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Old 04-14-2012, 05:14 AM   #1
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Hi all,

I am a VO guy of 25 years- but brand new to Reaper and probably donīt have the technical expertise to pull this off on my own- at least not without some severe headaches. I am in critical need of your expertise and assistance. I have a colleague who has an awesome sound who uses Waves as his EQ. Granted, he has some equipment that is different than mine- but I want that sound or as close to it as possible (if possible). I was encouraged by Reaper support to issue this challenge: Is it possible using Reaper plug-ins only to duplicate as closely as possible his sound? (no I do not know what plug-ins he uses within Waves). There are comparative files attached to this thread for you to use in this quest. The file "What I have" is my raw out of the mic audio with no EQ, no compression and no sweetening. The "What I want" is his audio using Waves EQ and his compression which was designed by a pro audio guy. Any help whatsoever will be greatly appreciated! If you are able to pull it off, please let me know which Reaper plug-in (s) you used and what their settings should be. I do VO work daily, but just cannot seem to find that "sweet spot" and with me being brand new to Reaper- I get a bit overwhelmed by all that is available. Help me Obi Wan- YOUīRE MY ONLY HOPE!

UPDATE*********************************4 / 17

OK guys,

I think I mentioned that I am brand new to Reaper- I am probably doing something or many things wrong. But- the only file that loaded properly was Renoīs- the rest are missing files and they are offline in Reaper. I am sure it sounds like a newbie stupid thing- but you know what? I am a newbie and stupid when it comes to Reaper. So, I am going to the soundbooth now to record a piece of audio where I do not move and treat it just like one of my client sessions. If any care to give another go at it and upload "all" the files so that I can double click on the Reaper session file and go with it- it will be greatly appreciated. Many thanks!

*********************UPDATE 2 4-17 Tuesday******************************************* *****************************

OK, Here is a revised version of "What I Have" that I just did. I also need to tell you that- the original What I Have was not recorded in Reaper but a version of Adobe Audition. I have noticed a significant difference in the raw recording between them. This one was recorded in Reaper and no efx, eq, compression was added. I know everybody is doing this on their own time and I cannot express my gratitude enough. Maybe this will be a better file to edit since it is more in line with how I position myself etc. The only thing I did to this was normalize to -1. This style of read is similar to the style I am asked to perform quite often and will be a better source for your processing.

**************************update after listening******************************* 4-17 Tuesday***********************

(Please see my previous post for a new file actually recorded in Reaper)

Once again- thanks to everyone who took part in this little experiment.

All were good in their own right. But, Ollie and Tod were getting close to what I was looking for and Tod even more so because there was a bit more high end and clarity. I think all of these are a bit over compressed though. There are times when I need that "punch" like for some video games or movie trailer that I do. If you will notice in my colleagues audio- it has that "big" sound- but doesnīt sound like it is in a vice-grip. Tod, is there any way to bring this about- a bit more clarity, yet keep that big presence? I have placed the revised audio in the track where you chain resides and it is very nice- but a bit too much compression and a bit too "boomy". I understand if you guys are all getting tired of me- but any additional help would be great. We are getting very close.

I dont know if you all saw my post where I said I am happy to offer some free voice-work for the person who finds the sweet spot for me. Maybe you need a trailer or something for a club mix of some sort. Give a listen to what I might can do for you here: http://www.voices.com/demos/montylewis and let me know if any tweaking can be done on this Tod. Thanks! BTW- I was able to adjust one of Tods efx a bit and brought down the rumble a bit. Gettin there :-) I just brought down the freq between 88.8 and 100 on the Rea EQ and itīs even better.

BTW- how do I get rid of the popping on playback?

Just checked this out in my sound booth and did a sample read based on the Tod fx chain- (which I believe was initially created by Jonny and tweaked by Tod?) and I gotta say- WOW! What a freaking change! And what is interesting to me is that I hear absolutely NO room noise whatsoever. Obviously that is one of these plug-ins hard at work. How did that happen? Which one is it? I am absolutely stoked and damn happy right now!
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Ill take a look at it today.
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Thanks Jonny! Greatly appreciated!
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This is interesting to me. Will you post the resulting fx chain?
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Hey there,

I couldn't match the voice... well.. because its a different voice... and Your friend kinda sounds like a robot.. ha

Your vocal talent seems more "movie" like.

Anyways, Here is a DropBox link to the session an file.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/s9waammfu...8GCuv21/VO.zip

Not sure iits what you are looking for... but to me it sounds more like what I'd expect from a voice over.
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Hey there,

I couldn't match the voice... well.. because its a different voice... and Your friend kinda sounds like a robot.. ha

Your vocal talent seems more "movie" like.

