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Can anyone point me to any resources that might help me to, erm, practically know what to do with these crazy scales?
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Can anyone point me to any resources that might help me to, erm, practically know what to do with these crazy scales?
You can make music with them!


Some of them are perhaps too far out there to be of much use to
most Westerners, while others can bring something nice&fresh
on your compostion table.

Scales often trigger certain associations - e.g. use melodic [edit: harmonic, not melodic] minor/phrygian dominant to get an instant Latin feel.
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You can make music with them!


Some of them are perhaps too far out there to be of much use to
most Westerners, while others can bring something nice&fresh
on your compostion table.

Scales often trigger certain associations - e.g. use melodic [edit: harmonic, not melodic] minor/phrygian dominant to get an instant Latin feel.


I've always made music with a total lack of any theoretical knowledge, and now I am really struggling to begin to get a grip on what is a vast, vast subject.

How I wish I had paid attention all those years ago in primary school piano lessons.
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Old 03-04-2011, 11:27 AM   #44
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I avoided theory for a long time as well - only when I really felt confident as a composer I started exploring theoretical territories - and perhaps that's not even the worst approach to it all.


Take a C-Major/A-Minor scale and simply replace G by G#, then start tinkering around on these seven notes and you'll realize how and in what way this scale differs from C-Major/A-Minor.
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http://www.teoria.com/tutorials/index.htm
http://www.musictheory.net/
These might help.
Just play with the scales and have fun, you don't have to know how they work, but it does help.
Try - Melody in Songwriting by Berklee Press.
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Thanks chaps.
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Old 03-04-2011, 12:32 PM   #47
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scales missing

C Jewish (Adonai Malakh)

intervals: 1,b2,2,b3,4,5,6,b7
half-steps: 1-1-1-2-2-2-1-2
notes: C,Db,D,Eb,F,G,A,Bb

C Jewish (Ahaba Rabba)
intervals: 1,b2,3,4,5,b6,b7
half-steps: 1-3-1-2-1-2-2
notes: C,Db,E,F,G,Ab,Bb

could be called something else though!
wonder if you would re-write those in the rescale format?
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Default great learning tool

you can for example maybe record a simple chord sequence or just some pedal tones on one track and then load a scale into the midi editor and improvise over that with different scales and see what flavours emerge!
The Jewish scales I have used quite a bit when our band played some Klezmer toons a while back,,i like them and they often sound similar to the some Persian scales.I those Eastern type scales.Some of the Indian scales are also great there is one that has a chromatic Blues feel to it and is great combined WITH the Blues scale.I´ll try and find the name of that one.Its a great scale cause its symmetrical and you can play it real fast!

here it is,,,

C Mela Bhavapriya
intervals: 1,b2,2,4,5,#5,6
half-steps: 1-1-3-2-1-1-3
notes: C,Db,D,F,G,G#,A

another with that chromatic Blues feel.

C Mela Chalanata
intervals: 1,#2,3,4,5,#6,7
half-steps: 3-1-1-2-3-1-1
notes: C,D#,E,F,G,A#,B
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Sorry if this has been pointed out already.

..but are all these scales supposed to fit in our 12 note (tempered) scale?

I assumed many of them would have completely different temperaments.

I suppose the only way to accommodate this would be to have matching tuning files for the synth/destination instrument.
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That's a great question Kearley.
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Sorry if this has been pointed out already.

..but are all these scales supposed to fit in our 12 note (tempered) scale?

I assumed many of them would have completely different temperaments.

I suppose the only way to accommodate this would be to have matching tuning files for the synth/destination instrument.
A few of them do, but most of them dont.
However, they are "best attempts" to fit them to ET.

eg those Raga's wont sound exact, but they will sound "fairly" close.
As close as ET will allow.



zappa, you have made a GIGANTIC effort to include all these scales.
Awesome stuff
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Thanks. Glad you like them.
I'm now working on a few more chords.
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Can anyone point me to any resources that might help me to, erm, practically know what to do with these crazy scales?
Best possible primer on the subject of scales and modes:

https://www.youtube.com/view_play_lis...1711B664711DFC

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Is there any practical use for the scales files for those that do not enter notes (or edit them) using the mouse?
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If you're just recording and you don't edit with the mouse there's no practical use for the piano roll editor.
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Yes, of course - it shows you the scales - it's a whole library
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Yes, of course - it shows you the scales

Indeed! been having loads of fun!!

my new game is "play what you see"


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If you're just recording and you don't edit with the mouse there's no practical use for the piano roll editor.
Unless the devs can work out a way to make the actual keyboard mute on notes not in that scale so we can just get our cats and some cat nip, press record and then chuck them on the keyboard and watch as the best solo ever gets recorded down! lol
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Unless the devs can work out a way to make the actual keyboard mute on notes not in that scale so we can just get our cats and some cat nip, press record and then chuck them on the keyboard and watch as the best solo ever gets recorded down! lol
Yep .... with this option set, i could literally play clusters via whacking the keys with a large marital aid, and the solo would still be in key.

Guitarists such as myself need this option.

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Best possible primer on the subject of scales and modes:

https://www.youtube.com/view_play_lis...1711B664711DFC

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I just watched the first one. That is fantastic. Thanks for sharing.
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Yep .... with this option set, i could literally play clusters via whacking the keys with a large marital aid, and the solo would still be in key.

