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Old 05-06-2011, 05:43 AM   #81
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Hehe. Time to relax.

I've been posting no big FRs for a long time now. Too much already in the pipeline.

The noise about the white stuff, the parts of the UI undiscovered by WALTER or the Little Theme Box, will emphasize the problem though. Making ruckus about a genuine visual problem is good, because it is a visual problem, and hardly much of a feature request because it just makes looking at Reaper easier, and probably not faster .

Hunt da bugs folks. It's the only way we'll get there faster at this time.
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Old 05-06-2011, 05:56 AM   #82
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Old 05-06-2011, 07:26 AM   #83
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Exactly the kind of browser I find so painful to use . No joke, I really do. Others like them, I can live with that, but it's just how I feel about them.
I do like the alternating color per line in that browser, though and the idea to have presets in the FX browser as well.

Really, if it's optional, I don't mind you people having a vertical docked browser, why would I? But myself I don't want it. That's all.
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if the developers can make an option of docking, fine. But leave the big window for those who like it! Both have their advantages.

As far as white backgrounds go, aren't they 'system default' or something like that? Which means you can change the color although it will be system-wide.
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Old 05-06-2011, 07:39 AM   #84
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As far as white backgrounds go, aren't they 'system default' or something like that? Which means you can change the color although it will be system-wide.
If they could change the background of Item Properties window, they can do the same for all other "system default" windows. EOD.
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Old 05-06-2011, 07:51 AM   #85
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If they could change the background of Item Properties window, they can do the same for all other "system default" windows. EOD.
They can but it's not what I had in mind. Anyone can, just go to Control Panel - Display - Appearance and pick whatever suits you best. This will affect all applications but it's better than nothing.
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Old 05-06-2011, 08:28 AM   #86
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Yeah, but most don't want it to influence all other applications.
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Old 05-06-2011, 08:30 AM   #87
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Yeah, and us OSX-ers can't do that
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Old 05-06-2011, 08:44 AM   #88
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If the random "+" lists excite people then this one will cause dancing in the streets.

Reaper 4.001cs2 Beta June 1, 2011. "Drag Queen"

+ Drag in FX to any insert slot position directly.
+ Drag FX or VI to arrange space or mixer for new track with FX.
+ Drop any FX or VI on any other FX or VI to replace it.
+ Directly drag a FX chain in the mixer to duplicate.
+ Drag FX from any slot to save the preset.
+ Drag a FX chain to the FX Browser to save the chain.
+ Drag a track to the docker to make a track preset.
+ Drag FX to the mixer to create a "return bus" with hidden TCP track and receives from selected tracks.
+ Drag selected midi to docker to make a midi file.
+ Drag selected range to docker to export consolidations.
+ Drag a knob from a FX GUI to create an automation envelope.
+ Drag midi data from the key editor to arrange to create a new clip with that data.
+ Preview and drag in individual tracks from midi files.
+ Preview and drag in individual REX slices.
+ Drag actions from the "Recent Actions" list directly to a toolbar button to create a macro.
+ Drag / drop media to another song tab to copy/paste with same position placement in song B.
+ Drag in FX, instruments or individual midi or audio clips from closed songs.
+ Drag a TCP or MCP panel out of arrange or mixer areas to hide the track or mixer channel.
+ CTL and drag any menu item to any other menu position.
+ Don't color any of it white.
++ Enjoy orgasm.

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Old 05-06-2011, 09:04 AM   #89
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"Drag Queen".






About the best release title that kind of version could have. I LOL'd real hard.
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Old 05-06-2011, 12:37 PM   #90
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I wouldn't be surprised if the devs are anxious to get v4 out the door after a prolonged alpha cycle, but in my opinion this is exactly the type of thing the beta cycle is for.

I love new features in every update as much as the next guy, but fixing some long-standing bugs and nit-picks like this that have been around for years is something I could easily get excited about.

Bring on the beta cycle!
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Old 05-06-2011, 01:25 PM   #91
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+ Drag selected midi to docker to make a midi file.
+ Drag a knob from a FX GUI to create an automation envelope.
+ Preview and drag in individual tracks from midi files.
+ Preview and drag in individual REX slices.
+ Drag in FX, instruments or individual midi or audio clips from closed songs.
I like them all but especially these.
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Old 05-06-2011, 01:42 PM   #92
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[IMG]http://img295.**************/img295/9007/fxbrowse.png[/IMG]
please don't post this image anymore. it's like getting a call from your dream girl to meet you for coffee but she never shows up...
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Old 05-06-2011, 02:14 PM   #93
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+1 to get rid of the white, the S1 screen shots look nice, much more pleasant on the eye.
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Old 05-06-2011, 07:40 PM   #94
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anything else other than the eye hurting white would suit me.

i'dd like to get something like this :


Like the op, I would appreciate the admins to give their take on the subject.
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Old 05-06-2011, 08:42 PM   #95
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anything else other than the eye hurting white would suit me.

i'dd like to get something like this :


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I was just using poise and thought the same thing.
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Old 05-06-2011, 11:56 PM   #96
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Iz all about teh opshins!!