Anyways, Here is a DropBox link to the session an file.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/s9waammfu...8GCuv21/VO.zip

Not sure iits what you are looking for... but to me it sounds more like what I'd expect from a voice over.
AWESOME JONNY! Ha- yeah I guess I do sound like that and he does a little
:-P I will DEFINITELY take a look at this. Were you able to make me some notes on what plug-ins were used and their settings?
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Hey there,

I couldn't match the voice... well.. because its a different voice... and Your friend kinda sounds like a robot.. ha

Your vocal talent seems more "movie" like.

Anyways, Here is a DropBox link to the session an file.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/s9waammfu...8GCuv21/VO.zip

Not sure iits what you are looking for... but to me it sounds more like what I'd expect from a voice over.
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Hey there,

I couldn't match the voice... well.. because its a different voice... and Your friend kinda sounds like a robot.. ha

Your vocal talent seems more "movie" like.

Anyways, Here is a DropBox link to the session an file.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/s9waammfu...8GCuv21/VO.zip

Not sure iits what you are looking for... but to me it sounds more like what I'd expect from a voice over.
Great job! Now to figure out how...
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Ill take a look at it today.
I wanted to thank you again Jonny for getting this started. Tod built his chain by using yours as the foundation right? Really- thanks a lot because the sound is getting better all the time. I think with a few tweaks here and there- we might hit a home run with this one. I am tweaking the fx a bit in Todīs addition to what you made. Just trying to get it a bit less compressed sounding and more natural but trying also to maintain the big presence- yet not over the top. Slicing hairs now :-)
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Wow- I didnīt get any emails telling me about all these posts! I have some serious listening to do. Jonny, I appreciate your attempt at this. But, that type of sound may work for say a club or a mix in a pop-album. But for VO work like for corporations and broadcast production- it has way to much low end. Sounds cool- but not what I need in my line of work. My friendīs delivery may sound robotic- but his eq, compression and such is spot on for what I need. I will listen to the other files that have been submitted and get back to you all. Again- to everyone- thanks a mill! I really appreciate this!

Also, if any would like to hear the sound I have been creating in the past- my demos are available here among some other websites: http://www.voices.com/demos/montylewis

Most applications require a standard system of eq, compressione tc. There are a few however, that might require some specialty efx such as Graphic EQ, Distortion etc. But for the most part- I am looking for that sweet sound that will pretty much fit into anything I do.

Also, if I end up using someoneīs fx chain- I will be glad to give you a reasonable amount of free voice-over should you need it (no audiobook or full length documentary please :-). Maybe a Movie Trailer type thing or something. Just depends on what you need. I am pretty versatile as you will see in my demos. If I can do it, I will of course be happy to give it for your effort.

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Hi Falcon, I did put all of them together yesterday but didn't get around to posting it. Just direct this Reaper file to your audio and it should work. Thought it might help.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/63198126/03%...20in%20one.RPP
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Hi Falcon, I did put all of them together yesterday but didn't get around to posting it. Just direct this Reaper file to your audio and it should work. Thought it might help.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/63198126/03%...20in%20one.RPP
Thanks Tod! Boy, I have an exciting day tomorrow checking all this out. I will post when I have thoroughly checked the files. I really appreciate this.
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Hi Falcon, I did put all of them together yesterday but didn't get around to posting it. Just direct this Reaper file to your audio and it should work. Thought it might help.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/63198126/03%...20in%20one.RPP
Hi Tod- Well I think you have almost got it. I took your chain and tweaked the compression a bit so it wasnīt so boomy- but I am having another problem. Not sure what fx you used but it seems like the first part of some words are slightly cut off. Like the first consonant. Could that be the compression? Any ideas how to fix? Also, I am getting pops and cracks on playback. Tried to do what Jonny did when that happened and the pops still exist.

BTW- the consonants that get cut off most times are H, S and any other word with a soft letter. Like the word "heard" becomes "_eard". Please tell me where I can adjust this. Thanks

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That may be the gate I wager. Tod's gate range is 100%,i.e. no dry signal added back in. I did need to adjust one or two spots with the item volume automation so the gate still catches them as well. You'll want to experiment with that gate, because it has a variable look-ahead. Don't automate it though. It has a direct impact on the latency compensation the audio engine performs.


