View Poll Results: What audio file format do you work with most often?
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aiff
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flac
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mp3
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ogg
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5.12% |
opus
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wav/bwf/w64
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93.02% |
wavpack
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4.19% |
other
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06-10-2020, 09:17 AM
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What audio file format do you work with most often?
^^ vote in poll please ^^
sticking this thread for a week.
Last edited by schwa; 06-10-2020 at 09:30 AM.
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06-10-2020, 09:20 AM
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#2
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.flac
.wv
.wav
.mp3
.mp4
.mov
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06-10-2020, 11:37 AM
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It kind of depends on what I'm doing. When recording my own music I use WAV format but I also rip my CD's to FLAC. Sometimes an MP3 is all that is needed.
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06-10-2020, 01:35 PM
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inside the box: almost only wav.... but when exporting the final song: mp3, wav and flac...
I don´t like aiff because it is not even supported by all the hosts/DAWs but it should be an alternative to wav... (nice try apple)
Last edited by operator; 06-10-2020 at 01:41 PM.
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06-10-2020, 03:03 PM
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Just a quick note: you can choose multiple ones in the box.
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06-10-2020, 03:08 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by adXok
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This is not audio at all.
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06-11-2020, 02:06 AM
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I can't answer this, as it depends on the purpose.
- for internal studio use, for practising and testing: mp3 CBR 320 kb/s
- for everyhing that is leaving the studio to the public: wav
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06-11-2020, 02:14 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by siehorst
I can't answer this, as it depends on the purpose.
- for internal studio use, for practising and testing: mp3 CBR 320 kb/s
- for everyhing that is leaving the studio to the public: wav
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You can vote for more than one. I voted for both WAV and MP3 ....
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06-11-2020, 02:29 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nicholas
You can vote for more than one.
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ok, thank you, ... done (but that isn't 'most' ;-) )
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06-11-2020, 03:48 AM
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#10
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Wav/BWF/RF64.
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06-11-2020, 04:01 AM
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Human being with feelings
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Surprised to see only one vote for Opus (mine).
I've been using it extensively for the last couple of years, replacing mp3. I've reencoded my music collection that I keep on my mobile devices to Opus and more and more use Opus for Web, as it's already supported by all major browsers. I also often download various podcasts and lectures from YT as audio (via Youtube-dl or NewPipe) and it's of course mostly Opus.
It's amazingly effective and transparent down to what would be unreasonably low bitrates for mp3.
Also I had a rather long stint with WavPack but use it less this days. I need to refresh on its encoder speed and latency info. IIRC it's faster than FLAC for encoding. If it supports low latency encoding it may be usable for lossless-streaming applications. Not sure there.
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06-12-2020, 08:09 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by operator
I don´t like aiff because it is not even supported by all the hosts/DAWs but it should be an alternative to wav... (nice try apple)
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Well, Apple christened it as a Mac only format in 1988 and it worked for them and the rest of us on Macs for ages, until they began being equally wav friendly while Windows was not for it. At this point it's been a long time since Mac-centric audio programs didn't offer wav, and keeping aiff there has pretty much been a concession to those with older archives. For opening up an old session from those days it's pretty important for such programs like Logic and DP to keep it. But for Reaper (Windows centric during aiff's useful heyday, I'd think the only reason to have it is because it's not hard to offer it, not because there's any useful reason to use it for any Reaper 6 project. All the other options have their purpose as a project format (as aside from delivery format). Aiff not really that I can think of, and I'm all OS X.
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06-12-2020, 08:22 PM
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i use
.wav-16bit
mp3-320
flac
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06-12-2020, 08:24 PM
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Source files are mainly WAV files.
Intermediate rendered files are WavePack wv [32fp]
Final Render, Export - WAV 32fp
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06-12-2020, 09:26 PM
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WAV for final mixes (24/48), MP3 for rough mixes.
But it depends on the project and the client.
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06-13-2020, 02:06 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by vdubreeze
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Thanks for the infos... didn´t knew that.
AND for the second half of the post, I agree completely. :-)
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06-13-2020, 06:04 AM
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This is really useful, thanks everyone and keep voting.
Compared to my priors I'm surprised at how many flac users.
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06-13-2020, 06:42 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by schwa
This is really useful, thanks everyone and keep voting.
Compared to my priors I'm surprised at how many flac users.