Guitarists such as myself need this option.

May I point out again, go here and get the XY-Midi Filter
load it as an input fx and get your catnip...

OH clk the "?" in upper rt corner of the fx to see the little help page. And... save your presets!

http://www.xoechz.at/
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I just watched the first one. That is fantastic. Thanks for sharing.
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May I point out again, go here and get the XY-Midi Filter
load it as an input fx and get your catnip...
This functionality should really be built into Reaper to complement the scale function imo.
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May I point out again, go here and get the XY-Midi Filter
load it as an input fx and get your catnip...

OH clk the "?" in upper rt corner of the fx to see the little help page. And... save your presets!

http://www.xoechz.at/
thanks for the cat free version! will try it out!
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thanks for the cat free version! will try it out!
+1

would also like to see a native version integrated to the current scales in the ME

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I do not prefer naming the scales as conviniently shown but anyway well done for the efforts involved in doing all these.
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Might be a silly question but here goes....

What is this for? How is it used?

This would be amazing if I could write a melody using say the regular old major scale, and then choose one of the scales in this ReaScale thing and have my original melody transposed to the new scale. It could be a nice way of generating fresh melodic ideas. Is this what it's for?

I'm very new to Reaper so please school me!

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Might be a silly question but here goes....

What is this for? How is it used?

This would be amazing if I could write a melody using say the regular old major scale, and then choose one of the scales in this ReaScale thing and have my original melody transposed to the new scale. It could be a nice way of generating fresh melodic ideas. Is this what it's for?

I'm very new to Reaper so please school me!

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You can do this yes, look in the midi actions for the "transpose" action then assign it to a new toolbar icon in the midi editor, let's you change the scale and key
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May I point out again, go here and get the XY-Midi Filter
load it as an input fx and get your catnip...

OH clk the "?" in upper rt corner of the fx to see the little help page. And... save your presets!

http://www.xoechz.at/
This is great ...... thank you Hopi
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Hard to read....it says:

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"So! Clarence Diggs! I thought it was you!.. Never learned your scales or modes, did you young man? Just screwed around in class, as I recall! NOW look at you, you tone deaf little weasel!.. Ha ha ha ha ha!
What's that chord you're butchering?"

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Yes, of course - it shows you the scales - it's a whole library
full of scale charts.
Right...
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this is awesome - also would be cool with a configurable fretboard layout lighting up the notes ala guitarpro -
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Default Ive knocked a little ditty together using the inastantarpeggios

using the instant arpeggios,just mucking around,try and post it tomorrow.

They definitely can be used for certain stuff,,with some time patience you could come up with something real good and humanly impossible to play.
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this thing is a must have for ignorant musician like me!

EDIT: i was actually thinking about actions like "insert chord" by Aeolian!
here you can find what i was talkin about http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...6&postcount=48
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Thanks, Dave!

<ponders whether some quick Jesusonic hack could use these files for on-the-fly MIDI note replacement, enabling us to play in all these scales live (well, that is, with a buffer's worth of latency) and record it into Reaper... and wishes in vain there was a Max for Reaper :P >
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Looking at (in the Complete .reascale file) :
Code:
	Chromatic TriMirror	122000000000
	Chromatic TriMirror	112000000000
	Do Re Mi 			102030000000
	Flat 6 and 7		100000000077
	Major Flat 6			100030006000 
	...
	Sanagari 1			100004000070
	Sanagari 2			100004000060
Each non-zero digit indicates the note name (C D E F G A B) used for that note.
The positions of each non-zero digit indicates its name from the 12-tone scales
(C C# D D# E F F# G G# A A# B) or (C Db D Eb E F Gb G Ab A Bb B)

So the difference between the first two example scales is that one would be annotated C Db D and the other C C# D.

Flat 6 and 7 - has the notes named C, B and B. I think that this should be titled "Flat 7 and 7" (C Bb B)

Sanagari 1 is C F Bb and Sanagari 2 is C F A#

Have I understood correctly?
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Yes to all.
I can only plead insanity after staring at all those files and numbers for days on end, or maybe the error was in the original file.
I have an Excel file of all this, if it helps.
Looking forward to seeing what you are cooking up.
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No problem - I only spotted it while I was working out the significance of the coding scheme, including the apparent duplications.
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Sorry if this has been pointed out already.

..but are all these scales supposed to fit in our 12 note (tempered) scale?

I assumed many of them would have completely different temperaments.

I suppose the only way to accommodate this would be to have matching tuning files for the synth/destination instrument.

For those who are interested in alternate MIDI tunings, I recommend checking out CSE (Custom Scale Editor) here:

http://www.h-pi.com/downloads.html

When working with alternate temperaments, I generally tune things on the sampler/synthesizer level, but Reaper's flexibility makes it easier for MIDI mapping and composing. It's therefore possible to explore custom scales and tuning schemes at the same time, although I would ultimately like better multi-octave custom scale functionality like others in this thread.

If interested, here's a link to where I've shared my temperament presets, including the customized Reaper MIDI note names:

http://curtismacdonald.com/lo-shu-or...ity-templates/
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