record via asio,can i hear with my comptuer speakers?

[Gaia]

Hi

i have a question , i have setup reaper to record using Asio and my external audio card (dac)

i have some exansive speaker ,i don't want to connect to my dac but i want to keep connected to my computer

in reaper ,in the dac asio driver output i can't select my computer speakers

is there a way to record using asio and hear via my computer speakers?
thanks

[domzy]

sort of, you can only use one driver at a time, so if you use WASAPI or asio4all you will be able to aggregate your devices.

[Gaia]

Originally Posted by domzy

sort of, you can only use one driver at a time, so if you use WASAPI or asio4all you will be able to aggregate your devices.

hi
well so i have to use wasapi to use my speaker connected to my computer
even under mac is it the same?
thanks

[beingmf]

There's neither ASIO nor Wasapi on Mac, just Core Audio. Core Audio should put out sound on the internal speakers AFAIK.

[Gaia]

Originally Posted by beingmf

There's neither ASIO nor Wasapi on Mac, just Core Audio. Core Audio should put out sound on the internal speakers AFAIK.

hi
i got it , i use reaper mostly under windows because it works really great
well i will try wasapi under windows
thanks

[drumphil]

There is no real proper way to do this, because there is no way to transmit wordclock between the different audio devices, so they have no way of staying in sync.

It can sort of work, but it's not recommended.

[domzy]

Originally Posted by Gaia

hi
well so i have to use wasapi to use my speaker connected to my computer
even under mac is it the same?
thanks

No, you could use asio4all instead of WASAPI, and as mentioned above, mac is different.

[cutnpaste]

Originally Posted by Gaia

Hi

i have a question , i have setup reaper to record using Asio and my external audio card (dac)

i have some exansive speaker ,i don't want to connect to my dac but i want to keep connected to my computer

in reaper ,in the dac asio driver output i can't select my computer speakers

is there a way to record using asio and hear via my computer speakers?
thanks

That is no problem at all

[Gaia]

hi

i tried to use my boss gt-100 and a backing track

seems the only way to do it is direct sound option
to listen the backing track and record with my boss gt-100

wasapi doesn't work , or at least i can't let it work

[drumphil]

Why exactly don't you want to connect your speakers to your "dac". If it has inputs and outputs, then it is a ADC/DAC, more commonly known as an audio interface.

What audio interface do you have, and why aren't you using both the inputs and outputs is has?

Why would you want to use the audio interface for input, but use something else for output?

[domzy]

Originally Posted by Gaia

hi

wasapi doesn't work , or at least i can't let it work

what is not working exactly?
what mode are you in?
have you selected your input & output devices correctly?


have you tried asio4all?

[Gaia]

Originally Posted by drumphil

Why exactly don't you want to connect your speakers to your "dac". If it has inputs and outputs, then it is a ADC/DAC, more commonly known as an audio interface.

What audio interface do you have, and why aren't you using both the inputs and outputs is has?

Why would you want to use the audio interface for input, but use something else for output?

Originally Posted by domzy

what is not working exactly?
what mode are you in?
have you selected your input & output devices correctly?


have you tried asio4all?

hi
the boss gt-100 is a multi effect for guitar
and it has its own asio driver
so i can selecect asio
but
if i add a backing track and another track for my guitar , when i play i listen the backing track and my guitar in my guitar amp
i would like listen the backing track on my computer speaker
thanks

[drumphil]

OK, I think I get the problem.

Your GT-100 only allows for one output mix.

So if you use its output, you're going to have to choose between having that output monitored through the amp, or your speakers, or both (by splitting the signal with an analog adapter), but you can't send a different mix to both the amp and your speakers.

There are two ways to do what you want.

Split the output from the GT-100 so that it goes to your amp and into your audio interface (I'm assuming that you aren't calling your GT-100 your audio interface. Exactly what audio interface do you have?). The the amp gets the guitar sound, the audio interface records the guitar sound, and reaper sends the backing track through the outputs of your audio interface and into your speakers.

