The Mouse Zone Editor - Page 2

beatbybit · 10-20-2008, 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Youn

Why not make an alternative program that customizes REAPER, instead of jamming it all in the user interface where people want to work and get stuff done in?

iirc that was airon's original idea..

airon · 10-20-2008, 03:52 PM

The big stumbling block is to make Reaper use such a configuration. It requires a lot of internal changes.

I was told that this has a chance of being implemented after Reaper 3.0 is released, so it'll take some time for this idea to be in our hands to use.

Tallisman · 10-20-2008, 05:55 PM

That, Airon, is very good news.

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joe2 · 10-21-2008, 05:39 AM

Good to hear! I'll survive in the meantime. (Albeit in the manner of a snivelling wreck.) :-)

Shan · 01-08-2009, 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by airon

...I was told that this has a chance of being implemented after Reaper 3.0 is released, so it'll take some time for this idea to be in our hands to use.

Bump for some love.

Hopefully the REAPER 3.x era will bring this into being making it the master of the DAW world in the editing department.

Shane

Shan · 02-05-2009, 11:47 PM

Shameless bump for some love.

Shane

jas · 02-13-2009, 05:45 PM

+1 Yes this is very functional and allows a unique mode of editing based upon user needs.

Shan · 02-21-2009, 11:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by airon

Bump for some Item Zone Editor love.

This would take the REAPER tool-less editing approach to an elite REAPER DAWmination level. I'd have 10 zones filled up in no time and burn through my editing.

...and throw in some White Tie cursor icons while your at it.

Shane

heylow · 02-21-2009, 11:54 PM

Wow.

Interesting, indeed.

+1 to that!

[dt]

Shan · 02-22-2009, 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by airon

The big stumbling block is to make Reaper use such a configuration. It requires a lot of internal changes.

I was told that this has a chance of being implemented after Reaper 3.0 is released, so it'll take some time for this idea to be in our hands to use.

Great news to hear!!

Shane

airon · 02-22-2009, 08:37 PM

Ideas for functions you can assign to a zone :

1) Free selection where the start and end of the selection always fall on zero crossing

2) Free selection where the start and end of the selection always fall on the grid(even if snap and grid are off)

3) Clip gain

4) Copying of Automation in the selected area/item - think CTRL+drag of automation. All Automation / Single parameter on Lane. Doing this on the item that has no envelope overlaying it would automatically copy all. The copy would travel like an item box on the screen untill you let go of the functions activating method

5) Slide material inside the item in grid increments

6) your ideas

joe2 · 02-23-2009, 03:27 AM

Just a note: would this editor, or the concept of a "total overhaul" for mouse control, include stuff like configuring the wheel? e.g., directions for scrolling/zooming? (Perhaps there should be the layers "scroll up", "down", etc. for various mouse types.)

--edit: I would also hope that this feature would allow one to achieve something like the following: "if I click-drag an item via zone x, and I'm holding the modifier y, make the position z in this zone snap (or not snap) in accordance with rule a". Make any kinda sense? Diagrams and essays when I've got the time!

Sorry if this is repetition.

airon · 02-23-2009, 07:21 AM

I guess it could, because the mouse wheel is already available as an action anyway.

Think of it this way :

You could use one of the provided presets.

The best, most useful presets would be included in the official distribution. For example there could be the "Tallisman Music Production" preset of mouse zones, or a "Logic Audio 8" preset so folks transitioning from there have an easier time. Shane might create a "Editing Music Multitrack Recordings" preset that other could refine to their taste.

What would you do with mouse zone controls such as this ?

It would be a giant leap in usability, not just because people can change it all they want, but because you can provide more than one starting point, and quickly test these starting points as well. Fast prototyping of interface features.

And like a high-q linear-phase-filter pre-echo, I can hear a question of "What about the midi editor? " That's an idea I haven't pursued yet, but you're welcome to

.

--about the edit--
That last function you talked about would be amongst the function or action list, so that may be possible.

== edit ==

The automation lanes are a zone all by themselves. I'm not sure whether or not it's a good idea to be able to modify those editing capabilities.

joe2 · 02-23-2009, 08:12 AM

In short, we're looking for something really powerful, really configurable, and really usable -- and this requires a good, thoroughly thought through design. I look forward to making helpful contributions (as soon as I've finished a few tunes!).

Shan · 03-10-2009, 06:36 PM

Bump for some love.

Shane

Shan · 03-29-2009, 07:20 PM

Hopefully in the Reaper 3.x era.

Shane

joe2 · 03-30-2009, 04:04 AM

Man, I'm salivating for this.

Did I mention, it would be great to see different contexts for different zoom levels?

e.g., all the way out, I'd love if every item click would do "virtually nothing". And all the way in, virtually everything. ;-) (So, as the size of the item literally grows in the display, more mouse-performable edits become possible.)

Slightly separate point: but I'd like if the display of such zones could be controlled as well, and at different zoom levels. It's useless to me if, after zooming out a certain amount, I see loads of mess representing fades.

MZE ftw.

airon · 03-30-2009, 06:04 AM

Here's a further developed mockup that uses some of the ideas from the shot Shane posted.