At teh momentz, iz too brite...

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Old 05-07-2011, 12:39 AM   #97
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If the random "+" lists excite people then this one will cause dancing in the streets.

Reaper 4.001cs2 Beta June 1, 2011. "Drag Queen"

+ Drag in FX to any insert slot position directly.
+ Drag FX or VI to arrange space or mixer for new track with FX.
+ Drop any FX or VI on any other FX or VI to replace it.
+ Directly drag a FX chain in the mixer to duplicate.
+ Drag FX from any slot to save the preset.
+ Drag a FX chain to the FX Browser to save the chain.
+ Drag a track to the docker to make a track preset.
+ Drag FX to the mixer to create a "return bus" with hidden TCP track and receives from selected tracks.
+ Drag selected midi to docker to make a midi file.
+ Drag selected range to docker to export consolidations.
+ Drag a knob from a FX GUI to create an automation envelope.
+ Drag midi data from the key editor to arrange to create a new clip with that data.
+ Preview and drag in individual tracks from midi files.
+ Preview and drag in individual REX slices.
+ Drag actions from the "Recent Actions" list directly to a toolbar button to create a macro.
+ Drag / drop media to another song tab to copy/paste with same position placement in song B.
+ Drag in FX, instruments or individual midi or audio clips from closed songs.
+ Drag a TCP or MCP panel out of arrange or mixer areas to hide the track or mixer channel.
+ CTL and drag any menu item to any other menu position.
+ Don't color any of it white.
++ Enjoy orgasm.
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Old 05-07-2011, 12:56 AM   #98
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Now, THIS would be a good start... Notice the similarity to colors used in item properties, which is docked on the right side.

[IMG]http://img101.**************/img101/2550/fxbrowsercolors.th.png[/IMG]


After this is done, bring it down to one column and that's about it! Perfect for docking.


Notice that I removed the tab itself. Currently we CANNOT do that when we dock the FX browser. WHY?
This really looks very good. Maybe Cockos is doing this as a kind of a final-release-surprise.
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Old 05-07-2011, 06:21 AM   #99
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But as always, opinions are going to vary and I am going to keep posting about white B/G as a positive thing as long as you keep posting about it as a negative thing.

White writing on a dark background I find terrible difficult to read, especially with that butt-ugly green background.
And the text is SO not crisp like that.

I would be happy to go with an OPTION to have non-white B/G, but don`t throw the baby out with the bath water.
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Old 05-07-2011, 06:58 AM   #100
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I must be somewhere in the middle then. As far as I know, I have not touched my basic windows color settings at all, but still, the usual background called even pure white is nothing such here. Holding any regular white copy paper next to my screen proves this fast.

Not that it would change things for people who find this irritating regardless. But just to say that not everybody (literally) sees this as a big problem either. Options, maybe.
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Old 05-07-2011, 07:25 AM   #101
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Still no reply from Cockos...I might need to get Donald Trump on this one

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Old 05-07-2011, 07:30 AM   #102
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White writing on a dark background I find terrible difficult to read, especially with that butt-ugly green background.
And the text is SO not crisp like that.
Die, infidel!


No, seriously now. This is why there would also be an option to change text color! See how RADO handles the text well in Item Properties? That same text color would be used for text entries in the newly recolored FX browser. Easy as pie. And as good as bread. And better than fucking white backgrounds on a dark skin, literally poking in the eyes!
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Old 05-07-2011, 08:38 AM   #103
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Die, infidel!
Do you plan to setup an IED? (Improvised Explosive Daw)
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Old 05-07-2011, 08:43 AM   #104
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Erm....is this a good time to say I don`t like dark DAWs either?

Seriously, like I said - so long as this is still an OPTION, no problem.


Did all you youngsters grow up on Cubase on mono screen Atari STs or something?

Since I started out on a MODERN computer which could run anything it wanted to in COLOUR, including MIDI sequencers (Amiga 500)I never got the Johnny Darko habit.


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Old 05-07-2011, 08:47 AM   #105
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Does it really matter who likes dark or who likes bright ?
Not even sure why there is a discussion at all about this anyway, Cockos know by now that this needs to be a part of the theming at some point, I'm sure they will make it so when they can.

