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09-08-2008, 04:35 PM
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I would LOVE this feature!
For mastering, for tweaking ready-made loops and lots of other uses, bring it!
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09-11-2008, 05:35 PM
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Beat,
after our chat in irc, and the explanation you gave, i feel compelled to add a big plus 1 to this excellent idea. Here's hoping it sees the light of day in the near future..
Alex.
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09-12-2008, 12:16 AM
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Just checked and saw I didn't give my ++1 for this great idea yet. So here it is. I really like that mockup you made.
Only thing i miss would be a marker defining the start of the AP, I miss that in the midi editor as well. I can change the end of the looped region, so why not the start?
Btw, I think Dstruct meant the start of the animation. Very often when people show these animated gifs one cannot see where the animation begins or ends, as it just seemlessly loops round and round. It is sometimes very confusing to me as well.
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09-12-2008, 01:29 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gofer
Only thing i miss would be a marker defining the start of the AP, I miss that in the midi editor as well. I can change the end of the looped region, so why not the start?
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its a good idea (for MIDI items too)
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Originally Posted by gofer
Btw, I think Dstruct meant the start of the animation. Very often when people show these animated gifs one cannot see where the animation begins or ends, as it just seemlessly loops round and round. It is sometimes very confusing to me as well.
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i guess i did some fade in at the start and fade out at the end ?...
(at least in the latter .gif : http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...9&postcount=77)
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09-14-2008, 05:03 PM
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i'd like to have some Actions for creating easy part variations, like:
* Duplicate ALL Items to a New .reapart as a New Take
* Duplicate SELECTED Items to a New .reapart as a New Take
i think this would be a lightning fast way of building up more complex beats and other rhythmic material.
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09-17-2008, 04:31 PM
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i guess this is the best thread to "waste" my 1000th post on this Forum.
B U M P.
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09-20-2008, 03:40 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by beatbybit
+1
AfterEffects has got the mojo.
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i've just started learning After Effects, and the Composition In Composition feature is my favorite part about it so far.
i would love to see this in Reaper.
+1
ps. i just noticed that your screen name is actually Beat By Bit. all this time i've been reading it as Beaty Bit. weird.
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10-05-2008, 11:31 PM
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+1 would be 'hella nice'!
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10-06-2008, 05:39 PM
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+1
for sure
great idea
don´t let this sink!
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10-06-2008, 07:05 PM
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Amazing!!
beatbybit, simply love the idea and it's +++++++1 for me too!!
Damn, i have a feeling that by this Xmas, Reaper's gonna have a major overhaul and it's gonna be HOT and FIRE!!!!
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10-06-2008, 07:16 PM
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Wait a second, isn't this just a FOLDER from Logic 6 / 8?
And any other programs that can have massive amounts of files in a folder?
Yes, I miss Logic. Having an ENTIRE COMPOSITION in a folder, and cutting it up, moving it around, arranging a song by 3 folders for an ENTIRE SONG was great.
I dunno, I may just have to ditch Reaper. Er. . . Only mix in it, but if they EVER bring Logic back to PC. I'm OUT!
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Originally Posted by beatbybit
my all-time FR..
i hope it makes sense to you, but if you dont get it, please read this thread: (and watch some video about the concept)
http://www.cockos.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8196
these Amalgamation Parts should be treated just like the MIDI items like : move, hard/GHOST copy (loop), trim, fade, split, vol adjust.. and should be SAVED/LOADED as a track template (Beat locked), so it'd mean we could work with real MultiTrack "elements".
(Audio _AND_ MIDI items)
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(thanks Bungle for putting this .gif together )
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10-06-2008, 07:25 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by larrygates
I dunno, I may just have to ditch Reaper. Er. . . Only mix in it...
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Dude, if I had a pound or a dollar for each time you've said that then I'd be a rich man. Or given the current economic climate, slightly less poor.
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Reason: stupidity.
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10-06-2008, 07:50 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by larrygates
Wait a second, isn't this just a FOLDER from Logic 6 / 8?
And any other programs that can have massive amounts of files in a folder?
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basically its like that Logic thing, yes. Or Cubendo. Or eXT, OpcodeVision, and many more, afaik.
nooone of these can come close to Reaper's editing/tweaking "tools" (+ Extensions)
IMHO / for me.
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Originally Posted by larrygates
Yes, I miss Logic.
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i dont.
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Originally Posted by larrygates
Having an ENTIRE COMPOSITION in a folder, and cutting it up, moving it around, arranging a song by 3 folders for an ENTIRE SONG was great.
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yup, you've got the point. its a good example.
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Originally Posted by larrygates
I dunno, I may just have to ditch Reaper. Er. . . Only mix in it, but if they EVER bring Logic back to PC. I'm OUT!
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would you dare?
i wouldnt.
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10-06-2008, 10:18 PM
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I dunno, Reaper is VERY VERY Clumsy. And it's not the end user. I can't do that uber precise shit I'm used to in Logic. Don't even get me started on shitty automation.
ha hahah.