Or, if your audio interface has multiple outputs, you can run from the GT-100 into reaper, and then send just the guitar input track back out to the amp, and assign the backing tracks to another output that goes to your speakers.


The basic problem is that you want two different signals, one for your amp, and one for the speakers, and your GT-100 doesn't have multiple independent outputs, and you can't solve this by using your computers built in outputs as a second send.

So you either need to split in the analog realm before you get to the computer, or use an audio interface with multiple independent outputs to achieve the split.

Hope that clarifies things a bit.

[Gaia]

Originally Posted by domzy

what is not working exactly?
what mode are you in?
have you selected your input & output devices correctly?


have you tried asio4all?

hi
wasapi gave me the usual error , while studio 4 plus trial work perfecly

why i can use wasapi on reaper ?

[serr]

Originally Posted by Gaia

Hi

i have a question , i have setup reaper to record using Asio and my external audio card (dac)

i have some exansive speaker ,i don't want to connect to my dac but i want to keep connected to my computer

in reaper ,in the dac asio driver output i can't select my computer speakers

is there a way to record using asio and hear via my computer speakers?
thanks

Let me restate that first clearing up some of the terms:

You have two audio interfaces at your disposal. The built-in audio interface that's part of the computer logic board and your external audio interface. (Actually... you called your second interface both a "card" and "external". You might want to clarify which it is.) Anyway though, you have two audio interfaces.

It sounds like you are saying you wish to keep your expensive speakers connected to the built-in audio interface on your computer instead of the external interface that you normally use to record. And then you want to use both at the same time.

The problem you have come upon is how to use two audio interfaces together when you can only select one or the other in your DAW app (Reaper).

You make what's called an aggregate device with your OS audio utility. (This is not done in the DAW app.) Then you select the aggregate device instead of one or the other single devices in Reaper. Use the ASIO utility to do this (or Audio MIDI Setup if a Mac).

There's a second step required here to sync the multiple digital devices to the same sample rate clock. It's a little complicated by the fact that one of these interfaces is built-in to the computer and thus has no clock connections. What usually works is to make the built-in interface clock master and make the external interface clock to the built-in interface over the data connection. This usually works at SD sample rates but often not at HD sample rates.

There are more threads around here to look up regarding aggregate device setups.

[Gaia]

Originally Posted by serr

Let me restate that first clearing up some of the terms:

You have two audio interfaces at your disposal. The built-in audio interface that's part of the computer logic board and your external audio interface. (Actually... you called your second interface both a "card" and "external". You might want to clarify which it is.) Anyway though, you have two audio interfaces.

It sounds like you are saying you wish to keep your expensive speakers connected to the built-in audio interface on your computer instead of the external interface that you normally use to record. And then you want to use both at the same time.

The problem you have come upon is how to use two audio interfaces together when you can only select one or the other in your DAW app (Reaper).

You make what's called an aggregate device with your OS audio utility. (This is not done in the DAW app.) Then you select the aggregate device instead of one or the other single devices in Reaper. Use the ASIO utility to do this (or Audio MIDI Setup if a Mac).

There's a second step required here to sync the multiple digital devices to the same sample rate clock. It's a little complicated by the fact that one of these interfaces is built-in to the computer and thus has no clock connections. What usually works is to make the built-in interface clock master and make the external interface clock to the built-in interface over the data connection. This usually works at SD sample rates but often not at HD sample rates.

There are more threads around here to look up regarding aggregate device setups.

hi
but just have tried the trial version of studio one 4 and it works great via asio and explusive wasapi
can't understand why wasapi doesn't work with reaper
it doesn't why i can' t use wasapi with reaper and with other daw it 's not a issue

thanks

[serr]

Originally Posted by Gaia

hi
but just have tried the trial version of studio one 4 and it works great via asio and explusive wasapi
can't understand why wasapi doesn't work with reaper
it doesn't why i can' t use wasapi with reaper and with other daw it 's not a issue

thanks

There may be a default setting in Studio One that you have to set manually in Reaper? Only a guess.

