Old 04-19-2012, 02:39 PM   #1
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Default I FREAKIN FOUND THE HUI DOCS!!!!!

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Im probably the only one here that cares^^,,but after a 5 year search, a kind gent named theageman has done it! The most complete ,accurate, beautiful txt files i have ever seen!
Here they are^^

https://stash.reaper.fm/12332/HUI.pdf

https://stash.reaper.fm/12333/HUI_CSET.txt

https://stash.reaper.fm/12334/HUIREFRX.txt

https://stash.reaper.fm/12335/HUIREFRX.txt

https://stash.reaper.fm/12336/HUIREFTX.txt

https://stash.reaper.fm/12337/HUIZONES.txt

And here is where I got them from...BIG THANKS and eternal gratitude^^ to the ageman!!

http://www.ssei-online.de/cms/?q=en/node/36

Now maybe someone at Cockos could finish the Csurf..or let me do it by just making a Reaper osc to midi convertor and Ill take care of all the conversions myself and release it for everyone. PLZ!! Ive waited so long..and tired of depending on the kindness of strangers!^^Im begging..Justin...Shwa..plzzzzzzzz Lou..in a Ted Knight voice^^

EDIT...On second thought I would prefer the osc to midi convertor option. I now have split my hui into 3 different MIDI zones. The faders and bank sel..pan... select..solo /mute...are all done by the Reaper HUI Csurf with full bidirectional communication. The buttons on the right..there's 56 of them..I grab out of the midi stream by the messages they send and convert them to key commands using bomes midi translator pro. Until BMTP me and just about everyone else {that didn't have native hui support in their daw} couldnt even use their daws learn function.
The third and the "zone" I am having all the trouble with is the displays on my board..one a 2*40 character text display..and a smpte/bars beats 7 segment display. My issue is that I cant get osc..what looks like the Reaper standard for what Reaper will SEND OUT....into midi so i can then covert those midi messages into what the displays expect. phew!!! And this way it would benefit many more ppl.

HELP

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Old 04-19-2012, 03:21 PM   #2
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Awesome, thanks Guido. I hope this leads to something good.
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Old 04-19-2012, 04:25 PM   #3
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Awesome, thanks Guido. I hope this leads to something good.
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Thx Mr Hughes..me too!!
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Nice one Guido! Downloaded, and I'll sure have a good look at it - it seems all plain MIDI (SysEx) at first sight. I bet we can do a OSC <--> HUI patch. But I also bet this is still going to be a lot more complicated than wrapping your head around OSC.

Too bad I don't have such a device to play with. Explain again please, is there anything possibly interesting about this protocol for those who don't own a specific (expensive) device?

PS: looks like you posted two identical copies of the file HUIREFRX.txt, and forgot HUICSET2.txt.
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Old 04-19-2012, 09:08 PM   #5
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Nice one Guido! Downloaded, and I'll sure have a good look at it - it seems all plain MIDI (SysEx) at first sight. I bet we can do a OSC <--> HUI patch. But I also bet this is still going to be a lot more complicated than wrapping your head around OSC.

Too bad I don't have such a device to play with. Explain again please, is there anything possibly interesting about this protocol for those who don't own a specific (expensive) device?

PS: looks like you posted two identical copies of the file HUIREFRX.txt, and forgot HUICSET2.txt.
Hi banned,

Thx for spotting that.sry.And thx for havin a look at the docs.

Any message they use over 3 bytes is sysex..but they use a lot of double 3 byte messages. For ex. button presses/releases are 2..3byte midi messages.Its all midi.

In my op in the edit i describe what i think is the ticket for me. I let the Reaper Csurf handle the basics...my preset for bomes midi translator does all the buttons via Reapers action learn window..all this is covered now. But its just the display. The relevant information in detail is on pages 4-7 on the HUI/pdf.

As far as who would be interested....any one that has a controler that was designed to work with protools. That would include a lot of not NOW so expensive midi controllers. Especialy with the way avid has made them obsolete for current PT {if Im not mistaken} bu dropping hui support. Any HUI speaking controller. And this is old stuff man!the REAL hardware Mackie HUI..the grand father of all daw controllers..came out in 97! these controllers used to be expensive.