Oh yeah, Religulous was kind of funny?
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Originally Posted by beatbybit
basically its like that Logic thing, yes. Or Cubendo. Or eXT, OpcodeVision, and many more, afaik.
nooone of these can come close to Reaper's editing/tweaking "tools" (+ Extensions)
IMHO / for me.
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10-07-2008, 12:17 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by larrygates
I can't do that uber precise shit I'm used to in Logic.
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10-07-2008, 08:47 AM
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The grid work in Reaper is rather odd. As in, I have everything set to 1/4 note grid, and no change when I zoom. It's too cumbersome to go to an 1/8 grid or 16th grid, because all the key commands are completely disconnected. Meaning, you have to assign a key command to EVERY value, instead some stepping parameter.
That doesn't bring up the odd feel of moving the regions around. It's just not as "tactile" as other programs I'm used to. I feel like I'm moving stuff around in Wavosaur. That has to do with some graphical things, Brice's ideas would CHANGE all of that.
Then, to make a LOT of cuts, or to repeat just one part of something, I have to GLUE that piece that I cut, hope it right, then use the drag command, that isn't really intuitive. In Logic I can cut ANY PART of the region, hit L, it loops until I make a region to stop that. But the good part is I can CUT the original parent of the loop and the loop adjusts on the fly.
Do I even HAVE to say anything about the ass-backwards automation? Where when you're in READ mode the faders don't even react! Meaning there's NO volume change, I HAVE to be in TRIM or a Write mode to effect anything? And the envelopes are JUST as Flimsy as the Waveforms! There isn't even LANES for Real. They're just duplicate tracks or FIP, (Which I've grown to hate). But it has uses, real LANES would be much better, esp for automation, but I don't even use automation in Reaper (it's just wrong) so I make elaborate routing setups and use PLUGINS to do things that the DAW should handle on it's own.
There you go. I use Reaper it's great, but I hate it!
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hmm... What do you mean exactly?
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10-07-2008, 09:03 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by larrygates
It's too cumbersome to go to an 1/8 grid or 16th grid, because all the key commands are completely disconnected. Meaning, you have to assign a key command to EVERY value, instead some stepping parameter.
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agreed. an action to cycle between selected divisions is really needed! cubase has it for example.
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10-07-2008, 09:14 AM
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Can't you guys just set the grid to 1/48 and minimum 20 pixels or similar?
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10-07-2008, 09:22 AM
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could we please stay On-Topic?
thank you.
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10-07-2008, 09:40 AM
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Ok, what's the 20 pixel thing mean? Is that when you zoom in so far it changes grid value? Dunno how to use that pixel feature at all really. I think your explanation will set me straight.
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Can't you guys just set the grid to 1/48 and minimum 20 pixels or similar?
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Ha ha, stay on topic about a feature that will further discombobulate reaper? You can have this thread back as soon as I get that grid question answered, or I find enough money to buy a house, and a new Mac with Logic 7 / 8 running on it! And some hit records.
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Originally Posted by beatbybit
could we please stay On-Topic?
thank you.
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10-14-2008, 10:52 AM
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A serious +1. Bring it! Thanks. :-)
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10-19-2008, 01:05 PM
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+1
really really big
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10-27-2008, 04:01 PM
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Ok.. finally I see how much time this would save me.. especially if it could be used with clones/ghost items.
I've been glue-ing and using multiple copies of those glued items and this would make it so much more comfortable to work with clusters.
The idea actually feels "very REAPER" I would say.
A big fat +100 from me
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10-31-2008, 02:46 PM
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Hey bit ++++++++1 from me also
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11-11-2008, 04:27 PM
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buuuuuuuuump.
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11-11-2008, 04:33 PM
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Yeah, time to bump a bit! Pretty pleeeeease to the Cockos devs...
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12-07-2008, 03:09 PM
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+1
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01-03-2009, 11:44 PM
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You guys can expect lots of ex-other-DAW followers to come to Reaper if you implement this.
+1, but after normal LINKED CLIPS!!!
see more at:
http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=30422
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01-04-2009, 11:56 AM
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I currently use project tabs as a workaround for this.
Of course, I'm not saying having it would be a bad thing
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01-04-2009, 12:21 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by zildjohn01
I currently use project tabs as a workaround for this.
Of course, I'm not saying having it would be a bad thing
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can you sync project that way (without MIDI yoke or such)?
can you have GHOST copies?
can you have multitaked GHOST copies of patterns?
can you..
tabs are nice, but not so much to do with this FR.
imho.
hq9000:
for me THESE would be the "normal linked clips"..
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01-04-2009, 12:54 PM
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I'm all for this! Just trying to hold everyone over until it happens.
Ghost copies *can* work if you do everything in the subproject, since you have to render down first.
IMO this is overkill for linked clips, which should be implemented first as hq9000 said. Why have a separate container item just for a simple take volume envelope or something like that?