There are also a couple other workarounds.
Selecting <default audio device> in Reaper uses whatever your OS audio is doing. That's the default selection in Reaper FYI. (Not the first choice for stability, however. Selecting an interface directly is recommended.)
Then there's the "legacy (not recommended)" option to select a 2nd audio interface separately form the main interface selection for a separate output device.

After that if there's something Windows specific, one of the Windows gurus will be more help. (Mac user here.)

But if you're doing aggregate device, manage your sample rate clock connections and settings. That's the bit that often gets overlooked and you'll get shut down just as quickly on a Mac as Windows.

[domzy]

Originally Posted by Gaia

can't understand why wasapi doesn't work with reaper
it doesn't why i can' t use wasapi with reaper and with other daw it 's not a issue

thanks

what is your samplerate in Reaper & what is the samplerate in Windows? Maybe they aren't set to the same?

[drumphil]

Originally Posted by domzy

what is your samplerate in Reaper & what is the samplerate in Windows? Maybe they aren't set to the same?

Or it could be that the GT-100 usb interface and the other interface are set to different sample rates in the windows sound control panel.

I wonder if using exclusive mode rather than shared mode, so that reaper sets the sample rate for the audio interfaces, rather than trying to follow the default format as set in the windows sound control panel, would solve this?

If the other apps that work with this setup use exclusive mode, that might explain why they are working and reaper isn't.

[Gaia]

hi

well i found out
wasapi exclusive works , i had to set the right samplerate
weird i can not rise up as i want
i can't use 48k and 32bit


i guess ableton live and fl studio have their asio interface , and they work as default in the way to listen via speakers always
but their interface was terrible and pricy , while reaper it's amazing and i can afford it
thanks to all , maybe it could usefull for everybody

[drumphil]

You're mixing up mac and pc terminology, an regardless, there is no proper way to make this work effectively.

There's a second step required here to sync the multiple digital devices to the same sample rate clock. It's a little complicated by the fact that one of these interfaces is built-in to the computer and thus has no clock connections. What usually works is to make the built-in interface clock master and make the external interface clock to the built-in interface over the data connection. This usually works at SD sample rates but often not at HD sample rates.

There is no way to do this without some resampling going on, on the fly, and this causes latency. This isn't an issue that works or not depending on sample rates.

over the data connection.

What data connection?

The correct way to do this is to either split the signals in the analog realm where such considerations don't matter, or to use a single audio interface with enough inputs and outputs to allow the splitting to be done inside reaper. Or, if you are going to aggregate audio devices, have a wordclock link between them to keep them in sync without having to use resampling, or use resampling which creates a mixture of latency and fidelity issues.

The wordclock link solution is not possible with the gear he has, and software that is capable of aggregating devices in windows, like ASIO4ALL, has no resampling capabilities to deal with a lack of wordclock transmission between devices.

[Gaia]

hi
just tried Ableton Live and fl studio , and again i can use asio or wasapi without problem

reaper seems to have some issues with wasapi
i guess i will never get it work , wasapi ,input my guitar , output my speaker
even i have watched some videos on youtube and read many threads in this forum

thanks

[drumphil]

Yeah, well, some programs may let you do it the wrong way and not completely fail at the task, but that doesn't mean that you should do it that way.

Have I made any sense to you explaining what the issues are, and why you should split in the analog domain, or use an interface with sufficient I/O channels to split in the digital realm inside reaper?