There's even a guy who first posted here looking for mackie info a while ago named khorus who has done a mod that he sells.that..get this..takes the old Mackie d8b digital board..came out in 2000 i believe..., and turns it into 25 faders of full mcu ..meters and everything! It no longer functions as a digital audio console..no audio in out..just 3 mcus's! for the price of 1 used d8b. about $1400 including his mod. Now this does nothing for me because the protocol is mcu,but i use it to say ...cut the reverse gear snobbery!^^^^joking I will compile and post some more info in a moment....

thanks also for all the helpful advice uve been giving..thx

Guido

EDIT I have a working mackie d8b digital board. In Version 5 software they added a HUI emulation layer.Just thought my post sounded confusing. I will post some links in a meoment..again thx..

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[...] I let the Reaper Csurf handle the basics...my preset for bomes midi translator does all the buttons via Reapers action learn window..all this is covered now. But its just the display. [...]
That concept seems fundamentally flawed to me. If you need something besides BMT to handle the display, and need to use MIDI (SysEx) for it (as you seem to do), then I suggest ditching BMT completely. It's way too kludgy to use two separate processes to handle a part of the MIDI stream / device. And the same probably goes for the Csurf plugin. I suggest picking *one* tool/platform to handle the entire problem.

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As far as who would be interested....any one that has a controler that was designed to work with protools. [...] these controllers used to be expensive. [...] just 3 mcus's! for the price of 1 used d8b. about $1400 including his mod. [...]
I may be wrong, but none of this sounds interesting to me yet, actually. Avid, ProTools, Mackie, MCU, HUI: to me they're more like swear words than anything to get excited about. "Incredibly expensive stuff that still doesn't work right - while my cheap ass gear works perfectly" is all I keep thinking. I'm still not hearing anything that I couldn't do *much* cheaper than $1400. Am I wrong? Seriously, I want to find out what it is that makes people pay so much money. Meters? VCA groups? Parameter feedback? Automapping? (Check, check, check, check... REAPER+OSC is pretty neat, I tell ya. )
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Old 04-19-2012, 10:13 PM   #7
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Hi,

Here are some links to my board..the d8b..and the original unit..the HUI hardware unit...that first implemented the HUI protocol.

http://www.mackie.com/products/d8b_v5/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfddVVIxDnE

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=mackie+hui

http://www.bluaudio.org/d8bridge/info.html#whatis

that last one is superbad! If my mixer ever fails im going to do it!

Thx for ur interest banned,

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As far as who would be interested....any one that has a controler that was designed to work with protools. That would include a lot of not NOW so expensive midi controllers. Especialy with the way avid has made them obsolete for current PT {if Im not mistaken} bu dropping hui support. Any HUI speaking controller. And this is old stuff man!the REAL hardware Mackie HUI..the grand father of all daw controllers..came out in 97! these controllers used to be expensive.
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I'll probably buy the Yamaha 01v96i. read somewhere that people are having difficulties using it as a control surface in Reaper, just downloaded the manual today and found that it should definitively work fully in ProTools. I use ProTools 11 since AVID FINALLY "came to their senses" and re built the damn thing so these days it's not only 64 bit but it also actually handles my virtual instrument workflow quite a bit better than Reaper. This is of course thanks to the DUAL audio engines and AAX plugs. This won't matter (I THINK) after I got my HP Z640 because it has TWO XEON 6 core CPU's 16 GB ECC (?, Error correcting) RAM (thinking of getting 32GB). I miss working with Reaper on my current system and I've spend the past Two years building my (Huge) Project Studio template with 16 MIDI, Mic, Guitar, Headphone, Effects tracks VCA's etc, etc some of them setup with the Rea surround plugin in 7.1.. (forget the AVID $5K PT HD with 5.1, right?)

