Old 01-24-2014, 12:40 PM   #1
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Default Any strummer tool in Reaper?

I work a lot with MIDI, and in all my projects I have at least 3 guitars, often much more, and dealing with strums in Reaper is a real pain in the *ss. In FLStudio you have this neat native feature called Strumizer, where you select a chord and just tweaking a couple of knobs you have a cool set of strums for your guitar.

Do you know of anything like it, or some hidden who-knows-what-name js plugin?
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Old 01-24-2014, 01:25 PM   #2
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Maybe ReaChorder?

Listen to the demo from timbralzoom here.

I find it pretty impressive. Unfortunately I did not get it to work and never tried it again.

Another helpful script (not sure if you could use it for that): MIDI Editor Powerup – Instant chords, scales and arpeggios.

And you could always humanize the midi notes to your taste in the midi editor (I do it mostly on everything with only tiny variations).

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Old 01-24-2014, 01:32 PM   #3
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Do you know of anything like it, or some hidden who-knows-what-name js plugin?
Try this plugin. https://stash.reaper.fm/v/11616/midi_arpbangzero.zip
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Old 01-24-2014, 01:39 PM   #4
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There's one in the Piz midi bundle that might do what you want.
http://www.thepiz.org/plugins/?p=pizmidi
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I've got this and it's quite good, can't remember what I paid but it wasn't much...
http://www.applied-acoustics.com/str...tric/overview/
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Old 01-24-2014, 02:32 PM   #6
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Maybe ReaChorder? I find it pretty impressive. Unfortunately I did not get it to work and never tried it again.
Yes it is impressive, but it seems to have a different purpose, I mean, it creates (really creates) progressions of chords, but not strumming.

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Another helpful script (not sure if you could use it for that): MIDI Editor Powerup – Instant chords, scales and arpeggios.
Mmmmm... nope, but you made my day anyway. It inserts chords, arpeggios and such, which is great. I spend a lot of time searching for chords notation and this will save me hours in each project.

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And you could always humanize the midi notes to your taste in the midi editor (I do it mostly on everything with only tiny variations).
This, and some manual tweaking, is what I do now, but a "struminator" saves you the time of the manual tweaking.

Thank you anyway, because I didn't know about those two tools and are really great.

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Arpbangzero does strumming? I use it for synth arpeggios but never checked for something like guitar strums. But knowing the plugin, probably it'll work with that as well. This is one hell of a plugin, awesome.

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There's one in the Piz midi bundle that might do what you want.
http://www.thepiz.org/plugins/?p=pizmidi
I'll give a try to this one for sure. Thank you.
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Old 01-24-2014, 02:39 PM   #7
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I've got this and it's quite good, can't remember what I paid but it wasn't much...
http://www.applied-acoustics.com/str...tric/overview/
I'm looking for something that works directly to the midi files, and then insert a VSTi playing the already strummed chords. I don't have this one but somewhat similar, RealStrat, and it's really great, but you don't have much control of the strumming.
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I'm looking for something that works directly to the midi files, and then insert a VSTi playing the already strummed chords.
That will be difficult, as any good strummer will need some additional control for emulating the strums, besides the pure chord information. At least some staccato keying. So a midi-file containing chord will not 'strum' in any way, and midi-files that do contain strumming notes, well... they are already 'strumming'.

Besides all this, I'm playing with the idea of building a dedicated strummer for Reaper in JS, as I have some ideas for that
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Old 01-24-2014, 03:16 PM   #9
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That will be difficult, as any good strummer will need some additional control for emulating the strums, besides the pure chord information. At least some staccato keying. So a midi-file containing chord will not 'strum' in any way, and midi-files that do contain strumming notes, well... they are already 'strumming'.
Well, of course it won't do all the job, but if at least does the tedious shortening and placing the notes... That's why I said "working to the midi", changing the midi chords in a "strumming way". Something like this:

http://www.image-line.com/support/FL...roll_strum.htm

The Pizmidi MidiStrum looks promising, but it's designed to function as an input FX, between the MIDI controller and the track to be recorded, and I can't get it to work no matter what, because I do the primitive "drawing notes with the mouse". I'll have to spend some time learning how it works.

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And I'll be grateful to you for life if you do it

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Old 01-25-2014, 10:54 AM   #10
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Need one of these menus, I think (in addition to strumming functionality)...

http://imgur.com/8e6sohl
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Need one of these menus, I think (in addition to strumming functionality)...

http://imgur.com/8e6sohl
Actually, the Reaper menu set that Halma posted here does that:

MIDI Editor Powerup – Instant chords, scales and arpeggios

On the other subject, I tried if arp!0 can do strumming and probably it will, but it must be the closest thing to hell to set it up for that.

MidiStrum it's easier but not much, and the lack of a GUI doesn't help, but I managed to make some nice strums. Definitely requires more studying, there's too many sliders to tweak around, but it's powerful. In some ways it works a lot like the built-in strum engine of MusicLab products (RealStrat, RealGuitar...), controlling up and down strokes with an area of the keyboard (or piano roll). Once you have the right settings on, then it's easy.
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These are great suggestions. I am particularly interested in the ReaChorder idea. But, I also wanted to mention this:



Using my own chord only version of this amazing ReaperKeymap, https://stash.reaper.fm/v/7795/Chords_Scales_Arps.zip along with changing my Default MIDI note left drag to Stretch note positions ignoring snap (arpeggiate).