Short version is:

Stop trying to use two audio interfaces at the same time, and either:

1: Split the signal coming out of your guitar pedal so that it goes to your guitar amp and to your focusrite audio interface at the same time, and tell reaper not to live monitor the guitar input from the focusrite, or:

2: Get an audio interface with more outputs so that you can tell reaper to send just the guitar pedal input to the guitar amp, and send just the backing tracks to your speakers that will be connected to the second set of outputs from your new audio interface that has enough outputs to do what you want.


I'm not sure if there is a language barrier thing going on here, but I'm not sure how much more simply I can explain it.

[Gaia]

Originally Posted by drumphil

Yeah, well, some programs may let you do it the wrong way and not completely fail at the task, but that doesn't mean that you should do it that way.

Have I made any sense to you explaining what the issues are, and why you should split in the analog domain, or use an interface with sufficient I/O channels to split in the digital realm inside reaper?

HI
so in reaper i got always this error "could not find input device"
i won't try to search how to use it
yes i got it , but with others software let me do it
here they are talking about it ,maybe i could try an older version just to give a try
https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=199153
thanks

[serr]

Originally Posted by drumphil

There is no way to do this without some resampling going on, on the fly, and this causes latency. This isn't an issue that works or not depending on sample rates.



What data connection?

It's a little bit of a stretch to make it work.
The data connection is the firewire/USB/TB connection.
There is no word clock connection available for a built-in logic board interface or even a digital audio input to clock from. So strictly speaking, resampling will not work and will lead to dropouts and eventual audio driver crash.

Make the built-in system clock master and make the external audio interface chase that over the data connection. The clock circuits in pro interfaces are made to do this as a feature (for dealing with noisy clock connections in broadcast and such). It will depend on how robust this is in the interface in question.

I can get a stable sync at SD sample rates all day long.
If I try this at 96k with my Apogee Rosetta in aggregate with Soundflower and thus my built-in audio interface, I get a hiccup here and there but mostly hours of uninterrupted home theater use.

Try to make the Apogee master and have the built-in chase it over the data connection? 20 minutes at most before a crash.

[drumphil]

I think you may be misunderstanding what the point of real time resampling is when talking about word clocks.

If you have an old Audigy sound card, which has multiple SPDIF inputs, the SPDIF inputs are resampled on the fly, so it doesn't matter if the clock rate of the individual SPDIF sources vary from each other, or if they vary from the internal clock of the Audigy DSP. There is no data link communicating the wordclock from the sources to the internals of the Audigy DSP. It just gets the resampled input that is now lined up with its own internal clock.

In that sense, digital inputs can be treated like analog inputs, where the differing clocks don't matter, so long as you're prepared to deal with some sort of fidelity or latency (usually a trade off) penalty, which is the cost of the on the fly resampling.

The options are:

The correct way, with wordclock links so everything stays in sync.

No wordclock link, so things glitch after an amount of time.

Or, resampling, which doesn't need a wordclock link, and doesn't glitch, but has a fidelity or latency penalty. This can be done in hardware or software. The hardware solution in the EMU 10k and 20k chips (Soundblaster Live and Audigy) solved this with a low latency but somewhat low fidelity hardware resampling method.


Or at least that's how I understand things.

[Glennbo]

Originally Posted by Gaia

Hi

i have a question , i have setup reaper to record using Asio and my external audio card (dac)

i have some exansive speaker ,i don't want to connect to my dac but i want to keep connected to my computer

in reaper ,in the dac asio driver output i can't select my computer speakers

is there a way to record using asio and hear via my computer speakers?
thanks

I see replies all over the map, but maybe a simple mixer or monitor control switchbox is what you really need.

With a mixer or monitor switchbox you can have both the computer and the external audio device connected to the nice monitors at the same time. When you record in REAPER you hear your external audio device through the speakers and when you mix your project down and play it on the computer, you also hear the computer's audio through the same speakers.

I use a Samson C-Control that has four sets of inputs and have my external audio device in the first set, computer audio in the second set, and an HDTV that is my second video monitor as the third set and all can be playing at the same time through my studio monitors if I want.