Again I'm all for this and would use it, but just trying to offer a temporary workaround
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01-04-2009, 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by zildjohn01
Ghost copies *can* work if you do everything in the subproject, since you have to render down first.
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lets say we have an arrange session (no drums, 32 bars) and another session for building the beat.
now how can we adjust the timing of for eg. the snares WHILE listening the rendered (and "ghosted") .part in the another session, together with the arrangement?
i think i did everything to simulate this behaviour, but... its still way too much extra job.
im afraid youre focusing MIDI only..
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02-09-2009, 01:51 AM
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can i bump this as many times as I like? or am I allowed to bump it just once?
if not then I'll bump it NOW... why now? because I DO think it's the best moment in REAPER for .reaparts. Please, make it happen guys
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02-09-2009, 08:02 AM
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I guess we don't need to bump it too much since Cockos know already that quite a number of us would really love to have this ability. But I agree that it's a better moment than previous times since we now have tabbed projects + inline MIDI and for me it seems much easier to imagine how it would feel to use them.
I'm interested to know if others share this view!
I think seeing and using inline MIDI made me realise how the .parts idea really wouldn't be comfortable in that format and would definitely need to be in a separate window to be of practical size & layout.
The obvious thing seems to be another tab since it's easier to navigate than opening & hiding a window and since multiple tabs can play at once it felt like we're already en route to a solution. The other reason for suggesting it is that our heads are probably all starting to hurt from having addition elements in the interface and having a .part as a normal looking project window but as a slave is more familiar than another new window.
So.. if a new type of item basically told REAPER to play the RPP in another tab using the same BPM as the original project (overriding the second tab's BPM basically) and matching the item's position data every time an instance of the item appeared, the second tab would be "under control" of the first and we could switch easily to there to edit the .part as a project in a second tab.
On closing the tab (or maybe just switching away) it could autorender back to the original item so any instance is automatically "frozen".
This would allow .part to be any .RPP which just gets treated as a slave of the project that references it, auto opened by its association with the items in the calling project + would effectively allow ghost copies (since opening any instance of the item would take you back to that .part tab) without a .part being exclusive to one project.
Hope that's clear & would love to hear feedback.
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02-09-2009, 09:00 AM
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Sorry for not adding much specifically to your comments, drew, but I just wanted to note the following:
Parts could be implemented in a seriously complex fashion, or a pretty simple fashion. (Of course, it's likely that the simpler the implementation, the fewer features it'd have. i.e., less configurable/extensible, etc.)
Basically, the trick will probably be to implement a very complex system under the hood, which can be configured/used in a number of different ways.
I can only really speak with reference to a couple of other systems--this is unfortunate in the sense that they are not flexible in a way I'd like Reaper to be, but helpful because they're solid examples. (And they've been mentioned before.)
1. Cubendo parts. This is quick and dirty but it really can get the job done. Right now, some of the reaparts mockups look like more featureful versions of this. (Cubendo parts let you have multiple "tracks", all of which are contained on the single .. "container" track, that the part is on. Each track can't be mixed/routed. Back in Cubase 2, the event that was literally at the top of this part had precedence, and would play instead of any below it at the same time.)
2. Fruityloops patterns. Check out Fruity's system of a pattern arranger alongside a "normal" timeline, where you can drop audio files, etc. Something like this would be really desirable in Reaper. (Is a reapart like a pattern, that you could throw into a grid?) It might seem like overkill, but ultimately the grid is a playlist for parts which is extremely quick to edit.
Sorry for the messy thoughts. I'll honestly dedicate some time to proper writeups and screenshots soon. Hope this makes sense. :-)
Regards.
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04-18-2009, 03:12 PM
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#116
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bummmmpppppppp
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04-18-2009, 03:22 PM
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Yeah definitely time for some bump!
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04-19-2009, 02:44 PM
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++1
oh yes, bump again !!
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04-20-2009, 04:14 PM
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+++1 bump. One of the most important Reaper FR.
Yes, it's like a Folder, with a freeze built in.
In Logic I liked that the folder:
- is opened in the same Arrange window (by double clicking an item); to go back to the main window, just double click empty space between items,
- and you can have nested folders
- and you can use non-destructive quantization etc. on *whole* folders, modifying non-destructive parameters for all contained tracks and items.
This convenient behavior (double clicking to reuse the same window for different contents) is used often in Logic:
- for piano rolls (double click empty space to see multiple midi tracks in one window, to see one sequence, double click a note of that item)
- to zoom out (alt+single click)
Folders and the "Link Button"
You can also create a separate screenset to show what is inside of a currently selected folder, for instance with a list window, arrange window, and a piano roll window. In that screenset you enable the famous "Link Buttons" on all windows.
The result: if you just select a Folder in your main screenset and then switch to the other screenset, the Arrange shows the tracks, the List window shows what's inside the Folder, and the same for the piano roll (if it contains midi).
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05-18-2009, 01:21 AM
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I thing it could be very very very very util !!!
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