The funniest thing here is that some people actually think that they will lose the ability to have white backgrounds, can't honestly say i have ever seen anything removed from Reaper and not just made user definable or optional, so really that is just a stupid argument for the sake of arguing.
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Old 05-07-2011, 09:37 AM   #106
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Since I use dual boot, one win7 installation is there solely for reaper and I don`t care how the rest of the win looks. Today I decided to play around with themes in win7

This one goes great with RADO
http://charleston2378.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d346h4g

...it may need a bit more tweaking (which I am learning atm since not all of it can be done with normal win7 color options )

[IMG]http://img196.**************/img196/7558/unledztz.th.png[/IMG]

to use custom themes you need to do this or this


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some things in windows look but-ugly with this but who cares if you only run reaper on your computer

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Old 05-07-2011, 09:41 AM   #107
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anything else other than the eye hurting white would suit me.

i'dd like to get something like this :


Like the op, I would appreciate the admins to give their take on the subject.
i am a poise beta tester and huge supporter
but i have to say, are there really people who think that this is easier to look at than a windows explorer type window?????
"cooler looking" does not translate to better.

i dont even use poise's browser specifically because it's tried to reinvent the wheel where windows explorer - folder tree view has killed the game already.
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Old 05-07-2011, 10:01 AM   #108
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The funniest thing here is that some people actually think that they will lose the ability to have white backgrounds, can't honestly say i have ever seen anything removed from Reaper and not just made user definable or optional, so really that is just a stupid argument for the sake of arguing.
Stupid as it might, it has happened, maybe not to options you happened to use though.

Yes, this topic has been repeated many times now. And as many times that it will be repeated again, there should be people reminding about the other side too... at least to go against the claims of NOBODY liking the white background. Right?
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Old 05-07-2011, 10:51 AM   #109
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In my original post, I simply asked for Cockos to comment on this topic. I don't like the white backgrounds, but I understand that others do. And since one of the hallmarks of Reaper is its configurability, the ability to change the white windows backgrounds would be most welcome by many users. I know that defining the "value" of a new feature or change is difficult, but there are some changes that really pack a lot of bang for the buck. I submit, much like I did on increasing Reaper's dockability, that this change would be welcomed immediately by users followed by a chorus of "thank you" to the devs.
White Tie's comments about the propriety of answering such an inquery may be completely true and that's why we've not heard from Cockos in this thread. But clearly there's a vocal(if not sizable) element of Reaper users that would like to see this addressed. Frankly, it could all be cleared up with a response from Cockos. Again, no matter how satisfying or unsatisfying that response might be, a comment from the guys would be greatly appreciated and most welcome.

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Old 05-07-2011, 11:17 AM   #110
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I'm assuming that the unthemed elements are plain old windows controls. In which case, for the interim, a simple solution is to have a config option for specifying the FG and BG colour of standard Windows controls within Reaper?

Simple stuff.

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Since I started out on a MODERN computer which could run anything it wanted to in COLOUR, including MIDI sequencers (Amiga 500)I never got the Johnny Darko habit.


(snigger)
Ah...the good old Amiga 500 days. My DAW of choice on that old box was Bars & Pipes, a theme that was mostly black. REAPER's always been about choice and options. I doubt the devs get rid of the white when they add the new change at some point.

Another +1 vote for changing the white backgrounds. I'm breathing fire with E.D.

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hmmm, really not seeing the utter nessesity of the background color. I;d way rather see things that, (IMO) actually matter like automation love, and the many other HIGHLY functional\logical requests.

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hmmm, really not seeing the utter nessesity of the background color. I;d way rather see things that, (IMO) actually matter like automation love, and the many other HIGHLY functional\logical requests.
sure, but like someone said before, in one dark theme at 04.00 if you open one fx is like jesus coming...woalaaaa the light
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i wonder if cockos has ever responded to any thread that addresses them directly...
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i wonder if cockos has ever responded to any thread that addresses them directly...
for sure...
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i am a poise beta tester and huge supporter
but i have to say, are there really people who think that this is easier to look at than a windows explorer type window?????
"cooler looking" does not translate to better.

i dont even use poise's browser specifically because it's tried to reinvent the wheel where windows explorer - folder tree view has killed the game already.
any browser that isn't white is easier to look at than the windows explorer type window .

since we are talking about the white backgrounds, it would be nice if there was a darker skin availabale for the reaper forum: they all feature white backgrounds.

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Stupid as it might, it has happened, maybe not to options you happened to use though.
Which options ?
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ok i have a proposal



jokes. does anyone remember RAD WARRIOR!!????
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any browser that isn't white is easier to look at than the windows explorer type window .
If white backgrounds were that evil all major software designers would replace them years ago.
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jokes. does anyone remember RAD WARRIOR!!????
when is that sh*& coning out?
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