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Yes, I use FLAC almost exclusively when e.g. archiving finished project (converting all WAV24 to FLAC, except WAV32fp of course ... hm, maybe I should use WavPack for them?), but also for multitracks in progress when I need smaller project folder which I transfer back and forth with me on USB's or via internet.
On the other hand I also use OGG a lot, 1st because of wonderful NINJAM and 2nd because I can make any multitrack session approx.50MB and for teaching somebody a workflow, techniques etc. the quality is more than enough and the complete project size is really negligible (it is not for production, for sure).
But for recording mostly 24-bit WAV (44.1 or 48 kHz) (Few years ago I was used to record into FLAC with no problem, but as much as I use new and new dev versions, I stick with mostly default settings).
For final mix master WAV (24 or 16 bit) and FLAC.
For final mix previews MP3 (192 or 320 kbps) to send via email or put on USB stick to play in standalone players or in a car.
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06-13-2020, 07:02 AM
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I would use flac or wavpack more ut There was a performance issue drawing the waveforms when zooming in the peaks. so I keep using wav. or rpp subproject rendering which I don't know which format uses.
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06-13-2020, 07:28 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by heda
I would use flac or wavpack more ut There was a performance issue drawing the waveforms when zooming in the peaks. so I keep using wav. or rpp subproject rendering which I don't know which format uses.
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It's 32FP WAV if I remember correctly.
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06-13-2020, 09:09 AM
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As best I recall, the FLAC format is 24-bit container.
Since I work 32fp throughout my project, the WavPAK is the better option to maintain 32fp with size compression.
FLAC [24] would be used for final distribution [option].
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06-13-2020, 10:59 AM
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Addition regarding Flac:
I remember having noticed a couple of years ago that using Flac files in the project introduced a noticeable lag for starting playback and possibly zooming. Probably, it's a decoding latency introduced by caching? Anyway, that led me to abandon the idea of using Flac as main project format.
However, on project completion I often encode tracks to Flac for archiving purposes.
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06-13-2020, 03:28 PM
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Wav mainly
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06-14-2020, 08:03 AM
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Before I vote, does the result have any consequences for future Reaper development (e.g. the one with fewest votes gets removed or something)?
j/k, voted.
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06-14-2020, 08:20 AM
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Ahh, could vote/tick multiple items
My sample packs is .wav and i rip my CDs to .flac for some reason
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06-14-2020, 08:20 AM
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For normal recording (live or studio) and current projects, wav. The thinking is there's no reason to introduce file compression (lossless obviously) to pester the CPU when there are more important things for it to do.
FLAC is great for archiving. It's not just the consumer playback format of choice. Now FLAC, since it was intended as the modern media player format, doesn't support floating point format files. There's wavpack now but that came along far too late to consider switching anymore.
I'll open an old project that has been FLAC'd in a pinch for a revision and I'm usually none the wiser with no complaints from Reaper. Unless you try seeking around like crazy working on some edit or something. Then you'll get a little GUI lag here and there. I might record live to FLAC for something that A. isn't pushing anything, and B. might have long sections of no signal. FLAC makes zero signal audio nearly zero space.
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06-14-2020, 09:29 AM
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Wav for recording, whatever rate is appropriate. Anything else is just a format of something other than the Reaper project, such as mix or previews or archiving, so I wouldn't call that formats "worked" in, just exported or archived as.
I used to flac projects for archiving but having so much cloud space and large drives for so little $$ I've generally stopped taking that extra step and just zip the project and put it in storage. For my personal projects I may flac them but not otherwise, since that's really up to the "client". They get the project in the same wav state it was for final mix and they can do what they want with it.
Mixes/renders are wavs of whatever they are, ones sent out are mp3 or wav depending. I might use flac for personal listening and archiving of mixes but I learned my lesson sending them to others. Actually, I might try various formats for personal use, just to see what happens, but generally people I send stuff to have no idea what they are much less know how to deal with them or want to. I'm resigned to mp3 for the car and listening to when walking the dog. Listening to the same at home could be flac with VLC player (OS X) like the audience concert recordings that somehow grew like out of control weeds on my drives during the pandemic. But for my own work it pretty much stays wav for that or mp3 for the phone. Flac is great but it's more suited for the 9 hours of mid 70's Todd than what I have that is already wav.