You wanted softer compression, here's a 2:1 softknee with partial attack(it starts a couple of milliseconds before the actual threshold trigger). Slightly stronger boost on the fundamental of the voice, and highend cut to match the original a little more.

http://shup.com/shup!/549815/VO-Airon-3.zip
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That may be the gate I wager. Tod's gate range is 100%,i.e. no dry signal added back in. I did need to adjust one or two spots with the item volume automation so the gate still catches them as well. You'll want to experiment with that gate, because it has a variable look-ahead. Don't automate it though. It has a direct impact on the latency compensation the audio engine performs.


You wanted softer compression, here's a 2:1 softknee with partial attack(it starts a couple of milliseconds before the actual threshold trigger). Slightly stronger boost on the fundamental of the voice, and highend cut to match the original a little more.

http://shup.com/shup!/549815/VO-Airon-3.zip
I appreciate this Airon. But, I find though it becomes a bit muffled and looses its clarity. I tried to bring a little dry in- and even though it corrects the problem of cutting off soft letters, it starts to splatter and just doesnīt sound as clear when dry is out completely. Guess I will fiddle with it some more.

Now- when I click "preview filter output" it does correct the problem. Sorry, I am getting a bit lost with all this technical stuff now- but what does that actually mean in layman terms? I am re-posting comments as I figure things out. I see by doing that (clicking preview filter output) that there is no longer that nice silence in between statements but the letters are not cut off. There used to be a way to fix this in some other programs I worked with by decibels. Anything over or under a certain amount was either kept or discarded depending on the user settings.

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Hi Tod- Well I think you have almost got it. I took your chain and tweaked the compression a bit so it wasnīt so boomy- but I am having another problem. Not sure what fx you used but it seems like the first part of some words are slightly cut off. Like the first consonant. Could that be the compression? Any ideas how to fix? Also, I am getting pops and cracks on playback. Tried to do what Jonny did when that happened and the pops still exist.

BTW- the consonants that get cut off most times are H, S and any other word with a soft letter. Like the word "heard" becomes "_eard". Please tell me where I can adjust this. Thanks
Hi Falcon, airon's right, it would have to be the gate. I used the same gate that Jonny used and thought it sounded pretty good so I left it. Heh heh, I was so intent on the sound of your voice but I should have paid closer attention to it.
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Well I must say- that is has taken me many years to come to the point where I am very satisfied with the sound I have. I wanted to say thank you to ALL of you who helped me on this project. The verdict? Jonny, Tod and Airon with their combined efforts came up with the sound that is nothing short of kick ass. Really, I am absolutely stoked now and have this huge smile on my face (although- I look like the kid who got away with stealing a pack of cigs from his momīs purse ;-)

I want to also thank marerecords, Ollie, Reaperto, and Reno.thestraws for your awesome help. I was able to see how you were able to create some things that really helped me to learn about Reaper and how some of these plug-ins functioned!

After careful consideration, I am using a combination of fx chains that were originally created by Jonny, then refined to my liking (and what my industry expects) via Tod and Airon.

Additional thanks to Reaper / Cockos support for their encouragement and suggestion of going to you all for help on this. If Cockos hadnīt given me ample time to investigate Reaper and all itīs attributes- I probably wouldnīt be here. I will be telling my colleagues about Reaper, and the wonderful people involved with it.

For those two chains- see the attachment. Awesome work guys! Now I can concentrate on my craft and not be embarrassed by the sound that I produce.

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HI all,

Once again- your efforts are greatly appreciated. Since a few of you are saying the same thing about my proximity changing- should I post a new raw file where I do not move? Normally I do this- but this was just an experiment and didnīt really get into my VO guy mode when recording as I normally do for clients. Let me know.
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Hi all,

I am just posting any updates I have on my very 1st post that started the thread. Itīs easier to keep track that way. Please check there to see where I am with this. (or how lost I am :-) I am messing with Todīs fx but only with the Rea EQ and #1. I am just trying to get a bit brighter and a bit less compressed sound out of it. The more natural yet with a nice presence is what I am looking for. But itīs gettin damn close. I also have decided to give back a bit to all of you for your time and effort. So, if you need a little audio for some project you are doing- please let me know. Again, refer to my demos to see if there is anything you might need now or in the future.