Side note: I could've right-clicked on the "Major" toolbar button to keep it active the whole time and just clicked the root note to create each chord.
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Old 01-25-2014, 03:26 PM   #13
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Default Strum Acoustic GS1

Have you seen Strum Acoustic GS1? Fantastic(and I'm a guitar player) came with Sonar X3 so I don't know the cost...
https://www.applied-acoustics.com/st...stic/overview/
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These are great suggestions. I am particularly interested in the ReaChorder idea. But, I also wanted to mention this:
Using my own chord only version of this amazing ReaperKeymap, https://stash.reaper.fm/v/7795/Chords_Scales_Arps.zip along with changing my Default MIDI note left drag to Stretch note positions ignoring snap (arpeggiate).

Side note: I could've right-clicked on the "Major" toolbar button to keep it active the whole time and just clicked the root note to create each chord.
I can't stress enough how ENVIOUS I am when I see all those thingies and buttons and... more thingies you all have which looks like magic to me. The only downside I can find to your solution is that you have to guess, when stretching, where the first notes of the second and third chords are going to "land".

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Have you seen Strum Acoustic GS1? Fantastic(and I'm a guitar player) came with Sonar X3 so I don't know the cost...
https://www.applied-acoustics.com/st...stic/overview/
Someone mentioned it before, but this works with midi, not to the midi itself.
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I can't stress enough how ENVIOUS I am when I see all those thingies and buttons and... more thingies you all have which looks like magic to me. The only downside I can find to your solution is that you have to guess, when stretching, where the first notes of the second and third chords are going to "land".
As for the thingies and the buttons and the thingies, I just created them over time as the need arose. And from copying off other users stuff when I saw something I liked in a post. You can PM me if you're interested in some function in particular.

As for the guessing, well, not at all. I had all 3 notes of all 3 chords selected. That's why everything moved at once. That tool only works on selected notes and works differently depending on whether you're dragging the top, bottom or one of the middle notes. So you edit each chord strum separately and position the chords by ear to taste. And very quickly you'll learn what the "right" sound looks like. And you get faster and faster as you go.
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As for the thingies and the buttons and the thingies, I just created them over time as the need arose. And from copying off other users stuff when I saw something I liked in a post. You can PM me if you're interested in some function in particular.
I'm still trying to *figure out how could you add the pencil button to the MIDI editor toolbar, and that's just one of many.

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As for the guessing, well, not at all. I had all 3 notes of all 3 chords selected. That's why everything moved at once. That tool only works on selected notes and works differently depending on whether you're dragging the top, bottom or one of the middle notes. So you edit each chord strum separately and position the chords by ear to taste. And very quickly you'll learn what the "right" sound looks like. And you get faster and faster as you go.
Definitely is worth trying it

*Edit: Ok, I just figured it out. Damn you MIDI Editor Toolbar, you should fear me now!

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These are great suggestions. I am particularly interested in the ReaChorder idea. But, I also wanted to mention this:



Using my own chord only version of this amazing ReaperKeymap, https://stash.reaper.fm/v/7795/Chords_Scales_Arps.zip along with changing my Default MIDI note left drag to Stretch note positions ignoring snap (arpeggiate).

Side note: I could've right-clicked on the "Major" toolbar button to keep it active the whole time and just clicked the root note to create each chord.

This is defiently what i need but not for guitar, just straight piano chords.

I play piano fine and don't use the piano roll much but for ideas, that Chord toolbar with everything in it looks incredible for ideas!!

Where can i download that toolbar?
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Any way to make the chord play once you enter it so you can hear it? Or possibly a chord preview type action ?
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This is defiently what i need but not for guitar, just straight piano chords.

I play piano fine and don't use the piano roll much but for ideas, that Chord toolbar with everything in it looks incredible for ideas!!

Where can i download that toolbar?
Here's a link to my modified version of Aeolian1's original ReaperMenu.
https://stash.reaper.fm/v/23449/chord...C-2.ReaperMenu
You'll need to go to his original posting https://stash.reaper.fm/v/7795/Chords....zip#file_info
to download and install the Chords_Scales_Arps.Reaperkeymap for this to work.
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Here's a link to my modified version of Aeolian1's original ReaperMenu.
https://stash.reaper.fm/v/23449/chord...C-2.ReaperMenu
You'll need to go to his original posting https://stash.reaper.fm/v/7795/Chords....zip#file_info
to download and install the Chords_Scales_Arps.Reaperkeymap for this to work.
Thank you for this, just downloaded both files, (yours and the Chords_Scales_Arps.Reaperkeymap as instructed)

Just for a meathead like me, could you tell me where / which folder these both need to be dropped into, within Reaper 4.77 for them to work ok within the Piano Roll?
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Just for a meathead like me, could you tell me where / which folder these both need to be dropped into, within Reaper 4.77 for them to work ok within the Piano Roll?
The keymap here (if you're using x64, of course, but for x86 is simillar) c:\Program Files\REAPER (x64)\InstallData\KeyMaps\

The menu here (again, if x64 etc) c:\Users\<your user>\AppData\Roaming\REAPER\MenuSets\
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These are great suggestions. I am particularly interested in the ReaChorder idea. But, I also wanted to mention this:



Using my own chord only version of this amazing ReaperKeymap, https://stash.reaper.fm/v/7795/Chords_Scales_Arps.zip along with changing my Default MIDI note left drag to Stretch note positions ignoring snap (arpeggiate).

Side note: I could've right-clicked on the "Major" toolbar button to keep it active the whole time and just clicked the root note to create each chord.
Hi, i do not see how to get these extra buttons in the pianoroll editor, can you help me , is it your own creation?Specially the first line...
How to make the strumming shift?

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Call me a grumpy old Luddite, but in the time it takes to get a handle on a MIDI guitar strummer, you might well have done a dozen takes on a wood'n'wire apparatus
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For anyone interested:

https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=186766
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