For the outside world it's all wav or mp3, for me same with some use of flac for archives but not recording.
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06-14-2020, 09:17 PM
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I have a lot of content in rx2.
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06-14-2020, 10:25 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by operator
I don´t like aiff because it is not even supported by all the hosts/DAWs but it should be an alternative to wav... (nice try apple)
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They are essentially the same thing, in many cases you can just rename wav to aiff and vice versa.
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06-15-2020, 12:24 AM
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FLAC while working, MP3 only for exporting previews, but I did only tick FLAC, since exporting a final result isn't working with it, right? I am afraid the terminology should be cleared in that case, since I am seeing many MP3 votes already and to me "working" is something different than "exporting". Just to be clear here!
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06-15-2020, 12:51 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tagirijus
FLAC while working, MP3 only for exporting previews, but I did only tick FLAC, since exporting a final result isn't working with it, right? I am afraid the terminology should be cleared in that case, since I am seeing many MP3 votes already and to me "working" is something different than "exporting". Just to be clear here!
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Yeah, I am a little bit surprised at the amount of votes that MP3 is getting.
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06-15-2020, 01:10 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by synkrotron
Yeah, I am a little bit surprised at the amount of votes that MP3 is getting.
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Sending clips for preview/revisions qualifies for "working", in my book. As also does preparing audio for web integration, games and software.
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06-15-2020, 02:25 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Indiscipline
Sending clips for preview/revisions qualifies for "working", in my book. As also does preparing audio for web integration, games and software.
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Not sure, if it interesting in any way, but my view is like this: "working" means "working inside Reaper" here. Everything else is something "after working" / the final result.
Edit: While, tbh, it is not clearly clarified in this thread, hehe. I totally understand other views, ofc!
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06-15-2020, 11:26 AM
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- flac: for (live) recordings (up to 32ch in 48k/24)
- ogg, opus, mp3: for render and distribution (thank you once again for the recent meta-data update )
- wave: during mixing, glueing, etc...
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06-15-2020, 04:59 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by operator
I don´t like aiff because it is not even supported by all the hosts/DAWs but it should be an alternative to wav... (nice try apple)
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Sigh...
Aiff is an Amiga format (iff), adopted by Apple. Besides, it's almost wav (PCM), so supporting it should be a jiffy. MS adopted it later too, but of course they had to change it a bit and give it a new name...
When Apple launched OSX, they changed the bit order to suit the way things are done with Intel processors. But even that shouldn't confuse a real audio editor. Besides, wav files can be odd too, as the standard allows proprietary chunks. These just get ignored by editors that have no idea how to import them.
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06-15-2020, 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Indiscipline
Surprised to see only one vote for Opus (mine).
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It can compress specific sounds, like voice or birdsongs tremendously, given the right settings. It's compression is very fast too. But it is not very well known outside VOIP land.
Is there any support for it outside linux/VOIP in DAWs? I know Audacity supports it, but I don't think fi Soundforge does?
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06-15-2020, 05:26 PM
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No mention of .APE file format ?!?
Back in the early daze, this was a very good lossy.
Back in my archive of Hard Drives ... I've many files in this format.
Curious ... can Reaper load these ?
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06-15-2020, 07:17 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RJHollins
No mention of .APE file format ?!?
Back in the early daze, this was a very good lossy.
Back in my archive of Hard Drives ... I've many files in this format.
Curious ... can Reaper load these ?
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1) .APE ... lossy?? no it's also lossless
2) Reaper does not support .APE (native) since 2012, I think
EDIT:
Yes, I remembered it correctly. Here is a reply by schwa from 2016 with info and workaround:
Thread: Reaper 64 bit - Monkey Audio support .ape
Last edited by akademie; 06-15-2020 at 07:31 PM.
Reason: other thread link
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06-15-2020, 08:18 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by akademie
1) .APE ... lossy?? no it's also lossless
2) Reaper does not support .APE (native) since 2012, I think
EDIT:
Yes, I remembered it correctly. Here is a reply by schwa from 2016 with info and workaround:
Thread: Reaper 64 bit - Monkey Audio support .ape
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ahhh ... thanks for the LOSSLESS correction. [my bad].
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06-15-2020, 08:24 PM
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The main ones WAV, AIFF for lossless and MP3 for compressed.
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