My upcoming BorsingStudios project (No NOT Alan Parson) will be made mainly with Virtual Instruments, Native's Kontrol 61 keyboard, Komplete 10 Ultimate and a few other Gold nuggets. I shall mix it on the Z860), so it would be nice if I could use the Yamaha 01v96's surface. My music, released online as I go and when enough materials have been produced, released on CD and/or DVD in it's higher quality (48) together with Aerial 4K footage and perhaps some footage from inside my Project studio such as a tour, perhaps scenes of how I put the film together with the 3D effects etc.

I use Sony Vegas 14 Suite (Know what some are thinking), which proved to be the most stable Vegas version yet (believe me I've struggled with those past versions), The suite comes bundled with HitFilm 3 Pro, which now is somewhat "integrated" within Vegas Pro 13 Suite.. I'm loving it but a few days ago I discovered a water pipe leak which needs to be fixed since it's the same room we reserved for the project studio..

P.S. If you scroll down http://borsingstudios.com/media.htm you'll find my latest training project (next to Thor's Hammer), which is a piece by Vangelis called "Memories of Green". It's NOT me playing it (started programming it before I found the MIDI file) but it IS my Komplete instrument collection, PT-11 mix etc. And yes I will be able to PLAY it on an actual keyboard one day. Know that I've recently begun playing again after not having touched an instrument for almost 20 years besides there's some "musical notes" and "cover's I did play, if not completely at least partially.. Enough bragging, Sir Carl out (man I need to get out more)..
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[...] one a 2*40 character text display..and a smpte/bars beats 7 segment display. [...]
What should be on them? *Exactly* (digit by digit! ) ?
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Hi, I am new here and I'm pretty sure that I'm posting in the wrong thread, but I'll try my luck. I'm a total noob to the MIDI/HUI etc. stuff. I am looking for information how to connect multiple MIDI devices to make my DAW see it as one controller. The gear I mean is Icon Qcon Pro and Icon Qcon Ex. I would like to group them into one virtual controller. The reason I want to do that is my Qcon Pro can't send a information to my Qcon Ex (for example when I hit the send button my pots on the Qcon Pro change to send mode, but on my EX are still in the Pan mode). I've found out that making DAW see those controllers as ONE unit will solve the problem, but I don't have an idea how to do it. Maybe someone here is able to help?

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Hi,

Im probably the only one here that cares^^,,but after a 5 year search, a kind gent named theageman has done it! The most complete ,accurate, beautiful txt files i have ever seen!
Here they are^^

https://stash.reaper.fm/12332/HUI.pdf

https://stash.reaper.fm/12333/HUI_CSET.txt

https://stash.reaper.fm/12334/HUIREFRX.txt

https://stash.reaper.fm/12335/HUIREFRX.txt

https://stash.reaper.fm/12336/HUIREFTX.txt

https://stash.reaper.fm/12337/HUIZONES.txt

And here is where I got them from...BIG THANKS and eternal gratitude^^ to the ageman!!

http://www.ssei-online.de/cms/?q=en/node/36

Now maybe someone at Cockos could finish the Csurf..or let me do it by just making a Reaper osc to midi convertor and Ill take care of all the conversions myself and release it for everyone. PLZ!! Ive waited so long..and tired of depending on the kindness of strangers!^^Im begging..Justin...Shwa..plzzzzzzzz Lou..in a Ted Knight voice^^

EDIT...On second thought I would prefer the osc to midi convertor option. I now have split my hui into 3 different MIDI zones. The faders and bank sel..pan... select..solo /mute...are all done by the Reaper HUI Csurf with full bidirectional communication. The buttons on the right..there's 56 of them..I grab out of the midi stream by the messages they send and convert them to key commands using bomes midi translator pro. Until BMTP me and just about everyone else {that didn't have native hui support in their daw} couldnt even use their daws learn function.
The third and the "zone" I am having all the trouble with is the displays on my board..one a 2*40 character text display..and a smpte/bars beats 7 segment display. My issue is that I cant get osc..what looks like the Reaper standard for what Reaper will SEND OUT....into midi so i can then covert those midi messages into what the displays expect. phew!!! And this way it would benefit many more ppl.

HELP

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