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OK guys,

I think I mentioned that I am brand new to Reaper- I am probably doing something or many things wrong. But- the only file that loaded properly was Renoīs- the rest are missing files and they are offline in Reaper. I am sure it sounds like a newbie stupid thing- but you know what? I am a newbie and stupid when it comes to Reaper. So, I am going to the soundbooth now to record a piece of audio where I do not move and treat it just like one of my client sessions. If any care to give another go at it and upload "all" the files so that I can double click on the Reaper session file and go with it- it will be greatly appreciated. Many thanks!
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They are offline because the RPP files of the others use the MP3 files you've provided (what i want.mp3 and what i have.mp3)
So just put those MP3-files in a directory of your choice and tell Reaper where they are.
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I think I mentioned that I am brand new to Reaper- I am probably doing something or many things wrong. But- the only file that loaded properly was Renoīs- the rest are missing files and they are offline in Reaper. I am sure it sounds like a newbie stupid thing- but you know what? I am a newbie and stupid when it comes to Reaper. So, I am going to the soundbooth now to record a piece of audio where I do not move and treat it just like one of my client sessions. If any care to give another go at it and upload "all" the files so that I can double click on the Reaper session file and go with it- it will be greatly appreciated. Many thanks!
open one of the rpp that don't contain your files

select your original mp3 file on your computer and drag it into reaper (full left of arrangement)
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open one of the rpp that don't contain your files

select your original mp3 file on your computer and drag it into reaper (full left of arrangement)

And he says to himself Duh- Ugh that should have been obvious to me. Trying to get used to this program- Thanks Reno ;-)
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Hi again all,

I am trying very hard to get a very broad, expanded and wide effect on my voice-overs now. I have heard a few of my colleagues demos with this effect- and WOW- I would like to do the same. I havenīt found plug-in in Reaper that does the trick. You can hear the type of effect here one a colleagues demo: http://mrvo.com/VRVOs/BasicAnncrVO.mp3

So, here is the scoop. Is there an effect in Reaper that can do this? If not- do you recommend one that does? I am currently looking at Nugen Stereoizer- but it does not show up in the Reaper. Sorry, but I am not a tech guy- just an voice guy and I donīt even know how to install new plug-ins in Reaper- ho would I do that? Lots of questions... so here they are again...

1) Is there an effect in Reaper that can do this? http://mrvo.com/VRVOs/BasicAnncrVO.mp3

2) If not, do you recommend one that will work with Reaper? And if so, how do I install it?

3) Generally, how do I install new plug-in in Reaper anyway?

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Hi Falcon,

I'm on my wife's computer with some cheap comp speakers so I couldn't hear very well.

Aside from the regular EQ and compression it sounded like it had a little bit of short reverb on it like a convo-verb with a pretty short impulse.

To get 3rd party FX into Reaper you need to put them in a VST folder and then scan for them. To give you an idea this is how I did it on my old XP computer.

First I created a sub-folder in C:/Program Files called VST (C:/Program Files/VST). Then when ever I download or acquire FX I make sure the DLL files for those FX go in this VST folder (All VST FX have DLL extensions).

I might add to better organize this VST folder I also have other sub-folders in it. Like Amp Simulators, EQ, Compressors, Convo-Verbs, Reverbs, Chorus Plugs, etc.. Things like this can be changed later but if you do change them then they will have to be re-scanned.

Then in Reaper's Menu go to Options>Preferences>Plug-ins>VST. At the top of the Pref window click on Add.. and browse to that VST folder, select it and click on OK. Then click on Re-scan and you should be ready to go.
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Thanks Tod- I appreciate the info. Yeah, it is better to hear the link and example on a decent speaker system. I mean this guys processing is balls to the wall awesome. He told me he doesnīt do much processing (he has to do something) I was born at night- but not last night. Itīs got some kind of expanded stereo field effect or widener or something on it. Just plain sweet. The plug in install info is great. I will attempt that.
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Thanks Tod- I appreciate the info. Yeah, it is better to hear the link and example on a decent speaker system. I mean this guys processing is balls to the wall awesome. He told me he doesnīt do much processing (he has to do something) I was born at night- but not last night. Itīs got some kind of expanded stereo field effect or widener or something on it.
I finally had a chance to turn it up so I could hear it better and it don't hear any reverb like I thought. Yes it sounds like the guy's got a pretty ballsy voice with lots of presence.

Maybe if you could record just the first part about the cell phones with your own voice and post it. 44.1 at 16-bit would be good. Maybe I or someone else could come up with something.
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Here are my demos- there are some pretty ballsy things I do too! ;-) Your can either choose Commercial demo #1 or Movie Trailer #2- that should give you something to work with. I have just given download permission on both those two- so you should be able to grab it. Thanks Tod! and anyone else who wants to jump into this :-)
http://soundcloud.com/montysvoice And if you need something from me in stereo (which you probably do to create this I am guessing, or just double the track and pan L/R- anyway, let me know.

For the benefit of others who are stumbling across this thread...

Again the "sound I want" is here: http://mrvo.com/VRVOs/BasicAnncrVO.mp3

The "sound I have" is here: http://soundcloud.com/montysvoice

Can it be done with Reaper?

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