Draggable divider lines, creation of new lines, better organization of layout.

=edit2=

The "Area" dropdown selector refers to being able to edit different areas. These would be Item, non-item area and envelope lanes.

How the zone areas could behave:
Left clicking in to one zone area would highlight it for editing.

Moving the mouse over any of the zones would show their contents in a number of possible ways, being tooltips that instantly pop up showing function and cursor, or an information panel below the Single Zone Settings button area, or the function and cursor are highlighted in the panels on the lower left and right.

Drag and drop of cursors and functions would of course be the quickest way to do it.

Right-clicking, well let's hear ideas for that.

Left-clicking on dividers and dragging would move the divider line.

Double-clicking in to a zone area would add a divider that divides the zone according to this law: Divide vertically if horizontal length is larger than the vertical one, and visa versa. Shift+Double-click would do the opposite.

ALT+click would delete the divider. The user would then need to point and click at the zone he/she would like to DELETE.

Stay tuned for further development of this idea. Please post any ideas you have.

airon · 03-31-2009, 04:18 PM

Some food for thought about the current state of Reapers mouse zone configuration.

It has a lot of redundancies, as highlighted by colour in the picture I link to below. There is plenty of wasted opportunity here, especially since Reaper does nothing with the SHIFT modifier except add item selections.

And this is only the left mouse button.

Reaper v2.58 - v3.0alpha Mouse Zone Layers - Left Mouse button
(194 kB PNG image 1778x1200)
https://stash.reaper.fm/oldsb/137647/...Highlights.png

The Xara 4 source file, if you'd like to put out your own layout ideas a little easier.
https://stash.reaper.fm/oldsb/137648/...3_Examples.zip

Shan · 03-31-2009, 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by airon

Reaper v2.58 - v3.0alpha Mouse Zone Layers - Left Mouse button
(194 kB PNG image 1778x1200)
https://stash.reaper.fm/oldsb/137632/...Highlights.png

HOLY SHITE!!! Power user editors would kill for this type of control and speed!! My workflow would increase 100 fold!

Stay tuned for some of my own custom layouts posted.

Shane

zappsunzorn · 03-31-2009, 04:55 PM

This has to be one of the best ideas I have seen. +1

It seems, how can I say this, Reaper-esk

JimmyMike · 04-04-2009, 09:18 AM

This would make audio editing that much more delightful in Reaper. +1!

-Mike

Bink · 04-04-2009, 01:45 PM

I'd love all of this, however it seems like a huge development task, and I would be quite happy to move in this direction by starting with good default zones hard-coded in (non-customizable).

With this, I think that the right-click context menus could become much smarter, displaying different menus depending on what zone was clicked. Maybe some additional tiny icons on mouse-over (next to the lock) which have unique [short] context menus.

Shan · 04-20-2009, 05:25 PM

Bumpsy

Shane

boka · 04-23-2009, 04:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shan

Hopefully in the Reaper 3.x era.

Shane

+1 as already before!

Shan · 04-24-2009, 02:40 AM

We get this in the 3.x era...or else:

...we'll be makin' some noise.

Shane

Shan · 05-01-2009, 12:30 AM

Oops, bumped this by accident. Sorry. Carry on.

Shane

airon · 05-01-2009, 03:08 AM

This is sugar, not Nutrasweet. Plenty to see, step up, ask for your dose of sweets.

Plenty of workflow boosts by the users for users with this idea. Customization at its most basic level, enabled for non-programmers.

airon · 05-20-2009, 08:54 AM

The time is ripe for another bump.

More rapid prototyping of mouse interface designs in the arrangement area.

Shan · 05-20-2009, 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shan

Hopefully in the Reaper 3.x era.

Shane

Sorry, accidental bump. Carry on folks.

Shane

jas · 05-20-2009, 10:55 PM

+1 bump as in even 3.1

joe2 · 05-21-2009, 04:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joe2

Did I mention, it would be great to see different contexts for different zoom levels?

Massive bump.

Shan · 05-22-2009, 05:16 PM

Will we see this in 3.01?

Shane

Shan · 05-31-2009, 03:09 AM

WHOA!!!! Who let this drift all the way to page 3??

There will be a day when this page can drift away because the feature will be implemented. Hopefully that will be REAPER 3.1.

Shane

jas · 05-31-2009, 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jas

+1 bump as in even 3.1

+1 (bumping my bump)

Shan · 06-09-2009, 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shan

Hopefully in the Reaper 3.x era.

Shane

Editing DAWmination.

Shane

ed209 · 06-17-2009, 12:31 AM

+1

although it looks quite scary... the reset will come in handy

Reverbio · 06-17-2009, 12:56 AM

+1 would be top !

joe2 · 06-17-2009, 05:15 AM

Is this going to get posted in the new FR issue/tracking section?

jas · 06-17-2009, 10:04 AM

Hopefully it is part of the current discussion as
Area Selection in the FR issue/tracking section:
http://forum.cockos.com/project.php?issueid=122

It evolved over the weekend in the Pre Release section:
http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=37462