
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what about

1,0594630943592952645618252949463

and

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That would be unambiguous.
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Old 09-30-2022, 12:46 PM   #42
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The term "whole" is redundant in this sense though. "Tone" is all that's needed since the fact that it's "whole" is implied. If the interval is less than a tone, then the word "tone" will be prepended, i.e. "quartertone" or "semitone" - or even "half-tone" if you really must! Conversely, an interval wider than one tone automatically acquires a different intervallic name anyway (such as minor third, major third, etc.).
This is absolutely not the case in American English and will very much confuse American musicians. Tone alone means pitch, and whole tone is a specific interval, so such usage would 100% come off ambiguous to American musicians.
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Old 09-30-2022, 12:50 PM   #43
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This is absolutely not the case in American English and will very much confuse American musicians. Tone alone means pitch, and whole tone is a specific interval, so such usage would 100% come off ambiguous to American musicians.
Yes, *claps*. Also "half-tone" in US English more commonly refers to a photographic printing technique and not to a musical interval. Which is why "semitone" or "half-step" is preferable.
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Old 09-30-2022, 03:22 PM   #44
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This is absolutely not the case in American English and will very much confuse American musicians. Tone alone means pitch, and whole tone is a specific interval, so such usage would 100% come off ambiguous to American musicians.
Just for clarification as a lot of inaccuracies have been posted in this thread, here is the answer direct from the bible, Gardner Read's Music Notation: A Manual of Modern Practice. It's whole step trill/half step trill, not tone.





Also, just FYI, WT/HT is NOT an abbreviation for whole/half tone trill. It is an abbreviation for Whole trill/Half trill.

So, the correct terminology is whole step/half step trill. If you use something else, just understand you would be going against the bible as Gardner Read and Kurt Stone (for 20th century techniques) are THE references for music notation.
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Just for clarification as a lot of inaccuracies have been posted in this thread, here is the answer direct from the bible, Gardner Read's Music Notation: A Manual of Modern Practice. It's whole step trill/half step trill, not tone.

Also, just FYI, WT/HT is NOT an abbreviation for whole/half tone trill. It is an abbreviation for Whole trill/Half trill.

So, the correct terminology is whole step/half step trill. If you use something else, just understand you would be going against the bible as Gardner Read and Kurt Stone (for 20th century techniques) are THE references for music notation.
Thank you Klangfarben. Actually I do read this out of my Harmony Books by William Toutant as well, I used in Conservatory when I studied Harmony, Counterpoint and composition. Although not being a Native, reading this post, I doubted there were other ways in English. But you confirm what I studied.

Thank you very much.
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Old 10-01-2022, 01:50 AM   #46
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Shouldn't this trill business have its own thread - please?
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Shouldn't this trill business have its own thread - please?
This is apparently what happens when we don't get new +dev versions to play with.
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Old 10-01-2022, 12:10 PM   #48
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I definitely like the idea of the new parent send feature, but the implementation confuses me.

Often, I would like to send a stereo pair other than 1-2 to the parent – but this UX doesn't allow that.

I assumed that selecting "stereo" in the left dropdown would update the channels (right) dropdown to include all the possible stereo pairs (i.e. in 6 channels you would get 1-2, 2-3, 3-4, 4-5, and 5-6), just like choosing send channels – but it's stuck on 1-2.

I consider it acceptable to enable only groups of consecutive channels (not just any single channels) to go to parent, so probably it's just a matter of having the number of channels dropdown update the channel selection dropdown options, which are stuck at "1-2" currently. That seems like a bug, otherwise what's the point of this "1-2" dropdown?
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Old 10-01-2022, 12:19 PM   #49
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...So, the correct terminology is whole step/half step trill. If you use something else, just understand you would be going against the bible as Gardner Read and Kurt Stone (for 20th century techniques) are THE references for music notation.
In that case, Elaine Gould's "Behind Bars", would seem to be doing exactly that when she writes this (on page 134):



Bear in mind that "Behind Bars" is the more recent publication of the two and is generally viewed these days as having superseded the Gardner Read book as the current "bible" in terms of being a definitive guide to music notation. It also seems to be an important (if not the main) reference for REAPER's notation.

