Old 09-24-2019, 02:56 PM   #1
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Are Coles 40 billion dollar ribbon mics still made so stupid as to be able to be destroyed by phantom power?
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Old 09-24-2019, 06:55 PM   #2
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I sure hope so. If I buy a Coles I want the risk of it disintegrating in my hands if I look sideways at it.
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Are Coles 40 billion dollar ribbon mics still made so stupid as to be able to be destroyed by phantom power?
I believe most ribbon mics are.....except for those new fangled active ones LOL
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Old 09-24-2019, 07:23 PM   #4
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I think few are actually susceptible if wired properly but that's the concern, the cables etc. they are plugged into. My Royers are wired properly and undamaged by phantom power, but the warning still applies for mis-wired connections. I always quadruple check that phantom is off regardless or put a cloud lifter in between as it will use but completely isolate the mic from the phantom power.
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Wow thats not a bad idea! Just glue it to the mic out
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That fethead looks easier to leave connected or hot glue to the mic, is that one ok too?
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Old 09-25-2019, 12:09 AM   #7
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As far as I know yea.
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Put a transformer in the mic?

If it already has a trannie, don't worry. The ribbon is behind the tranny and it won't get hurt.

It's mostly a non-existent problem, really. Most ribbon mics have either a transformer, or an amplifier in front of the ribbon. I don't know why the internet makes a huge problem out of this, while completely neglecting other things.
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That fethead looks easier to leave connected or hot glue to the mic, is that one ok too?
Yes. I use it regularly. It also works really well for SM57s. The level increase is significant. I bought an Apex 205 because I wanted that old-time radio sound. The Fethead tends to make it sound something like a tube condenser, so it's not quite the AM radio sound I like. However, if you're not looking for that low-fi thing, you'll be more than happy with it.
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The FEThead is high impedance...

Doesn't match well with dynamics, or, even worse, ribbons. For ribbons I'd really want a transformer. It's not much higher in price than a FEThead.
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You want it's input impedance it higher by at least 10 times or it'll load down and cut high-end.
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Yeah, but that thing is in the Mohm range. Some mics definitely sound different. If you're after the vintage sound, loading them down to 5 kohm might fix that. It also adds a tiny bit of noise, of course.

I know it works for both MD21 and MD421.

Why waste the potential gain in a transformer that needs no power, especially if you want a vintage sound?
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Well it's a preamp in reality so I'd think if that happened it wouldn't be able to amplify enough - I know what you are saying though, my ADL600 has an impedance switch specifically for that "vintage too low impeadance sound" and I built a buffer for my guitar that I can use to dial in a similar thing
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If I want the AM radio announcer or Orson Welles thing, I'll just plug straight into my pre73jr and crank it. Sounds great. Really furry. We have lots of clean gain in 24bit anyway.
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There's a very good AM Radio sim, made by Steindork. It's called "AM_Radio_Sim"

https://stash.reaper.fm/v/9490/AM_Radio_Sim.zip

Of course, it's way more than a vintage mic sound. All the typical AM effects included.
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There's a very good AM Radio sim, made by Steindork. It's called "AM_Radio_Sim"

https://stash.reaper.fm/v/9490/AM_Radio_Sim.zip

Of course, it's way more than a vintage mic sound. All the typical AM effects included.
That's very cool. I used to listen to a lot of old-time radio in my teens. I'm talking about radio drama from the 1930s through the 50s. A lot of those artifacts are a result of the direct-to-disc recording techniques. We're not actually hearing what someone would hear on a crystal or tube radio in 1937. But that's off-topic.
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Ollie actually has JS version of an AM simulator in the stash FWIW, it's very good if memory serves.
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I was confused. Seemed to remember it was Schwa. Could Ollie be Steindork?

Unless there's another AM sim on the stash?

And, yes, it is good. Used it for theatre once. And for fun, too
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Good point, I thought it was Ollie but could be wrong.
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Here it is...

https://forum.cockos.com/showthread....light=am+radio
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You're right, it was Ollie, in 2011:

https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=86181

There's another one, Bad connection, By Geraintluff, in 2017:

https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=186554
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Nice find!
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Yes. I use it regularly. It also works really well for SM57s.
You mean SM7s, right?
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You mean SM7s, right?
Nope. The 57 also requires a significant amount of clean gain.
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