Also, "Behind Bars" is often referred to on the MuseScore forums and at least one Musescore developer refers to it as "The standard modern reference". I'd be very surprised if it were not a main reference for other music notation software developers too.
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Old 10-01-2022, 05:10 PM   #50
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You know, this is why I really dislike posting on the forum here or pretty much anywhere on the internet. Because of the complete speculation cited as "evidence". If you had just referenced Gould and pointed out the disagreement between Read I would honestly have been totally fine with your post. But then the rest of your post is pure speculation based on... what? What "at least one" Musescore developer thinks? (also not sure why you are trying to imply it *might* be more than one when you actually have no idea...) Why don't we just get Donald Trump in here to tell us that "a lot of people say it's the best".

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Bear in mind that "Behind Bars" is the more recent publication of the two and is generally viewed these days as having superseded the Gardner Read book as the current "bible" in terms of being a definitive guide to music notation.
And your evidence for this is...? Because it's more recent?? There is a reason Read and Stone are in every music conservatory library across the world. Because they are a reference standard. There's lots of "recent" books on notation, and maybe after they've been around for a few decades one of them will also become a reference standard. Saying people on an internet forum "often referred" to it doesn't make it so.

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I'd be very surprised if it were not a main reference for other music notation software developers too.
Goodness, really? You do realize the book has been in print since 2011 right? The main development of both Finale and Sibelius was done LONG before this book ever came out. And again, this is COMPLETE speculation on your part. Why even bother posting this? Because you want to artificially create the impression that Gould completely supersedes Read, case closed? If that is your contention, then cite evidence for it. Saying it is "often referred to" on an internet forum is not helping your argument.

Sorry for trying to provide some clarification on this. I'll bow out now and let everyone try and decide which source on which interwebz forums is more accurate, including "this guy I heard from who is supposedly a total pro according to my friend". "I'd be very surprised"™ if we don't get a solid answer from him.
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Old 10-02-2022, 02:51 AM   #51
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[*] * Includes feature branch: media item fixed lanes
when is this feature will be added to official release?

there is a script made by sexan that can do swipe comping, that script uses this feature
it can't be used on official release
that thread was created 7 months ago

I know things might take a long time, but 7 months? come on.
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Old 10-02-2022, 04:54 AM   #52
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when is this feature will be added to official release?
Rather pointless question. As it is a "feature branch" it obviously is under test and due to optimization. It is utmost impossible to estimate the time a software verification and optimization might take. Usually the longer the higher quality is targeted.
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when is this feature will be added to official release?

there is a script made by sexan that can do swipe comping, that script uses this feature
it can't be used on official release
that thread was created 7 months ago

I know things might take a long time, but 7 months? come on.
I do agree with MSCHNELL ... and mre over: there are things in that feature are temporarily disabled because the grouping they are working into, created some issue. I do think that when this is solved, they will continue to reactivate that stuff and they il successfully complete the feature.

I can't wait for it as well, but I "bite my lips" and wait for it.
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Old 10-02-2022, 08:02 PM   #54
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Ha I check these threads religiously. Don’t know dick about developing software but am always just looking for the update on quick swipe comping in Reaper.
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Old 10-03-2022, 12:52 AM   #55
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when is this feature will be added to official release?

there is a script made by sexan that can do swipe comping, that script uses this feature
it can't be used on official release
that thread was created 7 months ago

I know things might take a long time, but 7 months? come on.
You should read notes on the top of pre-release builds site:

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the next release (and may not end up in any release, ever)
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The term "whole" is redundant in this sense though. "Tone" is all that's needed since the fact that it's "whole" is implied. If the interval is less than a tone, then the word "tone" will be prepended, i.e. "quartertone" or "semitone" - or even "half-tone" if you really must! Conversely, an interval wider than one tone automatically acquires a different intervallic name anyway (such as minor third, major third, etc.).

Of course, we could use similar intervallic names for tone and semitone but the terms "tone" and semitone" are useful in that they don't require any harmonic context (unlike, for example, major second/diminished third or minor second/augmented unison)
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